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OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 01-14-2003 09:13:15 PM
How does the "Changing people into Borg" thing go?

Like in First Contact when a borg dude puts a little slithery thing from his hand/arm into a human's neck.

How does it change them?

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Suddar
posted 01-14-2003 09:14:16 PM
Extensive nanoprograming.
King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 01-14-2003 09:14:55 PM
STD.
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 01-14-2003 09:16:01 PM
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Inferno-Spirit
Sports Advocate
posted 01-14-2003 09:17:28 PM
Brain Orgasm.
"He lets the last Hungarian go, and he goes running. He waits until his wife and kids are in the ground and he goes after the rest of the mob. He kills their kids, he kills their wives, he kills their parents and their parents' friends. He burns down the houses they grew up in and the stores they work in, he kills people that owe them money. And like that he was gone. Underground. No one has ever seen him again. He becomes a myth, a spook story that criminals tell their kids at night. 'If you rat on your pop, Keyser Soze will get you.' And nobody really ever believes." - Roger 'Verbal' Kint, The Usual Suspects
Soldar
I'll take two of anything, please. To go.
posted 01-14-2003 09:17:41 PM
Sexually transmitted nanoprogramming.

You know when someone wants to make love to code?

This time, the code makes love to you.

Suddar
posted 01-14-2003 09:18:42 PM
quote:
Soldar Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Sexually transmitted nanoprogramming.

You know when someone wants to make love to code?

This time, the code makes love to you.


Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 01-14-2003 09:18:53 PM
According to Voyager (which I am loathe to reference), they jab a nanoprobe into your neck and inject oodles of little nanomachines in that "prime" the body and construct the necessary internal alterations. Shock troops usually develop a necrotic pallor to their skin but otherwise remain unaltered (IE haven't had limbs hacked off, etc). From there, the borg can disassemble the living person with minimal shock, presumably (nanomachines prepping the body for the removal, etc) and the borg then assemble the mechanical hardware.

I hate what they did with the Borg, though. Took a good villain and made them irritating in Voyager.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 01-14-2003 09:21:21 PM
Hmm...Ok

I am interested in the Biological aspects of this.

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Drysart
Pancake
posted 01-14-2003 09:26:58 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Soldar said this:
You know when someone wants to make love to code?
This time, the code makes love to you.

Borg are from Soviet Russia?

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 01-14-2003 09:27:45 PM
Few million nanoprobes injected, which then attach themselves to the blood cells, altering them as they go, which then head their way to the bone marrow and replicate, till there's enough to go through body, then a large number cluster round the brain and the new drone's dragged off to be butchered and have robotic parts attached.
Lee Taxx0r
Pancake
posted 01-14-2003 09:28:49 PM
quote:
Drysart had this to say about Tron:
Borg are from Soviet Russia?

I was thinking the same thing...lol

Cotto
Pancake
posted 01-14-2003 09:30:21 PM
But before all that the Mummy Borg and the Daddy borg love each other very much...
My head may be level with your hands. But your groin is level with my teeth!
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 01-14-2003 09:32:54 PM
That's about all I know about it, actually. They more or less re-wire the brain, that much I know. They install a sort of Borg uplink thingy so you can receive the broadcast from the hive mind. Same uplink can act as a kill switch if you're disconnected from the collective (they learned that letting folks in the Federation living members of the collective to figure out is a bad thing, I gather).

Process has gotten harder to reverse, though. Picard was lucky; he was taken later in life, so his body wasn't dependent on the implants (IE it had a default state it could go back to once all the hardware was removed), whereas 7 of 9 was taken as a prepubescent child, so she grew into maturity relying on implants (no ground state). If you got a Borg who avoided the killswitch back to a science/medical facility fast, you could probably clone the implant-damaged parts and install them on the person as you removed the implants, but then there's the question of extensive psychological damage.

Grow up in the hive, and like growing up in any society it's hard to shake that off. Even worse, given that the hive mind is always a presence in the back of your head, plus it's rigidly ordered.

