So naturally, there are but two competitors: XBox and GameCube. The problem? Choosing between them. I am absolutely torn.

Let me start off by saying I'm not particularly size-conscious. To me, it is not the size of the system that counts, but how you use it.

The real issue I see is game selection. Gamecube has stuff like Metroid Prime (which looks semi-tight), and Super Smash Brothers Melee (which looks really tight). XBox has DOAC:Xtreme Beach Volleyball, and also Halo (which also looks cool). I lack multiplayer options for PS2, so this is really one of the bigger reasons why I'm looking into it.

Other issues I care about:
-Longevity, I don't want to buy it and have it be obsolete in a year.
-Future games
-Hardware performance

So please, gurus of games, tell me the pros and cons of each.

And Delphi, if you say "Either one, so long as you try them both before forming an opinion", I'll send you naked and covered with honey to Yellowstone.

Halo is, in a word, shithot. Some complain of the "repetitive" levels, but, given the premise, it's realistic.

Splinter Cell is also huge and fun.

Many other current games are quite fun, too.

In the future? Deus Ex II. RTCW has just been released, with support for Live. Starcraft: Ghost. Fable. SW: KOTOR. Others I can't remember off the top o' my noggin.

If you have adult-sized hands, you'll appreciate the controller. Otherwise, there is a fairyboy version. (I kid!)

The graphics are outstanding, and it supports progressive-scan HDTV as well as surround.

edit: Same with Ghost.

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Gamecube has less third party support than even X-Box, and Nintendo has officially announced that they're treating the Gamecube as the "Little brother" to the GBA in terms of development attention.

If you buy an X-Box, most of your entertainment will come from entirely new experiences, most of which are quite good, like Halo.

If you buy a Gamecube, most of your entertainment will come from the occasional long-awaited sequel. Games like Metroid Prime, SSBM, and Wind Wanker. It's my opinion that these are few and far between, and fleeting whenever you do get your hands on one.

Huge fan of old Nintendo games? Can't live without "Old-Nintendo-Hit 2"? Gamecube is you.

Like a bigger library of fresher material? A climate more akin to that of the SNES in it's hayday? X-Box luv you long time.

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Kegwen's fortune cookie read:
Splinter Cell is on all systems.

edit: Same with Ghost.

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The question wasn't about exclusive content. It sounded a whole lot more like, "What can I play if I get. . . ."

If not, then a quick trip to Gamespot will tell which system gets what, without the subjective input of those of us who own the systems, hmm?

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Bloodsage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:

The question wasn't about exclusive content. It sounded a whole lot more like, "What can I play if I get. . . ."

If not, then a quick trip to Gamespot will tell which system gets what, without the subjective input of those of us who own the systems, hmm?

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True.

I only own a PS2, and it's broken, so my input isn't very subjective.

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Skaw had this to say about pies:
Really, aside from library, the only real big difference between X-box and GameCube is X-Box fully supports Dolby THX, while GameCube only has shitty Prologic for some retarded reason

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I don't think either the Gamecube or PS2 support HDTV resolutions like the X-Box does, either.

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Kegwen thought about the meaning of life:
Splinter Cell is on all systems.

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And looks and plays better on the Xbox!

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Comrade Snoota had this to say about pies:
And looks and plays better on the Xbox!

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I wouldn't know!

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Comrade Snoota thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
And looks and plays better on the Xbox!

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Heh. I edited that out of my earlier.

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Bill stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
I don't think either the Gamecube or PS2 support HDTV resolutions like the X-Box does, either.

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Gamecube can only do 640p/720i I believe, while the Xbox can go all the way to 720p/1080i.

But to have an HDTV that does 720p/1080 will cost you so much cash..

I dont even think PS2 even supports Progressive Scan

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If you want a system with a great multiplayer support, less very well known franchises, a lot of third party support, and new and promissing franchises, buy the X Box.

I have a 'Cube, I am very happy with it because I am not looking for long term entertainement, I was looking for a platform that will allow me to have a good time when I'm not on the computer and that is the gamecube, with its aweome games every 2 3 months that I have the time to finish before the next one comes out. But your mileage may vary and the XBox is a quality console for sure.

