Is it okay to look at pornography while you're in a dedicated relationship? Under what circumstances?
Is pornography inherently immoral and should be eliminated on principle? Or is just some pornography morally acceptible while other types are not?
And lastly, at what age is watching pornography morally justifiable, if ever?
Please try to keep this discussion clean, mature, and without pornographic pictures of links to pornography. Please keep it civil folks, sex isn't something most of us are used to discussing, so please reread your post before making it, so as to avoid starting any sort of flames.
Thank you.
[edit -typo] [ 04-25-2003: Message edited by: Alt_Account ]
17/18 years is okay, i guess.
*shrugs* I'm to used to talking about sex ^_^
but I'll agree with Ash, it's a "float yer boat" idea
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Ares stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I think this goes under... "Whatever floats your boat" As long as it's legal pr0n.
How about pornography made by consenting adults depicting and promoting rape?
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Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles had this to say about Tron:
porn.17/18 years is okay, i guess.
*shrugs* I'm to used to talking about sex ^_^
but I'll agree with Ash, it's a "float yer boat" idea
Well, why not lower? Most people these days reach sexual maturity between the ages of 12-14. Why not lower it to that age? Nature is giving them the capacity to have sex, so why should we not let them read about it and look at it? Would pornography for educational purposes have a place in the classrooms of our schools at that age?
No, Really. Bite me.
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Fox was naked while typing this:
I dunno maybe Im a gentleman or old fashioned but I beleive the act is something special to be shared with just the two people involved in it.
I agree with this.
On the flip-side, though, I also don't really see anything wrong with looking at porn, since it's going to be made, and I may as well take advantage of it.
When it coes down to having sex myself, though, then it's gotta be with someone special, and for the right reasons.
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Burger painfully thought these words up:
Well, why not lower? Most people these days reach sexual maturity between the ages of 12-14. Why not lower it to that age? Nature is giving them the capacity to have sex, so why should we not let them read about it and look at it? Would pornography for educational purposes have a place in the classrooms of our schools at that age?
you've got a point.
should we introduce it at an early age?
we all gasp at the thought of teenage pregnancy, but the question is, will introducing sex earlier change that?
(i.e. would you like to be a grandparent when your kid is 14?)
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Fox had this to say about (_|_):
I dunno maybe Im a gentleman or old fashioned but I beleive the act is something special to be shared with just the two people involved in it. Recording it and showing it to others for profit is basically whoring yourself out imo. Now Hentai, my friends, is a thing of beauty
Some people state that being watched is even more arousing, and that they enjoy being able to share themselves with so many. Should they be allowed to do so?
I generally believe all pr0n is good unless it's child pr0n or illegal pr0n. Rape pr0n is... nngh, but as long as it's not real rape, yay. Same for pr0n with killing, mauling, whatever. Whatever floats your boat, no matter how sick and demented a boat it is.
As for age... take a survey at what age kids start viewing pr0n. Make that age the legal age. There you go.
...how the hell did it know?
Anyways if they want to "share themselves" go ahead, just dont think Im going to pretend to understand it. Sure I'll kiss n whatnot with my gf in public, but not to give a show, I guess in porn its no biggie that it shows the woman your with cause your not in an actual relationship, but for relationships Im greedy n dont "share". Anyways, I think if you can do whatever you want, and sure Im a male so females are attractive, but I try to keep eyes only for the special one in my life and know she wouldnt want me checking out other women nude, and visa versa. I dont know gawd I sound like such a geek Im going to shut up now. [ 04-25-2003: Message edited by: Fox ]
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Check out the big brain on Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles!
you've got a point.should we introduce it at an early age?
we all gasp at the thought of teenage pregnancy, but the question is, will introducing sex earlier change that?
(i.e. would you like to be a grandparent when your kid is 14?)
If pornography were produced and/or used in an educational sense, it might remove the mmystery for some of the young teens, or at least further promote safe sex. And the availability of pornography to younger people may encourage private masturbation as opposed to sex as a means of relief from sexual frustration. Is this feasible and moral?
No, Really. Bite me.
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Nicole probably says this to all the girls:
As for age... take a survey at what age kids start viewing pr0n. Make that age the legal age. There you go.
Just because people do watch or read at a young age, does not mean that they should, and we should not necessarily condone it.
No, Really. Bite me.
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Burger's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Well, why not lower? Most people these days reach sexual maturity between the ages of 12-14. Why not lower it to that age? Nature is giving them the capacity to have sex, so why should we not let them read about it and look at it? Would pornography for educational purposes have a place in the classrooms of our schools at that age?
I believe that the only reason it is at 18 right now, is due to the3 fact that at 18, you are alegal adult, and can do whatever you wish within the boundaries of the law.
