Looks like the Palasinian terrorist groups are starting to realise that they are facing a country who is fed up with thier shit and is willing to do what it must to stop them.
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Azizza wrote this stupid crap:
Looks like the Palasinian terrorist groups are starting to realise that they are facing a country who is fed up with thier shit and is willing to do what it must to stop them.
Sounds to me like the two groups in question didn't want to go because they're usually not invited. This time, they are, but it was hard to believe that it was an honest invite at first.
They're going to talk about stopping attacks for one year, to attempt to sway Israeli elections. Just one year. Mind you, the two groups in question sound likely to stand against it.
code:
do {
$israel->kill($palestine);
$palestine->kill($israel);
until(temperature($hell)<0));
P.S.
Israel just doesn't get the negative connotation because *shock* they're not.. them evil terrorist people! In the mean time, they too murder. Except you never get to see or hear about it because Israel doesn't like it, and lord knows US media is totally impartial... really.. stop laughing.
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MadCat the 2nd enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
lord knows US media is totally impartial... really.. stop laughing.
Oh yeah, cause every american is stupid and doesn't know better than to be told what they should hear by the government and the media! 
Take that highhorse somewhere else plz k thx.
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MadCat the 2nd had this to say about Robocop:
Actually, Israel is just as bad as the Palestines. Neither side just wants to admit they're wrong, neither side wants to open negotiations to prevent being seen as weak, and the entire conflict can be expressed as follows:code:
do {
$israel->kill($palestine);
$palestine->kill($israel);
until(temperature($hell)<0));P.S.
Israel just doesn't get the negative connotation because *shock* they're not.. them evil terrorist people! In the mean time, they too murder. Except you never get to see or hear about it because Israel doesn't like it, and lord knows US media is totally impartial... really.. stop laughing.
You're forgetting that middle east people are inherently evil. Comes with birth.
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Skaw had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Oh yeah, cause every american is stupid and doesn't know better than to be told what they should hear by the government and the media!
Take that highhorse somewhere else plz k thx.
Even if he was sarcastic about it and has made some *cough*anti-America*cough* posts in the past, he does have a point. American media, and all media for that matter, has always been controlled by someone or another. To say the media is totally impartial is pretty laughable.
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Talonus had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Even if he was sarcastic about it and has made some *cough*anti-America*cough* posts in the past, he does have a point. American media, and all media for that matter, has always been controlled by someone or another. To say the media is totally impartial is pretty laughable.
I agree completely, but the fact remains that mot everyone in the US knows that already
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Verily, MadCat the 2nd doth proclaim:
and lord knows US media is totally impartial... really.. stop laughing.
That goes for all media, not just the US.
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Zaza got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
You're forgetting that middle east people are inherently evil. Comes with birth.
Hmm, quite the racist aren't ya?
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Reynar had this to say about Pirotess:
That goes for all media, not just the US.
Depends. Swedish media has a tradition of being partial towards the underdog, so here you only hear of Israeli atrocities, whereas Palestinian bombings are hushed away.
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MadCat the 2nd's account was hax0red to write:
Hmm, quite the racist aren't ya?
Please don't tell me you took that seriously. Please.
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ACES! Another post by Zaza:
Depends. Swedish media has a tradition of being partial towards the underdog, so here you only hear of Israeli atrocities, whereas Palestinian bombings are hushed away.
You just agreed with me.
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Reynar stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
You just agreed with me.
Well, yes. Just meant the nature of the partiality depends, since MadCat was talking about media partial to Israel, not Palestine.
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Who's there?
Israel?
Israel who?
Israel nice to meetcha! [ 01-22-2003: Message edited by: Judge Gydyon ]
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Let's see how much controversy I can cause with the following.
About half of the U.S. foreign aid budget each year goes to Israel in a lump sum. We provide cash and loan guarantees, not relief supplies (and no weapons).
Of that amount, Israel spends approximately 20% on aid to its citizens, and 80% on weaponry. As a result, Israel has the third or fourth largest standing army in the world behind the U.S., Russia, and China I believe. Someone will have to check me on that.
Theory: If the U.S. cut off funding in their next budget, say to pay for tax cuts, the war in the Middle East would end the next day because Israel would be forced to broker for peace.
Conclusions? If you disagree with this, please tell me. I got these figures from a conference, and don't have the backup, so I would appreciate any clarifications. [ 01-22-2003: Message edited by: Judge Gydyon ]
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Actually they have been invited many times before. With the stipulation that they stop the bombings. They refused and were told to take a hike.
That doesn't make it an actual invite, now does it?
That's kinda like inviting Isreal to those same talks, as long as they agree to stop using their military.
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Palador ChibiDragon spewed forth this undeniable truth:
That doesn't make it an actual invite, now does it?That's kinda like inviting Isreal to those same talks, as long as they agree to stop using their military.
The two are nothing alike actually.. You may be able to argue that it is like two warring nations trying to have peace talks but only if both agree to a ceasefire durring the talks.. Isreal Agreed. The other side kept on bombing.
However that isn't even really accurate because you are not dealing with one military attacking another. You are dealing with a bunch of fanatics who get off on blowing up Isreali women and children. Isreal told them to stop killing people long enhough for talks to go on. These groups responded by blowing up more Isreali shopping centers..
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From the book of Judge Gydyon, chapter 3, verse 16:
Theory: If the U.S. cut off funding in their next budget, say to pay for tax cuts, the war in the Middle East would end the next day because Israel would be forced to broker for peace.Conclusions?
