Depending on a Supreme Court ruling next year, the Pledge could be banned from public schools.
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nem-x Model 2000 was programmed to say:
We only said the pledge in elementary, and I didn't really care for it.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Cuba:
If they got rid of the "under God" bit I'm sure everything would be fine.
Accually, the religious right would be up in arms
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Hello Cuthy wrote this stupid crap:
I just sit there during the pledge, I find it annoying that I have to pledge my loyalty to a county run by an idiot drunkard.
Quasi-idiot former drunkard, thank you.
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Check out the big brain on Hello Cuthy!
I just sit there during the pledge, I find it annoying that I have to pledge my loyalty to a county run by an idiot drunkard.
You live in Canada?
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Zair wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Accually, the religious right would be up in arms
Eh, fuck 'em. It's not like it was part of the original pledge or anything.
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Hello Cuthy spewed forth this undeniable truth:
I just sit there during the pledge, I find it annoying that I have to pledge my loyalty to a county run by an idiot drunkard.
Give him some credit. He hasn't been a drunkard since his forties
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
You live in Canada?
Do they recite the US Pledge in Canada?
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Nobody really understood why Zair wrote:
Give him some credit. He hasn't been a drunkard since his forties
... The brain damage is still there.
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JooJooFlop's account was hax0red to write:
If they got rid of the "under God" bit I'm sure everything would be fine.
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Hello Cuthy had this to say about (_|_):
I just sit there during the pledge, I find it annoying that I have to pledge my loyalty to a county run by an idiot drunkard.
Morons like you shouldn't even have rights.
It's one thing to disagree with the leaders, it's another to disrespect the country completely. [ 10-14-2003: Message edited by: Oscar 3/Xray 1 ]
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Oscar 3/Xray 1 had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Morons like you shouldn't even have rights.
Pft, like the government couldn't just come and arrest me and say I had illegal software on my computer, or that I hacked some government computer. It would take them a whole 2 seconds to upload a log file that says I did onto my computer. We have no more freedom in this country that the government couldn't take away unless you live in a cabin in the woods.
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So quoth Hello Cuthy:
Pft, like the government couldn't just come and arrest me and say I had illegal software on my computer, or that I hacked some government computer. It would take them a whole 2 seconds to upload a log file that says I did onto my computer. We have no more freedom in this country that the government couldn't take away unless you live in a cabin in the woods.
Helloooo angst coupled with complete ignorance
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Hello Cuthy obviously shouldn't have said:
Pft, like the government couldn't just come and arrest me and say I had illegal software on my computer, or that I hacked some government computer. It would take them a whole 2 seconds to upload a log file that says I did onto my computer. We have no more freedom in this country that the government couldn't take away unless you live in a cabin in the woods.
no, the government has to behave itself. It CAN'T just go about randomly locking up dissidents and idiots like you without reason. And do you know why? Because the smart folks that set up your country made it so. It ensured that a halfway-decent citizenry would be able to overthrow the government if it ever got uppity and tyrannical.
If the US government decided to throw citizen's rights out the window, you'd have a VERY angry, VERY armed citizaenry demanding that they be restored.
That said, you have every right to dislike your country of residence and citizenship, but you have no right not to respect it. If you don't want to respect it, find someplace else to go.
And about the Canada crack, yes, Jean Chretien is an idiot, but it could be worse. And now it looks like we'll be having a new leader in Paul Martin, and hopefully things will pick up a little.
No, Really. Bite me.
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Hello Cuthy enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Pft, like the government couldn't just come and arrest me and say I had illegal software on my computer, or that I hacked some government computer.
Why would they want to?
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Burger Model 2000 was programmed to say:
If the US government decided to throw citizen's rights out the window, you'd have a VERY angry, VERY armed citizaenry demanding that they be restored.
Like the general populace would stand a chance against our military. A revolt would be ill fated at best unless it involved a coup of some sort.
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Naimah stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Like the general populace would stand a chance against our military. A revolt would be ill fated at best unless it involved a coup of some sort.
Like someone mentioned in that gun thread, it is likely that a portion of the military would join in on any large scale revolt, while another portion would remain loyal.
(There is no difference between PC's and Liberal's)
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Naimah had this to say about dark elf butts:
Like the general populace would stand a chance against our military. A revolt would be ill fated at best unless it involved a coup of some sort.
That's the beauty of it. If the government ever got too aggressive, they wouldn't get the full support of the military.
Of course, it comes down to a situation of consequences for anyone in that position. Every individual would have to determine if the consequences of a revolt would be outweighed by the "reward".
Zair already said it, though. [ 10-14-2003: Message edited by: Oscar 3/Xray 1 ]
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Zair had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Like someone mentioned in that gun thread, it is likely that a portion of the military would join in on any large scale revolt, while another portion would remain loyal.
Well using that logic it stands to reason that there would be loyalists as well. I think that it would come down to which side the military decided to be on.
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That's the beauty of it. If the government ever got too aggressive, they wouldn't get the full support of the military.
The military would go along with it as long as they got funding. [ 10-14-2003: Message edited by: Naimah ]
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Naimah had this to say about dark elf butts:
Well using that logic it stands to reason that there would be loyalists as well. I think that it would come down to which side the military decided to be on.
There wouldn't be many loyalists if the government was to get oppressive enough to do something like plant artificial logs on some random schmoe's computer just so they could arrest him for the hell of it.
