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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-15-2003 07:14:09 PM
Yeah, there are other X2 threads, but I'm too lazy to look them up.

This is mine.

I have just one thing to say.

OMFG that was awesome!


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 05-15-2003 07:17:03 PM
QUESTIONS

Who was the kid that changed channels whenever he blinked?

And what about the screaming bitch?

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-15-2003 07:23:28 PM
I'm not sure who the TV kid was, but I think the girl was Siryn


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-15-2003 07:24:36 PM
quote:
From the book of Iron Parcelan, chapter 3, verse 16:
QUESTIONS

Who was the kid that changed channels whenever he blinked?


I think that might have been a little known character called "Whiz Kid". He had the power to control and transform/create machines. Leave him in a junkyard, and he can make a 15ft tall robot with little problem (though it might not work once he stops concentrating on it).

He tended to hang out with two other little kids, named Artie and Leech. Though he looked nothing like the comicbook version of Artie, that was the name of the kid that stuck out his tounge at the begining and end of the movie.

The only reason I'm not sure if it was really Whiz Kid, is because WK couldn't walk, and used a wheelchair. (Motorized wheelchair, which he sometimes did interesting things with using his powers.)

quote:
And what about the screaming bitch?

Siren (sp?). Her powers center around a sonic scream that can actually cause deafness, shatter glass, and break steel.

[ 05-15-2003: Message edited by: Palador ChibiDragon ]

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-15-2003 07:31:12 PM
They threw in a kid in the first movie I believe who was never in the comics, so the one watching TV could also have just been a plot device.

And I like the general development of powers over time. Like Palador said Siryn's scream could cause deafness or shatter things, but all it did in the movie was cause intense aural pain. Of course, she's only a kid right now. So it leaves the door open for development as she ages.

Everyone's not a badass at first, and I like seeing that.

[ 05-15-2003: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Mod
Pancake
posted 05-15-2003 07:33:59 PM
I saw it yesterday so I'll just abuse this thread to make a few short comments comments :
I liked it, but it was a bit low on action for an action flick.

The positives first, keeping it semi-vague so I don't spoil stuff for anyone:
Pretty much any scene involving Magneto was awesome. Mystique was great just for the FX. Pyro blowing stuff up owned, same for Wolverine in the mansion.

The negatives:
The fights involving Jean Grey and Wolverine at the end were pretty dull and unimaginative imo. The end sequence wouldn't have made sense to anyone not in the know about the story already. There was far too much filler between the actual action.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-15-2003 07:35:55 PM
quote:
Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Pirotess:
They threw in a kid in the first movie I believe who was never in the comics, so the one watching TV could also have just been a plot device.

I would have thought the same, but for the mention of Artie. Artie, Whiz Kid, and Leech were a team. Where one went, the other two would never be far behind.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-15-2003 07:37:03 PM
I dunno, I think it was pretty damn sweet to see Jean fight Scott. But you are right about the end sequence. I'm sure they'll clarify in the third movie, but for now people who have never known about the Phoenix storyline will be pretty damned confused.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-15-2003 07:38:36 PM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon's fortune cookie read:
I would have thought the same, but for the mention of Artie. Artie, Whiz Kid, and Leech were a team. Where one went, the other two would never be far behind.

Who knows. Maybe they'll use him in the next movie more


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-15-2003 07:50:05 PM
quote:
From the book of Lyinar Ka`Bael, chapter 3, verse 16:
Who knows. Maybe they'll use him in the next movie more

I hope not. Whiz Kid is actually far too powerful to use and keep the plot reasonable. His power basically allows him to make whatever gizmo or repairs they might need, whenever they need it.

Example: At the end of the movie, when Rogue flew the X-Jet, he could have flown it without any problem using his powers. Or, he could have fixed it before the flood hit, preventing the sacrifice of Jean. Cerebro's locked door would have slowed him down for only 15 seconds or so, as he mentally reworked the locks. Cerebro itself would have been disabled easily, saving Storm the trouble of stopping it.

They might use him as a minor character in the next film again, but I can't see them using him for anything else. Ditto with Artie (Power: telepathic image creation, basically making you see something that isn't there) and ESPECALLY Leech (Power: Negation of any and ALL superhuman powers within his area of effect, you'll notice that they didn't have him in there at all).

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-15-2003 08:02:08 PM
I loved seeing Colossus armor up, get shot, next scene: BOOM! military guys come flying through the walls.

I even liked the fact Nightcrawler wasn't fuzzy (he has short fur all over his body in the comic, hence his nickname "Fuzzy Elf")...the angelic whorl scars were a nice touch. I liked the opening sequence...they definitely got the teleportation down right...

and of course, there are the things they threw in just for fans...

