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Ruvie's Alt
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posted 08-27-2003 08:41:05 AM
How exactly does hydrogen peroxide clean and disinfect wounds?
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posted 08-27-2003 09:02:36 AM
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posted 08-27-2003 09:03:32 AM
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posted 08-27-2003 09:04:36 AM
quote:
Ruv had this to say about John Romero:
How exactly does hydrogen peroxide clean and disinfect wounds?

If I remember right, it goes after a certain type of bacteria that is common in cuts/scrapes. It passes over some oxygen or hydrogen particles to the bacteria's molecules to change its structure, thus turning the bacteria cells into bubbles

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Razor
posted 08-27-2003 11:13:19 PM
Here's the deal w/ H2O2 3%

It works by, in a way, poisoning the body; Hydrogen Peroxide is a poison to the human body. Our defense: Lysosomes. (sp.) They are an enzyme that breaks it down by removing the extra oxygen from the chemical. The bubbles you see are pure oxygen comming out of "pure" water. The Water is pure enough that it helps to force cells to take in too much and explode or they take in the oxygen from the overload and kill it.

If you find H2O2 80%+ then you have a very effective rocket fuel. This comprises 90% of the shuttles SRB(Solid Rocket Booster) fuel.


[EDIT] Lysosomes are made and found in great quantities in liver juice.[/EDIT]

[ 08-27-2003: Message edited by: Razor ]

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Maradon!
posted 08-27-2003 11:47:42 PM
quote:
Razoring:
[EDIT] Lysosomes are made and found in great quantities in liver juice.[/EDIT]

Now you've got me wondering what it'd feel like to pour hydrogen peroxide on my liver.

Sean
posted 08-28-2003 12:11:00 AM
quote:
How.... Maradon!.... uughhhhhh:
Now you've got me wondering what it'd feel like to pour hydrogen peroxide on my liver.

I've got this suspicion it'd be like swallowing Pop Rocks.

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[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: Sean ]

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posted 08-28-2003 12:20:18 AM
quote:
Razor stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Here's the deal w/ H2O2 3%

It works by, in a way, poisoning the body; Hydrogen Peroxide is a poison to the human body. Our defense: Lysosomes. (sp.) They are an enzyme that breaks it down by removing the extra oxygen from the chemical. The bubbles you see are pure oxygen comming out of "pure" water. The Water is pure enough that it helps to force cells to take in too much and explode or they take in the oxygen from the overload and kill it.

If you find H2O2 80%+ then you have a very effective rocket fuel. This comprises 90% of the shuttles SRB(Solid Rocket Booster) fuel.


[EDIT] Lysosomes are made and found in great quantities in liver juice.[/EDIT]


The pure oxygen is what kills the germs and bacteria, in fact pure oxygen is not fun.

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Peter
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posted 08-28-2003 01:57:31 AM
quote:
Verily, Razor doth proclaim:
...
If you find H2O2 80%+ then you have a very effective rocket fuel. This
comprises 90% of the shuttles SRB(Solid Rocket Booster) fuel.
...

Little problem there, see hydrogen peroxide is a liquid, kind hard for it to be in a solid rocket. SRBs Use ammonium perchlorate as an oxidizer, aluminum as fuel, iron oxide (rust ) as a catalyst polymer binder, and an epoxy curing agent.

HTP was used as an early rocket fuel since it is both an oxidizer and Fuel, it only needs a silver screen to act as a catalyst. I believe the X-15 and the rocket jet pack used HTP rockets.I believe there is new work on trying to use HTP for rocket fuel, since it is a “green” fuel because it decomposes into water and oxygen. It is used as fuel in torpedoes and similar applications.

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 08-28-2003 02:54:32 AM
Better that it's releasing 02 instead of H2.

H2 would ignight quite nicely.

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Pvednes
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posted 08-28-2003 06:23:15 AM
quote:
Razor spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Here's the deal w/ H2O2 3%

It works by, in a way, poisoning the body; Hydrogen Peroxide is a poison to the human body. Our defense: Lysosomes. (sp.) They are an enzyme that breaks it down by removing the extra oxygen from the chemical. The bubbles you see are pure oxygen comming out of "pure" water. The Water is pure enough that it helps to force cells to take in too much and explode or they take in the oxygen from the overload and kill it.