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SB =

Both games have received exemplary reviews/previews on all three systems. Sure there might be differences in content (B2 for the Cube has 15 more Crash courses than the PS2, but the X-box version has extra car skins and custom soundtrack capability), but the same game can basically be made for any of the three, be the game crap or crystal.

Basically comes down to, if you can only get one, get the one that plays the games you want it to. Me, I'm very happy with my 'Cube; like I was happy with my Game Boys, SNES, and N64.

And Metroid Prime itself is a reason to buy a 'Cube. It rocks just that much. Zelda, too.

Oh yeah, don't listen to people on the outside who talk in absolutes.

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And Metroid Prime itself is a reason to buy a 'Cube. It rocks just that much. Zelda, too.

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Save yourself the money and rent the system if you want Prime. A one week rental should be more than sufficient

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Halo is fine and dandy if you can get used to the controls. I can't. I use Keyboard/Mouse for my first person shooters, nothing else works as well.

DOAC:XBV looks good, but I honestly don't know if I'd like it beyond the whole 'breasts' factor.

I currently only have 5 GC games (StarFox Adventures, Metroid Prime, Zelda : Ocarina, Wind Wanker, and Mario Sunshine), but I really like them all. I'm also really looking forward to the new Soul Caliber game (An adult-model Link? DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!) and the new sonic games coming out (I'm a big sonic fan).

I've seen both and whether or not hardware is better on one over the other means very little. Some games look better on the GameCube, some look better on the X-Box (multi-platform releases). It's pretty equal.

But I've had trouble finding games I really enjoy on either console. At least GameCube has a few (Metroid Prime, SSBM, Wind Waker...) but I haven't seen many at all on the X-box. Then again, I'm usually into novel ideas, which the GameCube just seems to have more of in general. I think when it comes to GameCube vs. X-Box, it's all about taste, really.

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The logic train ran off the tracks when Bill said:
Save yourself the money and rent the system if you want Prime. A one week rental should be more than sufficient

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Not if you want the good ending (Without FAQing your cheating ass).

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ACES! Another post by Iron Parcelan:
So, I've been wondering if maybe I want to get a new game system. I am intrigued by these, how you say, things beyond Playstation.

So naturally, there are but two competitors: XBox and GameCube. The problem? Choosing between them. I am absolutely torn.

Let me start off by saying I'm not particularly size-conscious. To me, it is not the size of the system that counts, but how you use it.

The real issue I see is game selection. Gamecube has stuff like Metroid Prime (which looks semi-tight), and Super Smash Brothers Melee (which looks really tight). XBox has DOAC:Xtreme Beach Volleyball, and also Halo (which also looks cool). I lack multiplayer options for PS2, so this is really one of the bigger reasons why I'm looking into it.

Other issues I care about:
-Longevity, I don't want to buy it and have it be obsolete in a year.
-Future games
-Hardware performance

So please, gurus of games, tell me the pros and cons of each.

And Delphi, if you say "Either one, so long as you try them both before forming an opinion", I'll send you naked and covered with honey to Yellowstone.

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Metroid Prime is more than Semi-tight

DOA volleyball got boring after 10 minutes. Halo is boring and wasn't that good to begin with. SSBM is fun with friends but is already boring solo.

Gamecube seems to have edged ahead as far as number of offerings on the market now from my perspective in the rental business. Xbox had a lot of stuff really early but most of it looked like crap to me. The Resident Evil games on Gamecube are fun.

I really don't focus on system hardware because it's impossible to tell unless you're playing both at the same time for the purpose of comparison... who does that really? I tend to focus on gameplay and general effect instead. Xbox has a couple neat features like being able to load your mp3's onto it's hard disk but who the fuck cares about that? My computer is only 10 steps away and it has better sound anyway. Gamecube has it in the simplicity department. Hard disks go bad and generate noise and heat. Xbox can play DVD's but apparently not well since I get tons of returns on DVD's that "don't work" and yet look perfect. My first question is "What are you playing it on?" 60 percent answer "ps-2" 30 percent answer "Xbox" and the other people either answer brand-x dvd player or computer. I have a standalone Sony dvd player so there goes that benefit.