1. When you see Mystique looking up Magneto's file in the computer, just above "Lensherr, Eric" is "LeBeau, Remy" aka Gambit
2. Discussing Mutants on CNN? None other than Doctor Henry McCoy (in human form...I nearly wet my pants to see the Beast...jolly good show there)
3. The Phoenix storyline. I doubt, given the mutant-centric storyline, that they'll go into the Shi'ar/aliens element of it, but it was pretty cool to see Jean getting fiery.

[ 05-15-2003: Message edited by: Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael ]

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-15-2003 08:04:03 PM
My only beef was that there weren't any Sentinels. On the other hand, you do see a heading "Project: Wideawake" on Stryker's computer...Project Wideawake was the designation of the Sentinel development program.
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Mod
Pancake
posted 05-15-2003 08:07:06 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Lyinar Ka`Bael stammered:
I dunno, I think it was pretty damn sweet to see Jean fight Scott. But you are right about the end sequence. I'm sure they'll clarify in the third movie, but for now people who have never known about the Phoenix storyline will be pretty damned confused.

The idea was good, but the whole laser beam pushing fight theme has been a bit overdone imo.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-15-2003 08:10:11 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Shazorx / Modrakien said this:
The idea was good, but the whole laser beam pushing fight theme has been a bit overdone imo.

Scott's optic blasts aren't lasers. They're beams of concussive force; a common misconception.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-15-2003 08:16:27 PM
Other stylistic things I enjoyed:

1. The new costumes. In the first movie, they were very tight, restrictive things. They seemed to fit better this go around, and fit the characters better.

2. Scott's new visor. In the first movie, if you recall, it was a huge clunky thing; the new visor was thinner, sleeker. Very cool.

3. Magneto's brutality...In the first movie, they sort of painted Magneto as a good guy doing things the wrong way; he didn't want to acknowledge that the process he was using was dangerous to normal folks...in the second movie, it was nice to see the dichotomy of his behavior. On one hand, he could be very charming and charitable towards mutants (in a way), but on the other hand, he wasn't above yanking the extra iron out of the guard's bloodstream and attempting to commit genocide

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-15-2003 08:52:37 PM
I loved both the actual uniforms and the jackets with the insignia on the shoulders. It really set them all apart.

And Storm really came into her own in this movie. I was very very happy to see more Storm being a badass.


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Grendel
Pancake
posted 05-16-2003 01:20:49 AM
Rogue's accent is gone, or at least not as heavily done in X2. Her accent really bugged me in the first movie. I also just liked the feel and the flow of the second much more than the first.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 05-16-2003 01:26:07 AM
Bobby's Mom : This is all my fault...

Pyro : Actually, they've discovered the mutant gene is passed down from the father, so it's his fault.

That part cracked me up

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-16-2003 01:27:32 AM
Yeah, that was amusing.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 05-16-2003 01:29:53 AM
Magneto's character was done perfectly from the comics. His entire character can be summoned up with one three second exchange:

"So, they say you're the badguy."
"Is that what they say?"

There's just something about that one tiny little part that screams Magneto.

[ 05-16-2003: Message edited by: Comrade Snoota ]

You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-16-2003 01:54:36 AM
Yeeeees...and in this one I think they gave him contacts to represent that stuff Styker was hitting him with. The contacts made him creepy.
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King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 05-16-2003 02:12:45 AM
I felt that Rogue and Iceman were the Sam and Frodo of X-Men. They had feelings for each other, and the majority of their roles was spent running, hiding, and falling down.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-16-2003 03:43:37 PM
An astute observation.

Frankly, I was glad that Rogue and Iceman had such bit parts in this one. Too much Rogue (especially with such a young actress playing her) would rapidly turn her into a "Jubilee" character, which would piss me off seeing as how they've stacked the deck of other mutants nicely.

I want to see Colossus again next time. They need a heavy hitter. Wolverine is, as always, a badass, but you need a bona fide tank sometimes.

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Cinnistyr
Pancake
posted 05-16-2003 03:53:54 PM
I think my favorite scene was when Mystique hit that security guard with the needle in the bathroom, then the next day Magneto ripped all the extra iron out of his bloodstream, killing him and making a set of BB's that flew around like little hypersonic slugs, shattering his cage and freeing him. His disc flight was pretty cool too, but that scene with the little iron slugs bouncing like pool balls gone haywire just killed me
Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 05-16-2003 04:05:11 PM
"Bobby, have you ever considered... just not being a mutant?

I laughed

Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 05-16-2003 05:22:26 PM
Why has no one mentioned the part where Magneto pulls the pins out from all the grenades? That was probably my favorite part.
Matilda Jane
ph33r my MIRVs
posted 05-16-2003 05:32:13 PM
quote:
Niklas stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Why has no one mentioned the part where Magneto pulls the pins out from all the grenades? That was probably my favorite part.