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And to respond to your edit: people aren't in the military for the pay. The higher positions would be the ones where that would come into play, but pilots are useless without mechanics.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Naimah was all like:
The military would go along with it as long as they got funding.
I think you're ignoring the fact that the average soldier in the US Armed Forces is not a conscripted shock trooper or a brainwashed SS thug, but rather is a normal American kid trying to pay his way through college.
Ask an average American soldier or, hell, thousands of them, what they would do if they were ordered to fire upon a group of US citizens, and you'll see what the difference is.
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Squier had this to say about (_|_):
I think you're ignoring the fact that the average soldier in the US Armed Forces is not a conscripted shock trooper or a brainwashed SS thug, but rather is a normal American kid trying to pay his way through college.Ask an average American soldier or, hell, thousands of them, what they would do if they were ordered to fire upon a group of US citizens, and you'll see what the difference is.
That makes me think of The Stand, which is a good book
The heart of our system is that people can choose to say what they wish to say, be party to what they wish, what politics they wish, and are not required to maintain any political allegiance or respect. Especially in a case such as now, when there is an enormous liberal movement subjugated by a conservative majority in both of the houses. And while the intelligent majority may have been the ones to draft the constitution, that was many years ago. And the government does have the rights to amend the constitution, obviously, to violate citizen's rights.
Now why, you may ask yourself, would the U.S. citizenry not rise in arms, which we have guaranteed by the 2nd amendment. This is pretty obvious. The government, has at it's disposal, an extremely high tech military with some of the most advanced ways of war known to man. Many people like to believe that a situation similar to the guerilla battle of Vietnam would occur should we ever be subjected under despotical rule, however, this is most unlikely, due to the fact that the vietnamieze had been fighting for many, many years, and were not in the lethargic and apathetic state that the majority of the United States is in now. A minor rebellion that would be easily crushed is of the highest possibility.
And perhaps you should be less naive about modern tracking procedures. A civilian now can get a cell phone tracker. Think of how long the government has had these available. The very angry, very armed citizenry has been pacified and domesticated from it's fiery passion by strong government measures. You had better believe it, if big brother wants to watch you, he will. So, it would be much easier for a subtle government to restrict the inalienable rights. Think of the story of a frog in a water pot on the stove.
Most certainly I love the idel of the United States - a place free from tyranny and with all inalieable rights and freedoms and a guarantee of equality to all. However, i will not give my respect to a place that lives with an ideal that is run by people with no interest in pursuing it.
I still say the pledge despite the fact that I don't agree with having the words "under God" in it, and even though no one else in my homeroom class says it.
Why wouldn't I?
Come on, call me a liberal. I dare you.
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Hello Cuthy Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Pft, like the government couldn't just come and arrest me and say I had illegal software on my computer,
I'm sure you do
Not that I'm personally against some forms of Socialism myself, it's just the people who are usually yelling the loudest in support of the pledge are usually the most against any hint of Socialism.
Heh, that'd actually be pretty cool. 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Burger scribbled:
no, the government has to behave itself. It CAN'T just go about randomly locking up dissidents and idiots like you without reason. And do you know why? Because the smart folks that set up your country made it so. It ensured that a halfway-decent citizenry would be able to overthrow the government if it ever got uppity and tyrannical.If the US government decided to throw citizen's rights out the window, you'd have a VERY angry, VERY armed citizaenry demanding that they be restored.
Right, like they did when the Patriot Act was passed, which allows the government to lock up dissidents without reason and to hold them indefinately without charges or appeal.
...oh wait...
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Drysart said:
Right, like they did when the Patriot Act was passed, which allows the government to lock up dissidents without reason and to hold them indefinately without charges or appeal.
...oh wait...
I was planning on it, but I left my guns in my other pants.
I hate it when that happens.
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Koosh Man thought about the meaning of life:
I was planning on it, but I left my guns in my other pants.
What, do you wear more than one pair of pants a week?
It's not something people hear about.
I think that public schools funded by the government should be allowed to say the pledge of allegiance in schools, so long as the people in the schools are allowed to not say it. For one thing, there's kids in American public schools who aren't American. Some are with parents on extended visas, etc. Plus it's a Freedom of Speech matter.
As for the "under God" thing, I think there's two real issues, and resolving either of the issues results in either kicking the pledge out of schools altogether or changing the wording.
First off, there's the separation of Church and State. And yeah people will point out that you see God references everywhere. That's unfortunate. Personally I think that federally funded articles (money, for instance) should say something like "In The Republic We Trust" rather than "In God We Trust", etc. Leaving the pledge as it is doesn't allow for much argument that we are separating Church and State. I've said it before...people should be able to govern without religion, because Religion tends to be unbending and politics cannot afford to be. On the other hand, people need religion to have a certain degree of stable morality.
Solution? Either change the line or remove the pledge. I'm more apt to change the line.
The other big issue is that it's singling out the Judeo-Christian deity (yes it does; in the English language, God with a capital G denotes the Christian all-powerful deity; whether theologically speaking it's the same entity as Allah is irrelevant, as Allah's followers refer to their deity by their own specified term) as the one that good wholesome Americans worship. Officially endorsing one deity more or less flies in the face of the idea that all the gods are okay to worship in the USA. Imagine it said "One nation, under Odin, with liberty and justice for all". People would be miffed. But by our charter, in the eyes of the government Odin is just as acceptable as God.
Solution? Either leave the "under God" section out entirely, or change it to be "under gods" (note the plural form, and the lower-case G, denoting all deities).
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