At the end of the discussion, I came to the conclusion that Absolute morals only exist in absolute situations. For instance, "lying is wrong" is a general statement, and is not always true. But, "lying to a Nazi when you are hiding a Jew in your house is right" is closer to an absolute situation.
The problem is, is there such a thing as a situation that is truly absolute? And if there is such, than is it possible for humans to experience this?
What do you think?
"How can you ever hope to know the Beloved
Without becoming in every cell the Lover?
And when you are the Lover at last, you don't care.
Whatever you know or don't - only Love is real."
Evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb. - Dark Helmet
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From the book of McGiantt, chapter 3, verse 16:
No.
Why not?
"How can you ever hope to know the Beloved
Without becoming in every cell the Lover?
And when you are the Lover at last, you don't care.
Whatever you know or don't - only Love is real."
Evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb. - Dark Helmet
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
I say NOPE. Some people are psychopaths. Just because they don't have morals similar to the rest of humanity does not mae their morals wrong, invalid, or of less importance. Everyone's individuals hold the same significance. And there is not a single situation in which all people will agree.
[edit] damn your faster typing kekvit!!![/edit] [ 04-07-2003: Message edited by: Burger ]
No, Really. Bite me.
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Ack, after reading that, it sounds very anti-Christian, which it was in no way meant to be. I am merely pointing out those as they are the first examples that come to mind.
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Fazum'Zen Fastfist painfully thought these words up:
There was actually a big discussion on this in a section of Stranger in a Strange Land, so go read it.
my lord, my opinion of you just tripled once I found out you've read some heinlein...
No, Really. Bite me.
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So quoth Burger:
my lord, my opinion of you just tripled once I found out you've read some heinlein...
Three times zero is still zero. 
Just kidding, Faz.
To lie to cover up a mistake is amoral. To lie to spare Maradon's feelings is not bad and not good. To lie to save someone from the cyber Nazis of the modern day is good.
Dig it.
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Maradon XP had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I don't believe in morals
Then you won't mind if I steal your Jeep, yes?
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Iron Parcelan impressed everyone with:
Morality is highly situational.To lie to cover up a mistake is amoral. To lie to spare Maradon's feelings is not bad and not good. To lie to save someone from the cyber Nazis of the modern day is good.
Dig it.
Have to agree with Parce on this one. Find anyone who says they'd never lie and post the "Jews hiding from the Nazis" type question to them, and they'll crack. Lying is a bad act; you can't get through life and be good by lying about everything. At the same time you can't get through life telling the truth. You can get farther telling the truth than lying and remain a good person.
Violence is the same thing. No sane person WANTS to go to war. On the other hand, how badly do you want X to stop doing terrible things? Is it worth you doing a lesser terrible thing? If so, War is the option. If not, war is not the option. War is a terrible thing, but it is a necessary thing sometimes, and is not inherently immoral.
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We were all impressed when Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote:
Have to agree with Parce.
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Iron Parcelan stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
[QUOTE]We were all impressed when Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote:
[qb]Have to agree with Parce.
Savor it
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Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael painfully thought these words up:
Savor it
Sure will.
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Verily, Karnaj doth proclaim:
Then you won't mind if I steal your Jeep, yes?
I do believe that I'd probably karate chop you right in half if you tried!
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This insanity brought to you by Maradon XP:
I do believe that I'd probably karate chop you right in half if you tried!
I'll block you with my ninja stick!
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Sakkra thought about the meaning of life:
Well, here's an example about people knowing what is moral and what isn't. In the past, people "knew" it was moral to go butchering people by the thousands because of differences in religion (Unfortunately, some people still think that way now). People "knew" swordpoint conversions were moral. The church, the moral compass of the age, "knew" it was moral to punish Galileo, because they "knew" the Earth was flat and the Bible was infallable.Ack, after reading that, it sounds very anti-Christian, which it was in no way meant to be. I am merely pointing out those as they are the first examples that come to mind.
It's Ok, it's perfectly understandable. People of all religions and morals have done bad things. But there is one thing I would like to point out. I don't know if this is true of the Church, although I think it probably is, but Martin Luther "knew" that Galileo was right. He just thought that the public wasn't ready for it. Some people think they get to make all of the decisions.
"How can you ever hope to know the Beloved
Without becoming in every cell the Lover?
And when you are the Lover at last, you don't care.
Whatever you know or don't - only Love is real."
Evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb. - Dark Helmet