I see nothing wrong with someone who's reached both physical and mental sexual maturity looking at porn.
As for it being introduced into schools for educational purposes, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what sex ed is for? I don't really see why actual porn would be necessary.
Then again, i didn't go to sex ed, I chose to roam the halls of the school instead. 
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Burger had this to say about Optimus Prime:
If pornography were produced and/or used in an educational sense, it might remove the mmystery for some of the young teens, or at least further promote safe sex. And the availability of pornography to younger people may encourage private masturbation as opposed to sex as a means of relief from sexual frustration. Is this feasible and moral?
yeah, it could encourage private masturbation.
A 12 year old watching porn and jacking off... I'm not going to ask if it's moral, because everyone has a different view becasue of religion, etc.
sex ed isn't inroduced until 14 though. (at least here in canada.)
I suspect that without pornography, I would be a very short tempered and edgy person
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Burger said:
Just because people do watch or read at a young age, does not mean that they should, and we should not necessarily condone it.
Does pr0n harm the kid? No, not really.
If the kid in question is really that curious about something that, if presented in it's purely scientific form, is actually kinda gross, why should the pr0n be denied?
If you caught your underage child looking at porn, what would you do?
I'm not quite sure about my answer...
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Check out the big brain on Rurouni Densetsu!
I believe that the only reason it is at 18 right now, is due to the3 fact that at 18, you are alegal adult, and can do whatever you wish within the boundaries of the law.I see nothing wrong with someone who's reached both physical and mental sexual maturity looking at porn.
As for it being introduced into schools for educational purposes, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what sex ed is for? I don't really see why actual porn would be necessary.
Then again, i didn't go to sex ed, I chose to roam the halls of the school instead.
That's because sex-ed was boring and dry. But think if they gave you a pornographic DVD with all the sex-ed knowledge on there, amongst the porn... With DVD's, you can control the actions the user is allowed to do, so in order to see the porn, maybe you need to sit through 2 minutes of a lecture, or have 30 second educational commercials interspersed among the porn, so that way you can learn, and then see how it applies...
It would get a lot better youth attention than current teaching.
Most youth don't know that masturbating your partner is almost as dangerous as full-blown sex, or that oral sex is just as bad. They don't know that even condoms aren't 100% effective. Let them learn this in small bits, with appropriate visual aids in between, and they might learn... Something like a man pleasuring a woman while wearing latex gloves, or a woman giving a man with a condom a blowjob. So that they can see that safe sex is still fun.
No, Really. Bite me.
several things there i must remember...*takes out a pen and paper*
this is how good our sex-ed was.
edit: flavoured condoms. got it now. [ 04-25-2003: Message edited by: Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles ]
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles was all like:
okay, here's another part of it.If you caught your underage child looking at porn, what would you do?
I'm not quite sure about my answer...
I would ask them where they got it, laugh at the absurdly high price they paid, and then launch into a lecture about safe sex, and the necessity for discrete masturbation. Explain that I'm not angry, but that I'm concerned that they might rush into something they'll regret later. Explain that masturbation is normal, healthy, and accepted as long as it's kept private. And then show them my stash, so that they can spend their allowance on something else...
No, Really. Bite me.
It also relieves stress. Obviously.
*suddenly notices*
HEY! there's a lot of laid back people he... oh.
and in no way am I uptight about anything
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Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles thought about the meaning of life:
several things there i must remember...
*takes out a pen and paper*
this is how good our sex-ed was.
edit: flavoured condoms. got it now.
they spent more time on anatomy than on safety and other, actual important matters in my sex-ed classes, but luckily the erotic literature archive I read growing up was hosted by an OB/GYN. She wrote some of the stories, but she also had an "Information" section that had all sorts of neat stuff. Some was safe sex practices, others were guides to giving head, and everything in between. I learned a lot.
No, Really. Bite me.
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Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles impressed everyone with:
edit: flavoured condoms. got it now.
Apparantly those help, bur from my own experience: Please keep things trimmed and/or shaved, and practice good personal hygiene. Your man will thank you with his actions and his tongue.
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Beaukat a.k.a Nibbles obviously shouldn't have said:
(i.e. would you like to be a grandparent when your kid is 14?)
I'm not falling into the trap of claiming schools are ever dumbing down education--IQ tests, for instance, need to be made about 20 points "harder" per generation--but the consequences of having to stop learning and start producing are fairly severe at the sub-high school level.
What does that have to do with pr0n? I'll throw this out though -- what's "legal" varies a great deal by location even within the US. Standards are to be set by each "community" individually. That's great for keeping the local porn store away, but what does your community have to do with what you download on your computer? Some folks today don't even know their neighbors' names.
