I don't know why I am even posting this. A part of me thinks it is sweet justice. But what the hell you all arn't a bad lot. 
[ 12-19-2002: Message edited by: Rabidbunnylover'nix ]
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Mmmm, fresh-baked quotes!
The music industry and Hollywood are eyeing such hacking tactics as a way to stop file swappers from trading copyrighted music in the future. A bill sponsored by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., and Howard Coble, R-N.C., and introduced into the U.S. House of Representatives in July, would allow copyright owners limited rights to hack into peer-to-peer networks.
-Fact: Pirating is illegal.
-Fact: Hacking is also illegal.
-Fact: Illegal activities don't stop illegal activities, they just make more illegal activities. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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tatsukaze00 was listening to Cher while typing:
At this rate, the RIAA will destroy the internet.
well they can't sell it at a price of 20 bucks for about 35-40 minutes of entertainment, so it's obviously evil.
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Cheese obviously shouldn't have said:
What's the difference between downloading mp3s, and taping music from the radio or movies from tv?
MP3s have no loss of quality between the original and the copy. In addition it is much easier to trade in mass quantity. With a Tape you have to buy blanks and take the time to copy it over and over, same with a CD really. With MP3s and High speed internet acess you can pirate music on a scale that was never dreamed of 5 years ago.
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Cheese had this to say about Punky Brewster:
They're not losing any money from me, because I'd never buy the cds in the first place
Then why are you getting the MP3s?
There are normally two arguments for MP3 trading.
One is that music is to expensive now.
Well the fact is that not everyone can afford everything.
I can't afford a Dodge Viper but that doesn't give me the right to steal one just because I want it.
The other argument is just what you said.
That you would not have purchased the Music anyway. THe logical question that is raised to that is: Then why did you steal that song?
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Cheese had this to say about (_|_):
Because occasionally, I'll remember an old song that I listened to when I was little, and I'll download it. I'm not gonna spend $15 for a cd that only has one song that I like on it. Plus, even though I do have some cds, I almost never listen to them. So it would be a total waste of money, and I'd probably eventually throw the cd away because it would just take up space.
You really shouldn't try to rationalize stealing, it only makes you look stupid. Sorry but "because I dont want to spend $15 on it" is NOT an excuse.
I dont want to pay $80,000 for a dodge viper either, but thats not an excuse for me to go steal one.
You're strealing, plain and simple. Stop trying to pretend that you aren't through terrible logic.
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ACES! Another post by Cheese:
Okay, if you want to call it stealing, fine. Are you saying that you don't have any mp3s on your pc?
I have a few, but Im also well aware that it's stealing & illegal. J-walking is illegal and I do that, so is speeding and overly aggressive driving, I do that also.
I'm the typical common criminal that most of us are, breaking minor laws some of which are enforced some of which are not.
The fact that you know you will get a speeding ticket for driving too fast does not stop most of us from speeding; just like knowing that downloading MP3s of songs you didn't pay for are illegal doesnt stop most from downloading them.
Difference between us is, Im not trying to rationalize that what I am doing is somehow not illegal/wrong. I know it is yet continue to do it anyways, that's how it is for anyone who has intentionally broken the law, no matter how minor.
The Warcraft 3 soundtrack.
Best eighty bucks I ever fucking spent on a collector's edition of a game.
It cheers me up when I'm sad, calms me down when STUPID FUCKING DRIVERS ARE ON THE ROAD, wakes me up if I'm a tad sleepy, and keeps me in touch with reality, so to speak.
No other music should ever have been created, save for "Simple and Clean".
It's not the downloading that the record companies hate, it's the sharing. They don't care if you leech; there was a tutorial on one of their websites which told how to turn off sharing on all p2p programs. (That site also happened to have copyrighted information from the University of Chicago.)
I download mp3's because 1) I can't afford $15 pieces of crap, 2) Music today isn't worth paying for, and 3) a little thing called Civil Disobedience.