I played in a Star Trek PBEM for a long while that had a rather clever Borg adventure. Voyager ruined the Borg.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Mightion Defensor
posted 01-14-2003 09:42:09 PM
It usually begins with a Microsoft licensing acreement.
Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 01-14-2003 10:05:34 PM
^^^^

On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Freschel Spindrift
Caucasian
posted 01-15-2003 12:06:03 AM
Nope Rick Berman ruined the Borg.
Who's that crazy kook that's destroying the world. It's Zorc (That's me) It's Zorc and Pals.
Bakura: Did you forget our anniversary, again? (laughter)
Zorc: Yes, I was busy destroying the world (laughter) Slaughtering millions. (Laughter)
Bakura: That's my Zorc.
The blood of the innocents will flow without end. His name is Zorc, and he's destroying the world.
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-15-2003 12:07:08 AM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael painfully thought these words up:
I played in a Star Trek PBEM for a long while that had a rather clever Borg adventure.

With which sim group and when?

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Led
*kaboom*
posted 01-15-2003 12:08:40 AM
I liked Voyager
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-15-2003 12:20:37 AM
The minute Voyager lost all its entertainment value for me was when they used the nanoprobes in open space to kill Species 8472. You can only overlook horrible butchering of science for so long, and that just sealed the deal for me.
That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 01-15-2003 12:32:47 AM
quote:
Karnaj attempted to be funny by writing:
With which sim group and when?

Oh this was about...hmm...two years ago, maybe? I was just getting back together with Lyinar. RL friend of mine was playing it. I'll see if I can dig up the emails, get the name of the list and such for you if you want.


And it may well be that Rick Berman is the plague on TNG. I dunno. The series started off really good; the tech in the series was based off of real world Tech. Sizes of ships and stations, crew compliments, etc were all tied into real world ideas. Roddenberry was VERY specific about that. He wanted to tell fantastic stories, but it was very important to him that it all be rooted down. His stories were almost like metaphors or allegories, just like the original series had been (a multi-racial crew all working together, the Klingons representing the then-threat of the Soviets, etc).

When the Borg were introduced, it was poking fun at the fact so many people were increasingly slaves to Television or technology in general...that what was supposed to make life easier was possibly getting out of hand. Romulans were a threat not because they had cloaking devices (they had that in the original series), but because they were brilliant people who could, in theory, match the Federation move for move.

Instead, after Roddenberry's death, the Romulans manipulate the Klingons once, fail, disappear, show up for the failed Reunification season cliffhanger story, fail in that, and disappear only to show up in DS9 briefly to represent their presence before disappearing again. Then they show up in the most recent movie being manipulated themselves, by a HUMAN leading a bunch of Reman prisoners. Romulans were the most under-utilized "villains" in the Star Trek series.

And the Borg were almost the exact opposite. They were OVER-utilized. OVER-played in most cases. They were these great villains whose presence could've been more ominously built up to, but as usual they showed up for a cliffhanger, a movie, then like half the frickin' episodes of Voyager. And I don't care what anyone says; the idea of a Borg "Queen" goes against the whole bloody concept. Locutus was unique. There does not need to be a Queen Borg.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Demos
Pancake
posted 01-15-2003 12:35:16 AM
quote:
Karnaj had this to say about the Spice Girls:
The minute Voyager lost all its entertainment value for me was when they used the nanoprobes in open space to kill Species 8472. You can only overlook horrible butchering of science for so long, and that just sealed the deal for me.


What killed the Star-Trek series was the new Enterprise show. Too much "lets show em some vulcan skin".

"Jesus saves, Buddha enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich."
Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 01-15-2003 12:36:49 AM
I liked Voyager, for the most part. Some episodes I found fairly boring, but I could deal with it.

I couldn't even keep watching Enterprise :/

Steven Steve
posted 01-15-2003 12:59:58 AM
Like Ja'Deth said, they basically inject a bunch of little nanoprobes into your body that essentially build robot parts onto you.

or so I think

And what was with Voyager? It seemed like all of the Tom Paris and Harry Kim holodeck episodes were groan-inspiring, but for some reason, they were all funny and amusing.

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