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We were all impressed when Kekvit Irae wrote:
Pornography is natural for humans. It dates all the way back to ancient Rome on the walls of Pompii(sp) as sort of a take-out menu, before it got demolished by the volcano, to WWII and noseart on warplanes, to today with the internet.
I agree with the statement "Whatever floats your boat," except for the stuff that is illegal in the country/state you live in.
But that just begs the question:
What should be illegal/legal?
If we reduced the legal age to purchase pornography, as discussed earlier in the thread, should we in turn lower the age to make pornography, such that 15 year olds can watch people their own age get laid? What are your views on waht types of pornography should be legal/illegal? Maybe have it such that you can only watch people within 10 years of your age on film?
No, Really. Bite me.
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Is it okay to look at pornography while you're in a dedicated relationship? Under what circumstances?[
Depends on the reasons. Yes it is if you and your partner engage in it together. It is ok if you look at it as a potential art form as opposed to something you can get your rocks off to. If you are doing it because something is lacking in your relationship, its bad.
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Is pornography inherently immoral and should be eliminated on principle? Or is just some pornography morally acceptible while other types are not?
Don't like certain types, dont watch it. Now, some are very very bad, like child pornography, as is anything that breaks any laws. But if its not illegal, I don't find it necessarily immoral. But then again, there are millions of types of pornogrophy that I have never heard of most likely.
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And lastly, at what age is watching pornography morally justifiable, if ever?
When your parents feel you are old enough to understand what is going on, or 18 years old, whichever comes first.
But as far as "age bracket" porn goes - I think it would be way to complicated to enforce.
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Falaanla Marr wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Depends on the reasons. Yes it is if you and your partner engage in it together. It is ok if you look at it as a potential art form as opposed to something you can get your rocks off to. If you are doing it because something is lacking in your relationship, its bad.
situation:
You're in a long-distance relationship (like a few people we know) and you're feeling horny. You have the urge to masturbate. Is it moral to masturbate to pornography under those circumstances?
No, Really. Bite me.
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Burger had this to say about Pirotess:
situation:
You're in a long-distance relationship (like a few people we know) and you're feeling horny. You have the urge to masturbate. Is it moral to masturbate to pornography under those circumstances?
I thin its fine uness on, or btoh, memebrs of the relatiponship dont want theother doign it, bbut i think thats a relationship to relationship thing, and such clauses apply for allsmot everythng, but in general, it hink its fine for poeple in long distance relationships to watch porn (then again, since me and my girlfirned started going out i haevnt looked at porn once, but meh, difrent stroek for difrent folks)
as for the age thing, the whole sex ed/dvd thing soudns to maek alto of sense, casue i know all i learend about during sex ed was what genital warts looked like, and that didnt make me not want to have sex, or even teach me hwot o haev safe sex other thent eh verycryptic USE A CONDOM, NO WE WOUDLNT TELL YOU HOW BECOUSE YOU SHOUDLNT HAVE TO, all sex ed did for me was give me an hour very week for me and other random kids to amek jokes abotu the sex ed teacher haveing gonerhia on his diarha and other equaly imature things
for age minum, nto sure if it realy amtters, if ia kid wnats porn in this day adn age, he'll easily get porn, but if a age is needed, maybe around 13/14
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How.... Burger.... uughhhhhh:
situation:
You're in a long-distance relationship (like a few people we know) and you're feeling horny. You have the urge to masturbate. Is it moral to masturbate to pornography under those circumstances?
omfg call up your chick 
It's actually very enlightning without being "just straight up porn", and would probably help a helluva lot more then any sex ed class.
I think the current Sex ed classes shouldn't be called sex ed, anyway. They're not teaching you about sex, they're telling you NOT to have it, use a condom if you do, and the consequences of doing so (STDs, pregnancy, etc.), but not the actual act.
Seems silly, to me.
Look at all the teen pregnancies now, am I the only one that thinks it may be caused by the increase of sex in the media to a younger audience? It would only get worse if full-blown (Pardon the pun) porn was allowed to 12 year olds.
It's "health".
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Rodent King had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Look at all the teen pregnancies now, am I the only one that thinks it may be caused by the increase of sex in the media to a younger audience? It would only get worse if full-blown (Pardon the pun) porn was allowed to 12 year olds.
There is no sex in the media, though, that's the thing.
Media shows everything but sex and actually leaves the real, dirty act out.
Types of porn that's morally 'okay'? Eh, that's tricky because everyone has their own interests and turns ons. Who knows? You're best friend could be addicted to self-aphixiation(sp) induced masturbation and not saying a single word on it.
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