My reasoning for liking Nintendo is that Nintendo has franchises that stand the test of time. Metroid, SMB, Zelda (I don't care what you think of Windwaker, no, really, I don't care). Sega couldn't keep up because their major game titles just weren't as memorable. Playstation seemed to cater to the market that didn't care about Metroid, SMB, or Zelda and did well but as a result I really could have cared less about Playstation.

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My reasoning for liking Nintendo is that Nintendo has franchises that stand the test of time.

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My reason for not liking Nintendo is that all they have is a handful of reused franchises that stand the test of time.

And there's the whole "kiddy system" thing they've got going.

As a side note and third edit, maybe it's me but neither the hard drive in my computer, nor the one in my X-Box make the slightest noise, and heat is completely meaningless.

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Bill had this to say about Optimus Prime:
My reason for not liking Nintendo is that all they have is a handful of reused franchises that stand the test of time.

And there's the whole "kiddy system" thing they've got going.

As a side note and third edit, maybe it's me but neither the hard drive in my computer, nor the one in my X-Box make the slightest noise, and heat is completely meaningless.

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heat is only meaningless when the fans that dissipate it are working.

and if you can't hear your hard drive you must not be as frequency sensetive as I am because I can hear them and they tend to drive me nuts. But drive noise is only a small nuisance, you're right.

And you're buying the wrong games if you think it's a kiddie system.

I already have a PS2 and It's a great system, but a lot of the stuff added to Gcube and XBox versions of the same game kinda piss me off, like with Burnout.

Honestly though, I'm really, really torn. XBox has some titles that really intrest me, they'll have Knights of the Old Republic (which may or may not be cross-platform), that one game coming out that's like Morrowind but with aging and shit, Halo, that Kung Fu type game, Steel Battalion, etc.

But the Gamecube has games like SSBM, Animal Crossing, Prime, Rogue Leader (and coming soon Rogue Squadron 3), and all sorts of other stuff.

I'll end up just tossing a coin.

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OtakuPenguin had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I'm actually deciding which one to buy myself.

I already have a PS2 and It's a great system, but a lot of the stuff added to Gcube and XBox versions of the same game kinda piss me off, like with Burnout.

Honestly though, I'm really, really torn. XBox has some titles that really intrest me, they'll have Knights of the Old Republic (which may or may not be cross-platform), that one game coming out that's like Morrowind but with aging and shit, Halo, that Kung Fu type game, Steel Battalion, etc.

But the Gamecube has games like SSBM, Animal Crossing, Prime, Rogue Leader (and coming soon Rogue Squadron 3), and all sorts of other stuff.

I'll end up just tossing a coin.

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KoTOR will be PC release too.

And I still blame Skaw for pushing my decision to buy a GameCube

Generally speaking, GCN (or whatever) has family-friendly titles, party games, and a few strong games built on old, popular licenses. Liscenses. Lis-FRANCHISES. Also, SC2 on the Gamecube will include adult Link, and he's supposed to be zany.

X-Box tends to have more serious games. To get full multiplayer value, you'll almost have to plump for X-Box Live.
Some people find that controller damn near impossible to use (I've never gotten used to it, myself; why are the buttons so small?!). And in all seriousness, the thing's sheer size makes it difficult to find shelf space for
Incidentally, SC2 on X-Box will include... Spawn? WTF?

Really, it's hard to say which is one is definitively "better." I'd really recommend that you peruse their libraries and see which titles you're more interested in.

EDIT: If it matters to you, between X and G, I'm personally more interested in forthcoming X-Box games like Fable and, yes, KoTOR. Seriously, Fable is going to own me for free. It's like an MMORPG without the MMO!

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Kennatsu had this to say about (_|_):
I'm just waiting for releases on the GameCube that will come out later this year... like HM:AWL

And I still blame Skaw for pushing my decision to buy a GameCube

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HM as in Harvest Moon? When's that coming out?

Anyway, I say get a Gamecube because I'm biased and hate XBox. Isn't XBox 2 coming out next year or something?
Oh yeah, and GC has better games.

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Cheese painfully thought these words up:
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NO VEGETARIAN OPINIONS

Anyway, I forsee a new X-Box coming out before Nintendo replaces the GCN. If you want a system that will be around for a while, get the 'Cube.