I'm not sure that's the only way it could play out.
The weapons and army wouldn't suddenly disappear, they would still be there. Isreal just wouldn't have the money to maintain them after a couple of weeks. So, they might decide to make a big push, and end it all right then and there. Rather than risk being unable to defend themselves, they might try to wipe their opponents off the map for good.
Of course, our cutting funding to Isreal doesn't stop the Palestinian groups from having weapons. Cutting Isreal's funds might inspire them to continue fighting, as they would know that they could slowly chip away at Isreal's forces, and Isreal won't be able to replace them. Isreal might go down in a slow burn of flames, even if they do try for peace.
Third option is for Isreal to get the money another way. Conquest and landrape has allways been a good way to get the money flowing in, and what part of the world is better suited for that than the Middle East? It's not like they have many friends there anyway.
However, does it seem odd to any of you that we fight for peace in the middle east while giving Israel all it needs to continue to wage the war and contribute to continuing instability?
Just playing devil's advocate, but I think that's at least potentially a real issue here.
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Azizza stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
The two are nothing alike actually.. You may be able to argue that it is like two warring nations trying to have peace talks but only if both agree to a ceasefire durring the talks.. Isreal Agreed. The other side kept on bombing.However that isn't even really accurate because you are not dealing with one military attacking another. You are dealing with a bunch of fanatics who get off on blowing up Isreali women and children. Isreal told them to stop killing people long enhough for talks to go on. These groups responded by blowing up more Isreali shopping centers..
The two are VERY alike.
By and large, Isreal is winning. Worse (from the Palestinian point of view), they are wining with more than just force of arms. They are financially crushing their foes, day in and day out. Also, Isreal and Isreali settlers become harder to push out with each passing day.
As the Palestinian groups see it, they can't let up. If they do, Isreal gains ground, even if no shots are fired. The Palestinian groups don't have the large machines of war to stop this with, so they use whatever they can.
Oh, and as for calling them "a bunch of fanatics who get off on blowing up Isreali women and children"? You and I both know that there's far more to it than that, just as we both know that the Isreali army isn't "a bunch of fanatics who get off on shooting holes through Palestinian women and children". Both sides are doing terrible things to innocent people. That happens in a war, like it or not.
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Judge Gydyon was listening to Cher while typing:
I agree it's not the only possible resolution.However, does it seem odd to any of you that we fight for peace in the middle east while giving Israel all it needs to continue to wage the war and contribute to continuing instability?
Just playing devil's advocate, but I think that's at least potentially a real issue here.
I don't think either side is in the right in this. But I agree that cutting off funding isn't going to solve things. I think eventually if Israel didn't make a large push, we would see the situations reversed: Palestine as the successful country picking on Israel and Israeli civilians doing the retaliating like Palestine is now.
Don't ask me what I think the solution is. I'm not a politician. Maybe they need an outside party to mediate or something, though. It's getting pretty obvious they can't solve things on their own.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Judge Gydyon had this to say about John Romero:
I agree it's not the only possible resolution.However, does it seem odd to any of you that we fight for peace in the middle east while giving Israel all it needs to continue to wage the war and contribute to continuing instability?
Just playing devil's advocate, but I think that's at least potentially a real issue here.
Oh, I agree with you on that. I'm not sure we should cut all funds, but if we scaled 'em back some, Isreal might be more inclined to make peace.
Yeah that makes sense.
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Azizza had this to say about dark elf butts:
So we should weaken our greatest ally over there and the one country who had been willing to bend over backwards to make peace in the area?Yeah that makes sense.
Not to be unfair, Az, but destroying civilian buildings just because they deem them built illegally doesn't seem like they're bending over backwards for peace to me.
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Azizza had this to say about dark elf butts:
So we should weaken our greatest ally over there and the one country who had been willing to bend over backwards to make peace in the area?Yeah that makes sense.
Funny, I thought the Israelis were violating the peace treaties by repoulating the settlements they agreed to give up.
I'm not saying the Palestinians are saints (damn far from it), but to even intimate that Israel is "bending over backwards for peace" is nonsensical.
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Do you trully expect them to sit by while that happens?
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Judge Gydyon stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Funny, I thought the Israelis were violating the peace treaties by repoulating the settlements they agreed to give up.I'm not saying the Palestinians are saints (damn far from it), but to even intimate that Israel is "bending over backwards for peace" is nonsensical.
Waves a little "Israel is hooray" flag.
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Verily, Azizza doth proclaim:
Isreal has offerend free and clear all the land that was taken in previous wars. They were told it was not enough and attacked.Do you trully expect them to sit by while that happens?
How the hell is that related to the settlements?
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Azizza had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Isreal has offerend free and clear all the land that was taken in previous wars. They were told it was not enough and attacked.Do you trully expect them to sit by while that happens?
Maybe not, but then by definition they are not bending over backwards for peace. At least that's how I define it -- maybe making war is bending over backwards for peace in your vocabulary.
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Nobody really understood why Azizza wrote:
Isreal has offerend free and clear all the land that was taken in previous wars. They were told it was not enough and attacked.Do you trully expect them to sit by while that happens?
Hell no. Problem is, each side sees the other as the attacker. Each side will defend itself to the bitter end, every way that they can.
Don't forget, "all the land taken in previous wars" isn't all the land in question. Nor is this just a war about land.
No slight towards patriots, but ah, you can go a tad -too- far with it.. ya know *waves his Netherlands=ub0r flag around*
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