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Topic: Magic: The Gathering 8th Ed.
Demos
Pancake
posted 08-05-2003 08:29:53 PM
So yeah, I was in the mall yesterday, getting fitted for a suit. I walked by the WotC store and my attention was caught by a poster for MTG: Core. It contained all manner of old-school cards, so I figured I'd drop $10 for a starter pack, just for nostalgia's sake.

But apparently, they only offer pre-constructed decks, aside from standard boosters. Now, I can see that happening for expansions, since that's happened often enough, but for a core set? Kinda nutty. So I just wound up getting 3 boosters...and I'm not going back, it ain't anythin special. I havn't played in a while, so if I point out some combo that everyone knows already, I'll be prepared for the comments of "well no shit, sherlock".

Cards that caught my interest...

  • Underworld Dreams
  • Bribery
  • Call of the Wild (iirc they have all the recruiters now too)
  • Dark Banishing and the like...its nice to see some standard black destruction coem back
  • Dingus Egg? Old school.
  • Elvish Piper.....
  • Vise will be glad to note the classic goblins w/ King. Sorry, no Gobby 'nade though =(
  • Hammer of Bogardan
  • Howling Mine
  • Phyrexian Colossus (Anyone else remember when this critter was considered huge?)
  • Royal Assassin. The only real assassin =)
  • Serra Angel and good ol' Shivan are back to dueling
  • Urza's non-basic lands. Didn't see that comin. Too bad there's no Tolarian Academy to complement it =/
  • Worship

    If I missed anything, lemme know. At least, those are the ones that caught my eye. What are everyone else's impressions?

  • "Jesus saves, Buddha enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich."
    /dev/null
    Pancake
    posted 08-05-2003 08:37:39 PM
    Mines are back? WHEEE

    Where are my millstones? Millstone, Hypnotic Specter, Hymn to Torach, etc, etc... No, I wasn't a bastard player.. really.

    Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
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    Demos
    Pancake
    posted 08-05-2003 08:41:59 PM
    Yeah, I want hyppies back too =(

    AND DARK RITUAL, DAMMIT!

    I just loved the 1st turn ritual hyppie drop, and 2nd turn Twisted Experiment. Attacking for 5 damage w/ discard on the 2nd turn. And plenty o' black discard to keep em safe.

    I WANT RITUAL!!

    "Jesus saves, Buddha enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich."
    Obsolete
    Pancake
    posted 08-05-2003 08:42:57 PM
    Mines have always been there.

    Millstone has always been there.

    /dev/null
    Pancake
    posted 08-05-2003 08:55:26 PM
    quote:
    Obsolete stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
    Mines have always been there.

    Millstone has always been there.


    I thought they were stripped around 5th....

    Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
    My fellow Americans, as you know, my foreign policy can be summed up in five words: "Iludium-236 Explosive Space Modulator."
    When it comes down to it, searching the web without Google is like straining sewage with your teeth.
    Obsolete
    Pancake
    posted 08-05-2003 08:57:10 PM
    You thought wrong bucko!

    And Hypnotic Specter, Hymn To Tourach, and Dark Ritual are all broken

    Mod
    Pancake
    posted 08-05-2003 09:00:40 PM
    quote:
    This insanity brought to you by Obsolete:
    You thought wrong bucko!

    And Hypnotic Specter, Hymn To Tourach, and Dark Ritual are all broken


    Dunno how much the game has changed but ritual used to be ok when I played (up to legacy). Hypnotic / Hymn are broken though. Two hymns in your first hand used to be pretty much gg against some decks.

    Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
    /dev/null
    Pancake
    posted 08-06-2003 11:21:24 AM
    Hymns are a bit overpowering. Up the cost a bit and you're ok. PLUS, it wasn't anywhere near as broken back when there was a diff between Instant/Interrupt/magic.

    I don't see how specs are really overpowered. 3 mana for a flying 2/1... anything can take that fucker out.

    And as far as Dark Rit goes, all of the "1 mana for 3 something" cards were classed as overpowered. Dark Rit IMO was second only to Ancestral Recall.

    Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
    My fellow Americans, as you know, my foreign policy can be summed up in five words: "Iludium-236 Explosive Space Modulator."
    When it comes down to it, searching the web without Google is like straining sewage with your teeth.
    Lenlalron Flameblaster
    posted 08-06-2003 11:26:39 AM
    SUCK IT, COUNTERSPELL.


    Wheeeeeeeeeeee!

    Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
    Mod
    Pancake
    posted 08-06-2003 11:34:13 AM
    quote:
    /dev/null's fortune cookie read:
    Hymns are a bit overpowering. Up the cost a bit and you're ok. PLUS, it wasn't anywhere near as broken back when there was a diff between Instant/Interrupt/magic.

