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Pancake
posted 02-16-2003 05:10:29 AM
Here is a transcrip of U.S. Senator Robert Byrd's Speech he delivered upon the floor of the Senate on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 that I found over at Aint it cool news.

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Published on Wednesday, February 12, 2003

by CommonDreams.Org

Reckless Administration May Reap Disastrous Consequences

by US Senator Robert Byrd

Senate Floor Speech - Wednesday, February 12, 2003

To contemplate war is to think about the most horrible of human experiences. On this February day, as this nation stands at the brink of battle, every American on some level must be contemplating the horrors of war.

Yet, this Chamber is, for the most part, silent -- ominously, dreadfully silent. There is no debate, no discussion, no attempt to lay out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war. There is nothing.

We stand passively mute in the United States Senate, paralyzed by our own uncertainty, seemingly stunned by the sheer turmoil of events. Only on the editorial pages of our newspapers is there much substantive discussion of the prudence or imprudence of engaging in this particular war.

And this is no small conflagration we contemplate. This is no simple attempt to defang a villain. No. This coming battle, if it materializes, represents a turning point in U.S. foreign policy and possibly a turning point in the recent history of the world.

This nation is about to embark upon the first test of a revolutionary doctrine applied in an extraordinary way at an unfortunate time. The doctrine of preemption -- the idea that the United States or any other nation can legitimately attack a nation that is not imminently threatening but may be threatening in the future -- is a radical new twist on the traditional idea of self defense. It appears to be in contravention of international law and the UN Charter. And it is being tested at a time of world-wide terrorism, making many countries around the globe wonder if they will soon be on our hit list. High level Administration figures recently refused to take nuclear weapons off of the table when discussing a possible attack against Iraq. What could be more destabilizing and unwise than this type of uncertainty, particularly in a world where globalism has tied the vital economic and security interests of many nations so closely together? There are huge cracks emerging in our time-honored alliances, and U.S. intentions are suddenly subject to damaging worldwide speculation. Anti-Americanism based on mistrust, misinformation, suspicion, and alarming rhetoric from U.S. leaders is fracturing the once solid alliance against global terrorism which existed after September 11.

Here at home, people are warned of imminent terrorist attacks with little guidance as to when or where such attacks might occur. Family members are being called to active military duty, with no idea of the duration of their stay or what horrors they may face. Communities are being left with less than adequate police and fire protection. Other essential services are also short-staffed. The mood of the nation is grim. The economy is stumbling. Fuel prices are rising and may soon spike higher.

This Administration, now in power for a little over two years, must be judged on its record. I believe that that record is dismal.

In that scant two years, this Administration has squandered a large projected surplus of some $5.6 trillion over the next decade and taken us to projected deficits as far as the eye can see. This Administration's domestic policy has put many of our states in dire financial condition, under funding scores of essential programs for our people. This Administration has fostered policies which have slowed economic growth. This Administration has ignored urgent matters such as the crisis in health care for our elderly. This Administration has been slow to provide adequate funding for homeland security. This Administration has been reluctant to better protect our long and porous borders.

In foreign policy, this Administration has failed to find Osama bin Laden. In fact, just yesterday we heard from him again marshaling his forces and urging them to kill. This Administration has split traditional alliances, possibly crippling, for all time, International order-keeping entities like the United Nations and NATO. This Administration has called into question the traditional worldwide perception of the United States as well-intentioned, peacekeeper. This Administration has turned the patient art of diplomacy into threats, labeling, and name calling of the sort that reflects quite poorly on the intelligence and sensitivity of our leaders, and which will have consequences for years to come.

Calling heads of state pygmies, labeling whole countries as evil, denigrating powerful European allies as irrelevant -- these types of crude insensitivities can do our great nation no good. We may have massive military might, but we cannot fight a global war on terrorism alone. We need the cooperation and friendship of our time-honored allies as well as the newer found friends whom we can attract with our wealth. Our awesome military machine will do us little good if we suffer another devastating attack on our homeland which severely damages our economy. Our military manpower is already stretched thin and we will need the augmenting support of those nations who can supply troop strength, not just sign letters cheering us on.

The war in Afghanistan has cost us $37 billion so far, yet there is evidence that terrorism may already be starting to regain its hold in that region. We have not found bin Laden, and unless we secure the peace in Afghanistan, the dark dens of terrorism may yet again flourish in that remote and devastated land.

Pakistan as well is at risk of destabilizing forces. This Administration has not finished the first war against terrorism and yet it is eager to embark on another conflict with perils much greater than those in Afghanistan. Is our attention span that short? Have we not learned that after winning the war one must always secure the peace?

And yet we hear little about the aftermath of war in Iraq. In the absence of plans, speculation abroad is rife.

Will we seize Iraq's oil fields, becoming an occupying power which controls the price and supply of that nation's oil for the foreseeable future?

To whom do we propose to hand the reigns of power after Saddam Hussein?

Will our war inflame the Muslim world resulting in devastating attacks on Israel?

Will Israel retaliate with its own nuclear arsenal?

Will the Jordanian and Saudi Arabian governments be toppled by radicals, bolstered by Iran which has much closer ties to terrorism than Iraq?

Could a disruption of the world's oil supply lead to a world-wide recession?

Has our senselessly bellicose language and our callous disregard of the interests and opinions of other nations increased the global race to join the nuclear club and made proliferation an even more lucrative practice for nations which need the income?

In only the space of two short years this reckless and arrogant Administration has initiated policies which may reap disastrous consequences for years.