The RIAA can't prove anything unless they put true, unbiased information out. Come on, they said that all CD-Rs are used to pirate music. They don't even look at the legit uses for anything, they only care about lining their own pockets and the pockets of congressmen like Fritz Hollings. If an artist cares that much about money rather than recognition, then they're not in it for the true purpose and enjoyment of music.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Kegwen. said:
The rest of the board: "Your views are a little extreme."Delphi: "My views ain't extreme, mister, they're common sense!"
I don't steal MP3s, you THEIF!
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tatsukaze00 had this to say about Punky Brewster:
2) Music today isn't worth paying for
But it's worth listening to!
If a service is worth using then it's worth paying for.
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tatsukaze00 attempted to be funny by writing:
I download mp3's because 1) I can't afford $15 pieces of crap, 2) Music today isn't worth paying for, and 3) a little thing called Civil Disobedience.
If youc an't afford it then you don't get it. Real simple concept.
If you dont' feel it is worth paying for then it must not be worth having. That doesn't mean you can just steal it.
Save your civil Disobedience bullshit. You have no idea what a real cause is. If you did you wouldn't waste it on something as stupid as stealing music. To many people today are just looking for something to rebel against. They don't care about the cause. They care about themselves and getting attention.
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Kermitov had this to say about the Spice Girls:
at any rate, what will happen the first time someone's computer gets toasted by an mp3 that they're allowed to have because they own the CD already?
Right now this isnt' the doing of the record labels or the RIAA. It is just a flaw that has been found. I would be mroe worried about your average script kiddie right now that I would be corporations.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about (_|_):
I don't steal MP3s, you THEIF!
Like the only mp3s of mine that are stolen are Pink Floyd and Squaresoft stuff.
edit: Matt, quit rationalizing the fact that you just don't want to buy CDs. [ 12-19-2002: Message edited by: Kegwen. ]
Look at the RIAA, they overprice CDs by $7-8 and pay off politicians just so they can get more money. 5 record labels and 3 stores just settled a price-fixing lawsuit for hundreds of millions of dollars. AND THEY DON'T REALLY EVEN CARE. If that's not wrong/unethical, then I want some of that shit you're smoking.
That's my cause. If you don't like it, then keep on living like a coward under the system that keeps on strangling our freedom. Go ahead. I don't really care. I have my opinion, and you can't change it.
It seems that the more popular a band is, the more bargaining room they have with their label. So basically... their popularity determines their percent income. How lame is that?
edit: tatsukaze is gonna get flamezored now. [ 12-19-2002: Message edited by: Kegwen. ]
That's what you get for being a wannabe free thinker.
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tatsukaze00 impressed everyone with:
I refuse to contribute any further to this thread.
Good. I'd hate to have to get on your ass 10 ways to Sunday.
Just ask Kegwen how I get when it comes to stuff like this 
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Falaanla Marr Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Good. I'd hate to have to get on your ass 10 ways to Sunday.Just ask Kegwen how I get when it comes to stuff like this
Matt, you don't wanna fuck with Fal. Honestly.
See, we have a word for that. I like to call it, "delusion."
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Says the owner of this board, Drysart:No warez. No serials. No cracks/cracking programs. Anything that can be used in software piracy or other illegal software activities will result in a ban. Same goes for abusing programs like mailbombers, forum and usenet flooders, and email harvesting bots. This goes for actual links to offending material, bragging about offending material, and offering offending services. This does not apply to emulators such as UOX, EQEmu, and DAOCoffline as such pieces of software do not violate Copyright Law. This also doesn't apply to MP3s (except in extenuating cases), but only because I said so.
The reason for the quote is nice and bold for the slow thinkers.
Each person is allowed their thoughts on MP3s, but the fact is they're allowed here and there should not be flame wars over them.
My better judgement says to lock this thread before it gets out of hand, but I'm going to give you guys a chance here.
Don't make me regret it.
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Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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