I am looking to GM a new game. At this stage there is nothing definate, I am just looking for expressions of interest.
So..
Vote for tha game you'd MOST want to participate in, and also express interest in the thread itself for any other games you'd like to be a part of.
Once I've got a better idea of player numbers etc, I'll be able to develop the campaign ideas I've had (and been writing down) into a fully-fledged game. And, of course, the people that expressed interest will be offered first positions.
Fun for the whole family!!! YAY!!
But no matter whut it is I'd like to participate.
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But Cthulhu is a good second ^.^
Id participate in any of em if i could get a rule rundown on any system im unfamiliar with
Hear that abbi? i wanna play. Dont forget me
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Dr. Pvednes, PhD stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Whut about 3rd ed D&D?
I left out 3rd Ed DnD mainly cos a lot of other folks are running campaigns for it, but if folks want, I can always start one of those too...
I'd rather do something a little different though.. 
And yes Fal, I have you listed down.
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Awww no Changling?
wut??
I just did a litst and found that I have a total of 16 Pen&Paper RLG game system rule books at my disposal (as well as knowledge to run several a couple of Freeform based games), and probably have access to numerous others...
If anyone wnats to suggest anoither game system, I'll confirm if I've got it and add it to the list.
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Katrinity wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Changeling = World of Darkness game were you play mythical races(like pooh-kas, the Unseelie, etc) and the world is broken up into the real world and dreams or something.
Ahhh...
Well, I doidnt really like those games myself..
But..
Hunter: The Reckoning is a WoD game system where you play "imbued" humans who hunt vampires/werewolves/etc....
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about the Spice Girls:
d20 Star Wars > WEG Star Wars
Dunno Deth.... I prefered the West End Games version more than the d20 version myself...
.. but it's all subjective anyways. 
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Technically it's pookah, but yeah, Changeling is like the bastard child of the WoD games.
Everybody POOKAH!
In WEG why would you EVER play something other than a Jedi? Unless your game specifically fucks Jedi in the ass, forcing you all to be Han Solo (and even then), there's no reason to ever not be a Jedi. The game is grossly slanted in their favor.
d20 system, Jedi are powerful, but killable. Awe-inspiring, but not indestructable.
d20 Modern was good. They took it in a different direction from D&D, but that's okay. Some of the classes were...annoying, but there's all sorts of customization options. DL the free stuff off their site. It's good. I'm looking forward to the equipment guide. I'm praying they do a d20 Superheroes game.
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Aside from that I didnt think the Jedi were excessively powerful in the WEG game as opposed to the d20 version. Again, a matter of personal perspective.
I'm not a big fan of the d20 system, or the Steve Jackson GURPS style... not to say that either of them are bad systems.... just not really my forte..
Each system has it's own pros and it's own cons.. In each game there is usually a class that is slightly overpowered when compared to some of the others... but then in all the PnP RPGs I've been involved in i've never seen everyone flock to the overpowered class (unlike say DAoC, EQ, AO, et al MMORPGs where to have the uber class is to pwn..) More often folks in PnP RPGs tend to favour the less powerful classes because of the challenge of playing.
After all, its only about having fun, not pwning your friends, isn't it?
They gather their powers too fast, all the while becoming stronger in the Force. For instance...Sense allows you to Astrogate using the Force, yes? Meaning there's two or three skills you don't need. Control and Sense let you instinctively pilot well. You get a new force skill for every pip in a Force Power you take. So not only are you making all the other skills obsolete, you're also getting UBAR JEDI POWERS.
I understand Jedi are cool...but they're not the end-all, be-all. You have to bend a little ways away from what everyone fantasizes about to make it a satisfying experience to roleplay (unless you have a party of Jedi in which case believe me things get really funky).
d20 Star Wars levels it out better. Feats help big-time. And there's a limit to how badass a Jedi can be, even in a galaxy far far away.
Sorry I was in rant mode earlier. WEG Star Wars is one of those little RP wounds that never healed hehehehe
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In the WEG rules, Jedi could do everything your non-Jedi character could do, could probably do it better than your non-Jedi character, plus they had all these OTHER nice abilities. If you run a game with no Jedi in it (NPC or PC) then it's much more balanced, but then it's not really Star Wars.