It was in one of the other threads and this was deserving of the spoiler tags.

There was a signature here... it's gone now.
Niklas
hay guys whats going on in this title?
posted 05-16-2003 05:35:08 PM
Damn, good point about the spoiler tags.. wasn't thinking

(and too old to edit now, rats )

[ 05-16-2003: Message edited by: Niklas ]

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-16-2003 06:14:05 PM
If you don't want to risk spoiling it for yourself...weeks after the movie came out...don't read the threads. I hate looking at threads full of blacked out stuff I have to highlight to read.
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Sean
posted 05-16-2003 06:17:40 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael's account was hax0red to write:
I want to see Colossus again next time. They need a heavy hitter. Wolverine is, as always, a badass, but you need a bona fide tank sometimes.

Until your tank becomes a wrecking ball of friendly fire when he crosses Magneto.

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-16-2003 06:21:36 PM
So? That's half the fun of it. I remember having the comic (given to me by a friend) when the "All New" X-Men first tangled with Magneto. He magnetically threw Colossus out of the Muir Island research facility out into the Atlantic, tossed Wolverine around by his metal claws, and hermetically sealed Banshee in a skin-tight, airless coating of iron filings.

Now imagine that sort of fight on the big screen. Tasty.

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Zair
The Imp
posted 05-16-2003 06:42:37 PM
[/spoiler] When Prof X was using Cerebro to kill all the mutants, and they were all practically incapacitated from pain, why was the mutant in the wheelchair unaffected? The one creating the illusions. [/spoiler]

*edit* How do you do spoiler tags?

[ 05-16-2003: Message edited by: Zair ]

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-16-2003 07:18:07 PM
quote:
Zair had this to say about the Spice Girls:
[/spoiler] When Prof X was using Cerebro to kill all the mutants, and they were all practically incapacitated from pain, why was the mutant in the wheelchair unaffected? The one creating the illusions. [/spoiler]

*edit* How do you do spoiler tags?


leave the / out of the first one.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-16-2003 07:39:09 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Zair was all like:
[/spoiler] When Prof X was using Cerebro to kill all the mutants, and they were all practically incapacitated from pain, why was the mutant in the wheelchair unaffected? The one creating the illusions. [/spoiler]

*edit* How do you do spoiler tags?



I think Jason made himself invisible to Cerebro, since it was his illusion and he could control what went on in it. So Professor X never "found" him, especially since he was pretending to be a little kid and not the decimated form he was in the wheelchair.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 05-16-2003 07:59:08 PM
or cerebro only effects people outside of cerebro.
On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-16-2003 08:12:42 PM
I think of it in terms of Cerebro being a sorting machine that uses Xavier for it's bandwidth. Xavier has limited bandwidth, and Cerebro automatically sorts mutants with a change of pattern (thus Nightcrawler, who was so unusually active in his long range series of ports, shows up as a steady red trail). It would explain why Xavier asks people who come into the Cerebro chamber with him to not move; if they change their ongoing status, Cerebro refreshes their data, and if Xavier is busy acting both as bandwidth and at the same controlling Cerebro, he may zero in on those around him.

There's also the fact that if Xavier was being mind controlled, Jason simply told him to not target him. Likewise, there's the possibility that Jason (more or less comatose to the world around him) was being affected and just didn't show it. My guess is that if Xavier HAD wiped out all mutants, however, Jason and Xavier would have been included.

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Y.O.T.C
No longer a Towel Girl
posted 05-16-2003 11:37:47 PM
I would personaly like nothing more than to see an appearance of the Scarlet Witch in the next movie.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-17-2003 01:25:45 AM
Scarlet Witch is only tangentially attached to the mutant storyline (she and Quicksilver are Magneto's estranged children); she's always been an Avengers character rather than an X character, and so far none of the Marvel movies have alluded any mutual connection in the world to others.
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Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 05-17-2003 05:24:57 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael said this:
It would explain why Xavier asks people who come into the Cerebro chamber with him to not move; if they change their ongoing status, Cerebro refreshes their data, and if Xavier is busy acting both as bandwidth and at the same controlling Cerebro, he may zero in on those around him.


I think the explanation for that is much simpler.
As soon as Captain X starts using Cerebro, it changes the room completly and you cannot see the small bridge you're standing on anymore.

"Wow Proffessor, that's cool. What's that over thereeeeeaaaaaaahhh...!"

*thump*

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 05-17-2003 06:00:11 AM
The hands down without a doubt funniest moment of the movie happened in Cerebro!

"My tolerance for your smoking in the Mansion not withstanding, if you continue to smoke that in here you will live the rest of your days under the belief that you are a nine year old girl."
"...you can do that?"
"I'll even have Jean braid your hair."

You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
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