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Topic: Here's a question that's been bothering me...
Marien Sutoma
Pancake
posted 11-11-2002 02:43:57 AM
I was watching a certain anime, and it got me to thinking...
If I could go into a coma, yet leave my consciousness on the internet, would I?

Imagine if there was an MMORPOG that was a completely 3d world, that was basicly real life, and if you logged in, it was basicly like turning into your character and living a very real, but still fantasy, world. You could still access Message Board Forums and IRC.
Now, imagine, if you could go into a coma, but be able to exist in that MMORPG and etc.

Would you?

I find myself saying yes, but that feels really wrong to me. Like I shouldn't be saying yes, and I shouldn't want to feel that way.

King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 11-11-2002 02:45:18 AM
What's to be gained from living a fantasy besides empty dreams?

No.

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 11-11-2002 02:46:23 AM
This is an unfair question to ask a geek.

I've been waiting for a neural link for quite a while... fuck the MMOG shit... DNI to the system... bounce from place to place and the speed of thought... oh yeah.

* NullDevice kicks the server. "Floggings will continue until processing power improves!"
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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
Lashanna
noob
posted 11-11-2002 02:46:35 AM
quote:
Humble Parcelan had this to say about (_|_):
What's to be gained from living a fantasy besides empty dreams?

No.


Not having to have real dreams shattered, and they wouldn't have to feel so empty.

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
nem-x
posted 11-11-2002 02:48:16 AM
Would sex be considered cybering?
Oh shi...
what
posted 11-11-2002 02:49:11 AM
quote:
Lashanna had this to say about Duck Tales:
Not having to have real dreams shattered, and they wouldn't have to feel so empty.

Life. Deal.

Razor
posted 11-11-2002 02:49:49 AM
This is border line thinking of Blade Runner.

I wouldn't really care if I was in or out. But there is also the line of matrix thinking...

Astronomy is a passion...
Engineering is a love...
My job isn't a job, it's my career, and I love every minute of it: Observatory Superintendent
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 11-11-2002 02:49:53 AM
You can't masturbate when you're in a coma.

Think about that.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Pvednes
Lynched
posted 11-11-2002 02:52:09 AM
Have a read of the Otherland books by Tad Williams.

And no, I would not. That's living in an empty dream.

Marien Sutoma
Pancake
posted 11-11-2002 02:52:33 AM
quote:
¤Delidgamond¤ said this about your mom:
Life. Deal.

Hypothetical. Question.

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 11-11-2002 02:53:17 AM
quote:
Rosaline had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Hypothetical. Question.

For how long?

* NullDevice kicks the server. "Floggings will continue until processing power improves!"
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"That was black magic, and it was easy to use. Easy and fun. Like Legos." -- Harry Dresden
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That's what playing Ragnarok Online taught me: There's no problem in the universe that can't be resolved by the proper application of daggers to faces.
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 11-11-2002 02:56:58 AM
While I wouldn't want to do it intentionally (at least permenantly) that would be pretty cool if it were possible.
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Nwist, Who?
Nwist
posted 11-11-2002 03:04:35 AM
I would do it if there were some kind of timer or whathaveyou to wake you up when you needed to be up.
Lashanna
noob
posted 11-11-2002 03:08:29 AM
quote:
Just Nwist probably says this to all the girls:
I would do it if there were some kind of timer or whathaveyou to wake you up when you needed to be up.

That was the point, you wouldn't wake up.

Presumably, your parents, or someone, would have you relocated to a hospital, placed on life support, fed via IVs.

For all intents and purposes, you'd be a vegitable to the real world. In the game however, you'd be the same as normal players, or maybe a bit better, you wouldn't have to take breaks to eat or sleep, etc.

You see where I'm going with this?

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Nwist, Who?
Nwist
posted 11-11-2002 03:11:17 AM
quote:
Lashanna was naked while typing this:
That was the point, you wouldn't wake up.

Presumably, your parents, or someone, would have you relocated to a hospital, placed on life support, fed via IVs.

For all intents and purposes, you'd be a vegitable to the real world. In the game however, you'd be the same as normal players, or maybe a bit better, you wouldn't have to take breaks to eat or sleep, etc.