In other words, why does the Jedi player character need the rest of the party around? It's nice to be needed. A WEG Jedi didn't need the rest of his or her party and actually would have to gimp their choices to keep the rest of the party useful. It happened to me repeatedly til I finally MADE a Jedi (ironically turning to my own personal Dark Side in doing so) and gave up trying to be special.
d20 system's Star Wars balances things out SO much more nicely. Non-Jedi have just as much cool stuff as Jedi do.
As for GURPS...eh...I'm of two minds on GURPS. If the rules say you can be anything and do anything with your points, should you? On one hand I like their rules for Supers (it's a lot like their Psi rules...you have a Power Level and a Skill Level)...on the other hand GURPS was designed to leave literally EVERYTHING in the hands of the storyteller, and that is soooooo tedious sometimes. There's no really good books that give stats for throwaway stormtroopers or ninjas or whatever. What's the damage capacity of a thirty foot stretch of wooden wall? What's the damage capacity of a Geo Storm? How far can someone with 30 ST throw a motorcycle?
So GURPS gets some points, but I'll agree it's not the ideal gaming system. To be honest, most GURPS games I've played have ended up having characters specializing in things so much that you might as well play D&D or some other Superhero game (though I loathe Palladium)
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Sorry I was in rant mode earlier. WEG Star Wars is one of those little RP wounds that never healed hehehehe
Hehehe.. No problem.
In the instances you mentioned, yes Jedi were madly overpowered. But any good GM would have been able to weild the nerf bat.
When you actually consider the timeframe the game was supposed to cover, the idea of having Jedi in there was only to try to lure the 'fanbois' in and get them purchasing stuff under the mistaken belief that it was "merchandise".
Real RPGers (in general) didn't use Jedi, because after Kenobi was killed there were no Jedi to train anyone (nor was there any real mention of an Alien Culture with inherent Force powers in the canon literature of the time either AFAIK). hence, the vast majority of RPG groups I knew (either personally or via friends) left Jedi out of the games totally. Indeed, the most common "party" in WEG SW games was: Smuggler (instant access to a ship), Brash Pilot (leet pilot skillz, yo), Bounty Hunter (at least 1 depending on size of group), and Engineer (R2 droid to pwn). Very rarely included any other character types, depending on the type of campaign being played (and the vast majority of campaigns had the 'party' working as part of a Rebel Alliance 'strike force" somewhere).
here's been very few RPGs that I've not enjoyed playing, but I put that down to the groups I've been involved with. No-one was interested in being uber-powerful compared to other players. Instead it was more about character interaction and role-playing that "leet fightz and phat lewt".
As we both know, it all comes down to personal preference in the end.
Btw, Deth.. what did you and Lyinar vote for in my poll anyways??
1. It's pre-Empire.
2. It's the Imperial Age, but you're undercover (this was the worst because your control let you conceal your Force strength...it was an excuse to up your force skills and make your Jedi ubar)
3. Expanded Universe (Luke's Jedi)
And none of those (except for the second) were inherently bad ideas. I just wish the system wasn't so slanted in the favor of Jedi. *shrugs*
I voted CoC. Whereas WEG Star Wars is a scab on a deep wound that never healed, I always had oodles of dark, sometimes sinisterly hilarious fun with Call of Cthulhu. Haven't picked up the d20 CoC stuff yet...hear it's mostly a port of the old Chaosium version...if it keeps the flavor of the old, I'll be happy.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Knight Rider:
Eh...all the games I played in assumed one of several things:1. It's pre-Empire.
2. It's the Imperial Age, but you're undercover (this was the worst because your control let you conceal your Force strength...it was an excuse to up your force skills and make your Jedi ubar)
3. Expanded Universe (Luke's Jedi)And none of those (except for the second) were inherently bad ideas. I just wish the system wasn't so slanted in the favor of Jedi. *shrugs*
Hmmm.. in those kinda terms I can see why the Jedi were so over-powered...
Most games I was involved in were set post-Death Star ka-blooie, pre-Hoth... so we dropped the whole Jedi idea since Kenobi was the last known Jedi...