If you find H2O2 80%+ then you have a very effective rocket fuel. This comprises 90% of the shuttles SRB(Solid Rocket Booster) fuel.


[EDIT] Lysosomes are made and found in great quantities in liver juice.[/EDIT]


Lysosomes are an organelle, not an enzyme. They contain enzymes used for breaking down cellular garbage, and are also to do with a cell's programmed cell death mechanism.

The enzyme you are looking for in the case of catalysed hydrogen peroxide decomposition is called Catalase, and it's found mainly in Peroxisomes. (another organelle.)

[Edit: As a rule of thumb, enzymes generally end in 'ase'.]

[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: Pvednes ]

Callalron
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posted 08-28-2003 10:48:07 AM
The German ME-163 Komet rocket plane used hydrogen peroxide as fuel along with a potassium permanganate oxidizer. Managed to provide one hell of a boost for take-off and climb. The only drawback was that if the plane suffer damage and any of the fuel got on the pilot, it tended to, er, dissolve them.

[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: Callalron ]

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Peter
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posted 08-28-2003 12:56:44 PM
quote:
Callalron had this to say about pies:
The German ME-163 Komet rocket plane used hydrogen peroxide as fuel along with a potassium permanganate oxidizer. Managed to provide one hell of a boost for take-off and climb. The only drawback was that if the plane suffer damage and any of the fuel got on the pilot, it tended to, er, dissolve them.

I thought it used hydrazine and methanol as fuel and the HTP as the Oxidizer. HTP is an mild acid in pure form I belive, but not so that it will melt you, hydrazine on the other hand is some bad juju.

Callalron
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posted 08-28-2003 12:59:33 PM
The info I got was off the page for the A model. It's possible that maybe the B used a different motor/fuel set up.
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Callalron
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posted 08-28-2003 01:05:48 PM
Upon further review, it turns out both of us were right. It was the B model that used the "hot" hydrazine motor.

To quote:

The RII-203 motor used two propellant liquids, an oxidant and an oxidiser, pumped to the combustion chamber. To introduce a fuel to burn in the exhaust flow would require a three fuel system. Walterwerke produced a hot motor with a new fuel, 50:50 hydrazine hydrate and methyl alcohol with a dissolved copper salt to catalyse the decomposition of the peroxide. The hydrate promoted the auto-ignition of the fuel, and the alcohol was the fuel used to burn in the oxygen-rich exhaust. The development motor, labelled the RII-209 was associated with the Me.163B, but so far it's not clear if one was flown in an Me.163B airframe, or whether it was just bench tested at Kiel.

Callalron
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Peter
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posted 08-28-2003 01:29:18 PM
quote:
Callalron had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Upon further review, it turns out both of us were right. It was the B model that used the "hot" hydrazine motor.

To quote:

The RII-203 motor used two propellant liquids, an oxidant and an oxidiser, pumped to the combustion chamber. To introduce a fuel to burn in the exhaust flow would require a three fuel system. Walterwerke produced a hot motor with a new fuel, 50:50 hydrazine hydrate and methyl alcohol with a dissolved copper salt to catalyse the decomposition of the peroxide. The hydrate promoted the auto-ignition of the fuel, and the alcohol was the fuel used to burn in the oxygen-rich exhaust. The development motor, labelled the RII-209 was associated with the Me.163B, but so far it's not clear if one was flown in an Me.163B airframe, or whether it was just bench tested at Kiel.


It was the Walter HWK 509A-2 engine used on production models that I got the fuel info from, there was a B model of the engine developed late in the war that would give it longer range.

I always thought it was rather spiffy when you look at the range of developments the Germans made in aircraft prolusion. They used pule engines on there v-2's which I am given to understand are primitive ram/scram-jet engines, rocket motor on the Komet and full blow turbo jet engine on the Me 262.

[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: Peter ]

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posted 08-28-2003 04:10:04 PM
quote:
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Better that it's releasing 02 instead of H2.

H2 would ignight quite nicely.


That's why I had to be careful when doing at-home anodizing =)

Aluminum + H2SO3 (Sulfuric Acid) + Electric current = Anodized aluminum...and hydrogen gas. One bad spark would have blown up me, and my garage.

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