One can understand the anger and shock of any President after the savage attacks of September 11. One can appreciate the frustration of having only a shadow to chase and an amorphous, fleeting enemy on which it is nearly impossible to exact retribution. But to turn one's frustration and anger into the kind of extremely destabilizing and dangerous foreign policy debacle that the world is currently witnessing is inexcusable from any Administration charged with the awesome power and responsibility of guiding the destiny of the greatest superpower on the planet. Frankly many of the pronouncements made by this Administration are outrageous. There is no other word.

Yet this chamber is hauntingly silent. On what is possibly the eve of horrific infliction of death and destruction on the population of the nation of Iraq -- a population, I might add, of which over 50% is under age 15 -- this chamber is silent. On what is possibly only days before we send thousands of our own citizens to face unimagined horrors of chemical and biological warfare -- this chamber is silent. On the eve of what could possibly be a vicious terrorist attack in retaliation for our attack on Iraq, it is business as usual in the United States Senate.

We are truly "sleepwalking through history." In my heart of hearts I pray that this great nation and its good and trusting citizens are not in for a rudest of awakenings.

To engage in war is always to pick a wild card. And war must always be a last resort, not a first choice. I truly must question the judgment of any President who can say that a massive unprovoked military attack on a nation which is over 50% children is "in the highest moral traditions of our country". This war is not necessary at this time. Pressure appears to be having a good result in Iraq. Our mistake was to put ourselves in a corner so quickly. Our challenge is to now find a graceful way out of a box of our own making. Perhaps there is still a way if we allow more time.


The man speaks the truth, I support him.

Discuss!

[ 02-16-2003: Message edited by: Delyl Caledor ]

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 02-16-2003 08:26:23 AM
I agree with that man.
(Or with whoever wrote that speech for him.)
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 02-16-2003 09:30:09 AM
I fell asleep about halfway through.
You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 02-16-2003 10:15:29 AM
That speech actually makes me want to follow politics. It's the first political speech I have ever heard or read that I have wanted to agree with rather than argue with.
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Pancake
posted 02-16-2003 12:09:42 PM
Oh that's scarry that the senate are all stuck not doin anything about a war.....ugh Lovely.
Stupid people do stupid things, smart people out smart each other...
Maradon!
posted 02-16-2003 12:21:43 PM
Another fine example of self-imposed ignorance.

Not that I expected much from a KKK recruiter

Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 02-16-2003 01:57:58 PM
quote:
We were all impressed when Maradon XP wrote:
Another fine example of self-imposed ignorance.

Not that I expected much from a KKK recruiter


"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 02-16-2003 02:02:33 PM
Mind pointing out what's wrong with that speech?
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Maradon!
posted 02-16-2003 02:09:16 PM
quote:
Tarquinn had this to say about (_|_):
Mind pointing out what's wrong with that speech?

The base assumption that Iraq poses no threat to anyone. It's like it's a liberal reflex to canonize Saddam Hussein for as long as a republican president is in office.

Funny thing is, these are the same people who were all behind the Clinton administration's action in Iraq. Now, all of a sudden, it's become a game of "what obstacles can we throw in front of the president?"

I'm not even going to get into the idiocy underlying this speech again here. See my other thread.

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Pancake
posted 02-16-2003 02:12:32 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Maradon XP:
[QB]The base assumption that Iraq poses no threat to anyone. It's like it's a liberal reflex to canonize Saddam Hussein for as long as a republican president is in office.

He's not saying that Iraq poses no threat to us, what he is saying is that our actions may not get the results we intended(or wanted). He's saying that war should always be a last result, not a first result as Bush seems to view it.

Maradon!
posted 02-16-2003 02:20:43 PM
quote:
Delyl Caledor had this to say about Duck Tales:
He's not saying that Iraq poses no threat to us, what he is saying is that our actions may not get the results we intended(or wanted). He's saying that war should always be a last result, not a first result as Bush seems to view it.

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the idea that the United States or any other nation can legitimately attack a nation that is not imminently threatening but may be threatening in the future

You read the speech, right?

The only thing else I see is more liberal "1.4 Trillion - 300 Billion = 0!" finger pointing, baseless accusations, speculation, and very little fact.

It's the sort of speech an enraged thirteen year old would write.

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Pancake
posted 02-16-2003 02:20:47 PM
quote:
Maradon XP enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
I'm not even going to get into the idiocy underlying this speech again here. See my other thread.

Perhaps you should read this paragraph again.

quote:
Calling heads of state pygmies, labeling whole countries as evil, denigrating powerful European allies as irrelevant -- these types of crude insensitivities can do our great nation no good. We may have massive military might, but we cannot fight a global war on terrorism alone. We need the cooperation and friendship of our time-honored allies as well as the newer found friends whom we can attract with our wealth. Our awesome military machine will do us little good if we suffer another devastating attack on our homeland which severely damages our economy. Our military manpower is already stretched thin and we will need the augmenting support of those nations who can supply troop strength, not just sign letters cheering us on.
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Pancake
posted 02-16-2003 02:23:20 PM
quote:
Maradon XP had this to say about Knight Rider:
You read the speech, right?

Yes I read the speech. Just because he was the one to announce it doesn't mean that he agrees with it. Don't shoot the messanger.

Suddar
posted 02-16-2003 02:37:06 PM
I love the way that terrorism just didn't exist before September 11th, according to this genius.

I don't like war either, but this guy's an idiot.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 02-16-2003 02:41:40 PM
quote:
Suddar had this to say about pies:
I love the way that terrorism just didn't exist before September 11th, according to this genius.

I don't like war either, but this guy's an idiot.


When did he say that?

He was talking of the alliance against terrorism that was formed after a September 11th.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Suddar
posted 02-16-2003 02:48:16 PM
I must've read it wrong, then. Then I take back what I said about that.

I still can't say I agree with him. I don't completely agree with Bush either, though. I dunno.

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Pancake
posted 02-16-2003 10:08:33 PM
What don't you agree with him about?
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