Mighta been interesting to see how the game worked in the timelines you guys were using... (I'm guessing the post-Hoth, just-pre-RotJ days)
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I voted CoC. Whereas WEG Star Wars is a scab on a deep wound that never healed, I always had oodles of dark, sometimes sinisterly hilarious fun with Call of Cthulhu. Haven't picked up the d20 CoC stuff yet...hear it's mostly a port of the old Chaosium version...if it keeps the flavor of the old, I'll be happy.
I saw some of the new d20 CoC stuff in the store the other day when I happened to be passing by. Only took a quick glance, so cant actually comment on it either way.
Also noticed the store had a copy of GURPS 'Cyberthulu" though.. a mixture of Cyberpunk and CoC set in the GURPS system..
Thankfully I made my SAN roll and was able to escape, although I think I lost a few points of SAN, so I'm kinda dreading the next encounter......
Insanity 2 win!
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Also noticed the store had a copy of GURPS 'Cyberthulu" though.. a mixture of Cyberpunk and CoC set in the GURPS system..
Thankfully I made my SAN roll and was able to escape, although I think I lost a few points of SAN, so I'm kinda dreading the next encounter......
... I.. am at the same time perplexed, confused, and incredibly curious.
Time to steal mom's purse and shop.
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I saw some of the new d20 CoC stuff in the store the other day when I happened to be passing by. Only took a quick glance, so cant actually comment on it either way.Also noticed the store had a copy of GURPS 'Cyberthulu" though.. a mixture of Cyberpunk and CoC set in the GURPS system..
Thankfully I made my SAN roll and was able to escape, although I think I lost a few points of SAN, so I'm kinda dreading the next encounter......
You mean "CthulhuPunk" for GURPS? Yeah I flipped through it. Even if you don't like the GURPS books, I have to give them credit; they're brilliant idea books for when you're feeling a little low on big ideas for a game.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael was all like:
You mean "CthulhuPunk" for GURPS? Yeah I flipped through it.
Yeah.. that one..
Told ya it cost me SAN points...
There's a GURPS Discworld and GURPS Discworld 2 out. Sweet, sweet books indeed. And the "Illuminati University" (IOU) supplement was hilarious.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
well I had to ask because GURPS books that are popular tend to have sequels with similar but different names. So CyberCthulhu could've been a sequel to Cthulhupunk hehehehe
Now you've got me cofused.. I can't remember if it was CthulhuPunk or what...
INT Points... slipping... away...
Starting... to talk... Like.... William Shatner...
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Verily, AbbigailSD doth proclaim:Btw, Deth.. what did you and Lyinar vote for in my poll anyways??
I voted Cyberpunk, but it was a toss up between that and Wild West RPG. I'm a big fan of that era.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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However... having read the Star Wars d20 PHB, I was horrified by the use of kits as classes. In 3rd Ed D&D, kits turned into prestige classes. In SW, they turned into honest to god classes somehow.
I'm sorry, a Noble is not a class. Classes are supposed to be things with different abilities and/or access to high levels of different abilities, not a person with an advantage that can and should be earned through the use of roleplaying.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Technically it's pookah, but yeah, Changeling is like the bastard child of the WoD games.
Which is sad, 'coz after Mage, It's my favorite to run, and third favorite to play after werewolf and mage.
1: AD&D (1stEd - 2nd Ed) OLD SKOOL!!
6 (19.35%)
2: Boot Hill (Wild West RP goodness!!)
1 (3.23%)
3: Call of Cthulhu
7 (22.58%)
4: Cyberpunk
8 (25.81%)
5: Hunter: the Reckoning
4 (12.90%)
6: Star Trek (3 versions possible: TOS, TNG, Freeform)
2 (6.45%)
7: Star Wars
2 (6.45%)
8: Twilight: 2000 (1st ed - 2nd Ed)
0 (0.00%)
9: Mechwarrior (Old Skool Battletech RP - NO Clans!)
1 (3.23%)
[EDIT] I realized some people might not want to know the results yet... [ 02-23-2003: Message edited by: Ford Prefect ]
I must say that CyberPunk would be nice also
(Fusion system im Great, i have the books for New Fusion system rules for Bubble-gum crisis, very good)
I have books for the two, and mostly for anything you need, i can scan any info you need also
my offer still stands if you need one more player, but it's ok if it's full
Vampire?