    I don't see how specs are really overpowered. 3 mana for a flying 2/1... anything can take that fucker out.

    And as far as Dark Rit goes, all of the "1 mana for 3 something" cards were classed as overpowered. Dark Rit IMO was second only to Ancestral Recall.


    It was a deal with it now or lose card. If you get only one attack with him in and then your opponent bolts it you still gain 2 damage and one card card advantage for BB1, hymn was one card of card advantage for BB and overpowered at the price. A deck that didn't have the capacities to deal with a black creature quickly was terribly hosed (remember the most popular form of creature control was nev's disk back then, and that took a turn to power up + 4 mana to cast where spectre was 3).

    [ 08-06-2003: Message edited by: Shazorx / Modrakien ]

    Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
    Vorago
    A completely different kind of Buckethead
    posted 08-06-2003 11:34:24 AM
    quote:
    /dev/null Model 2000 was programmed to say:
    Hymns are a bit overpowering. Up the cost a bit and you're ok. PLUS, it wasn't anywhere near as broken back when there was a diff between Instant/Interrupt/magic.

    I don't see how specs are really overpowered. 3 mana for a flying 2/1... anything can take that fucker out.

    And as far as Dark Rit goes, all of the "1 mana for 3 something" cards were classed as overpowered. Dark Rit IMO was second only to Ancestral Recall.


    Hypnotic was a 2/2 flying for 3 with not only a discard on attack, but a RANDOM discard.

    Dark ritual needed to be removed, it always screwed up the colour black in general cost wise. Things like a first turn hypnotic was why they scrapped it. Now they can make 3 mana black creatures that actually come out on the 3rd turn, not the first.

    Hymn was broken, yeah. Entirely too good for too low of a cost. Doubly so since the discard was random.

    Vorago
    A completely different kind of Buckethead
    posted 08-06-2003 11:36:01 AM
    quote:
    From the book of /dev/null, chapter 3, verse 16:
    And as far as Dark Rit goes, all of the "1 mana for 3 something" cards were classed as overpowered. Dark Rit IMO was second only to Ancestral Recall.

    Anyone who calls Healing Salve overpowered needs a kick to the face

    And ancestral recall wasn't overpowered, it was downright stupid.

    [ 08-06-2003: Message edited by: Vorago ]

    /dev/null
    Pancake
    posted 08-06-2003 01:42:07 PM
    quote:
    When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Vorago said:
    Anyone who calls Healing Salve overpowered needs a kick to the face

    And ancestral recall wasn't overpowered, it was downright stupid.


    Healing Salve was overpowered in that it was usable on anything. Creature, Player, Opponent, etc.

    I've had times that I've cast one on an opponenets creature to keep it from getting killed. Gotta love being the only person without swamps in play when someone's using Bog Wraiths.

    And as for AR being stupid, in Alpha/Beta it wasn't THAT bad until people started abusing multi-color decks. Using it to setup for Timewalk/Regrowth/Recall was gay as well as people using it to make someone burn through their decks with Wheel of Fortune (Whee... I draw 7, you draw 10.)

    Beep. Beep. Beep... Ohh... I think my porridge is done.
    My fellow Americans, as you know, my foreign policy can be summed up in five words: "Iludium-236 Explosive Space Modulator."
    When it comes down to it, searching the web without Google is like straining sewage with your teeth.
    Vorago
    A completely different kind of Buckethead
    posted 08-06-2003 03:25:06 PM
    quote:
    /dev/null attempted to be funny by writing:
    Healing Salve was overpowered in that it was usable on anything. Creature, Player, Opponent, etc.


    Healing salve was never overpowered. Never was, never will be

    It sucks for life gaining, big time, and sucks for saving creatures, since all it is is a diet giant growth.

    But, like the lucky charms (Iron star, wooden sphere and the like), Wizards will keep on reprinting them. Sort of like Scathe Zombies The suckass card that never dies

    [ 08-06-2003: Message edited by: Vorago ]

    Random Insanity Generator
    Condom Ninja El Supremo
    posted 08-06-2003 05:32:13 PM
    quote:
    Vorago had this to say about Captain Planet:
    Healing salve was never overpowered. Never was, never will be

    It sucks for life gaining, big time, and sucks for saving creatures, since all it is is a diet giant growth.

    But, like the lucky charms (Iron star, wooden sphere and the like), Wizards will keep on reprinting them. Sort of like Scathe Zombies The suckass card that never dies


    Hey, I like my soul nets.

    Tim one pissant creature, get 4 life.

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    Gunslinger Moogle
    No longer a gimmick
    posted 08-06-2003 05:39:41 PM
    I'm sad I couldnt go to the prerelease for that, the set seems spiffawesome...



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