Should I go with a Warrior for the better DPS and AC/HP, or a Shadow Knight for the extra utility and better aggro keeping capabilities?
I was leaning towards Shadow Knight since I would mostly be playing in group situations and not raiding with it so the ability to keep aggro anytime I want would be nice, but on the other hand... I'm a lazy bastard and the Warrior already has a 30 level head start! 
And anyone got any ideas for some good non-Luclin/YoK spots to get to 55 easy? I plan on getting Luclin sometime in the future, but that account is missing it for now.
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But you probably hate frogs. 
Oh and SK dps is better than warrior dps
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Verily, Kildace doth proclaim:
Oh and SK dps is better than warrior dps
Not when your SKs weapon is.. A BONE HILTED SCIMITAR!
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Shazorx / Modrakien stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
For groups with no raiding equipment go SK, a warrior in bazaar / group obtainable gear won't do you much good, also with an SK you can split pull almost anything a monk can, can act as snarer in groups, maintain agro better and deal damage relatively close to an equally geared warrior.
You fuckers aren't helping. I just wanted an excuse to not do levels 1-43 again for my Shadow Knight.
Warriors are useless in PoP. (Exp game, that is)
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SK.Warriors are useless in PoP. (Exp game, that is)
I wouldn't go that far, I group regularly with a friend of mine I used to go to school with (warrior, top end gear, all important to a warrior AA maxed) and he has no problem tanking or dealing damage with a BoW. Of course our groups are very well equipped so someone taking a round or two on inc while he grabs agro isn't that much of a deal. On the whole SKs are better yes, but warriors are far from useless, just not as good.
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So, be a SK, and make sure to be a DE in hot pink armor ()
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Shadow Knights have more fun.
Damn right.
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If I were only looking to fool around for a week I'd play DAoC.
SKs > Paladins > Warriors
... as a personal preference "tanking list" for regular exp groups, especially in PoP. Granted, I find that any tank, regardless of class, that tends to hold aggro the best is the one that are usually the best-dressed in the group (if the group happens to have more than one tanking class)... But, on calling all the shots even, I'd say SK is the best at for exp groups, while I prefer a Warrior for raiding. (Who needs Paladins!! ;P Just kidding!)
But hell, from a Rogue's point of view: As long someone else is getting hit, I don't care who tanks!
Should've said something, but I've said it enough
By the way my words were faded
Rather waste some time with you...
ya SKs can keep and get aggro better, get groups better, do more DPS, have more utility to the group, and can pull better, but Warriors still are fine. You just have to like, not be a dumbass and start hurling your heavy aggro spells as soon as the mob is pulled and be prepared to get a little mob loving if you have to.
Anyways, for leveling without Luclin i'd recomend, 1-10 Field of Bone, 10-20 Kurn's Tower, 20-30 somewhere i dunno....i useually do Paludal/Marus Seru so i can't help there sorry, 30-40 Overthere, 40-52 DL/KC, 52-65 Planar.
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I group regularly with a warrior guildie (lv 63), and will always defer MT to him. Tier 2 mobs tear me to shreds at 62, even slowed.. and I have a buffed ac and hps of 1250/5k+. If the slow doesnt land, I have to FD and pray it works in time for a heal to go off. I prefer not to be MT. It gives me a chance to do what i do best, dish out damage. If I accidentially get aggro? FD drop, wait a few, back into the fray. Besides, my DPS goes down bigtime when im tanking, because of all the fun parryparryblockblockriposte fun I have to deal with.
Thats my take on it. Warriors are there to take the damage, I'm there to dish it out.
edit: SK's can get groups better? what servers does this take place on? On Quellious I can't get a pickup group to save my life. Couldnt at 50, or at 55, or now at 62. I group exclusively with guildmates for that reason. [ 09-04-2003: Message edited by: KaLourin ]
but at 54, I can take and keep aggro from a SK at 63 any time I want to. In Veskar the other night, for an example, the SK unloaded 11 snares on the mob. I was attacking, not taunting. Punched taunt once. Bam. Had aggro for the rest of the fight.
I haven't been working on AAs other than run speed and sta (3/1, respectively), but I do my damnedest to keep myself equiped with the best weapons I can find. Yet I still regularly wind up being main tank for my guild (most of whom are near 65), even when it was someone else's job, primarily, because they can't keep aggro off me.
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I dunno what the hell kinda warriors you people work with...but at 54, I can take and keep aggro from a SK at 63 any time I want to. In Veskar the other night, for an example, the SK unloaded 11 snares on the mob. I was attacking, not taunting. Punched taunt once. Bam. Had aggro for the rest of the fight.
I haven't been working on AAs other than run speed and sta (3/1, respectively), but I do my damnedest to keep myself equiped with the best weapons I can find. Yet I still regularly wind up being main tank for my guild (most of whom are near 65), even when it was someone else's job, primarily, because they can't keep aggro off me.
You're absolutely correct! The fact that every single other Warrior in EverQuest cannot hold aggro as well as a Knight because taunt is fubared is irrelevant since you hit taunt once and it got the mob on you! Perhaps it is not the Warriors we group with, but the Shadow Knights you do.
And if you can't tank Tier 2 mobs at level 62, KaL, then something is wrong. My friend started to two box his 46 Warrior in PoV to tank with his 65 Shaman to slow a while back. Tier 2 mobs are nothing once slowed. Hell, even decently equiped Rangers can tank in the Elemental plane exp camps.
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You're absolutely correct! The fact that every single other Warrior in EverQuest cannot hold aggro as well as a Knight because taunt is fubared is irrelevant since you hit taunt once and it got the mob on you! Perhaps it is not the Warriors we group with, but the Shadow Knights you do.
That was a single example of a long-running trend. I've always been referred to as the aggro hog. I tank better than warriors/SKs many levels higher than me, and always have been able to. I don't know why this is, but I'll manage to live with it.
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And if you can't tank Tier 2 mobs at level 62, KaL, then something is wrong. My friend started to two box his 46 Warrior in PoV to tank with his 65 Shaman to slow a while back. Tier 2 mobs are nothing once slowed. Hell, even decently equiped Rangers can tank in the Elemental plane exp camps.
ac of 1250 or more buffed, hps of 5k+ buffed when im givin cleric / shaman love.
Short of not having ornate or other crack planar gear (guild is far from elemental capability) I'm not sure what else I can be doing wrong. In tier 2 or 3, if theres no pure warrior, I turn into a ranger'esque healing mana sponge.
Full SS armor, planar drop weapons, max weapon skills, hasted, and mob shaman slowed.. doesnt seem to make much of a difference if i'm facing the mob directly.
And in response to Davidson, that holds true for *any* class. 20k+ for Kei spell for enchanter, 30k+ for HoV for clerics..
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but ask why Sony still hates them as much as Verant..
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