You see where I'm going with this?


If I, or anyone I loved, didn't have to deal with some enormous, unpayable bill, then yes, I would.

No real life hassles = gud.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 11-11-2002 03:11:36 AM
quote:
Lashanna thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
That was the point, you wouldn't wake up.

Presumably, your parents, or someone, would have you relocated to a hospital, placed on life support, fed via IVs.

For all intents and purposes, you'd be a vegitable to the real world. In the game however, you'd be the same as normal players, or maybe a bit better, you wouldn't have to take breaks to eat or sleep, etc.

You see where I'm going with this?


That's effectively death.

nem-x
posted 11-11-2002 03:13:08 AM
Your mind is still active and living on in the virtual world. How can it be death?
Lashanna
noob
posted 11-11-2002 03:13:33 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Dr. Pvednes, PhD wrote:
That's effectively death.

If you say so.
I wouldn't think of it as death, as you'd still be conscious, and able to think, and probably even enjoy yourself.

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Pvednes
Lynched
posted 11-11-2002 03:19:42 AM
I meant to the real world. If you went in, and do not/cannot not come out, you are dead to it, from the moment you go in.
Drakkenmaw
Crunchy, tastes good with ketchup
posted 11-11-2002 03:25:38 AM
quote:
Dr. Pvednes, PhD stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I meant to the real world. If you went in, and do not/cannot not come out, you are dead to it, from the moment you go in.

He's right, really. Unless you can make a contribution to real-life society from inside the game, you're participating in a form of slow-release suicide.

King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 11-11-2002 03:31:30 AM
quote:
Lashanna had this to say about pies:
Not having to have real dreams shattered, and they wouldn't have to feel so empty.

How would they feel any less empty in an MMOG?

There's no satisfaction of doing a job well-done because whatever you can do, odds are someone else can do, too.

There's no thrill of life or death because you can always come get your corpse.

There's no sense of accomplishment because whatever lasting impression you make upon the world will be gone with the next respawn.

In short: Live a virtual world, live a virtual life with virtual accomplishments. Nothing real. Nothing lasting. Nothing substantial.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 11-11-2002 03:31:48 AM
quote:
Drakkenmaw probably says this to all the girls:
He's right, really. Unless you can make a contribution to real-life society from inside the game, you're participating in a form of slow-release suicide.

Yup.

I'd say that's why it feels wrong, too, Rosa.

nem-x
posted 11-11-2002 03:33:40 AM
There was this one episode of Batman: Beyond... yeah.
King Parcelan
Chicken of the Sea
posted 11-11-2002 03:37:55 AM
quote:
nem-x's account was hax0red to write:
There was this one episode of Batman: Beyond... yeah.

I remember that one!

nem-x
posted 11-11-2002 03:41:25 AM
To answer the question...
I would live my life out first to see how it turns out.

Then when I'm all old and senile like Parcelan, I would plug-in.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 11-11-2002 03:43:10 AM
quote:
nem-x had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
To answer the question...
I would live my life out first to see how it turns out.

Then when I'm all old and senile like Parcelan, I would plug-in.


Sanitized euthanasia. That doesn't sound nearly as bad.

Ragabash
Pancake
posted 11-11-2002 04:56:29 AM
The reason I see people not doing it is because they are brought up with a feeling of obligation to those around them. "All these people love me so much, but if I did this I'd be depriving them of all that is me, and possibly making them suffer to see me in the comalike state even though I brought it on myself."

In other words, the reason you may feel it is wrong is because it is a rather selfish thing to do. Some people would probably make it akin to suicide. I believe what stops a lot of people suiciding is a fear of not being sure of what's on the other side. Well, just think of how many people would do this because now they know what's on the other side.

On a side note, it'd have to be the best game EVER created since your committing yourself to this one game for the rest of eternity...

Feed my hungry soul.
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 11-11-2002 05:41:18 AM
If you can plug into the neural thingie to play the game, then why not plug into to net forums (like this one) and talk to people. Or do research through a computer terminal.

With your entire brain attached to a computer, you could probably multitask rather well.

I want neural interfaces!

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Kennatsu
hu�mor 1. That which is intended to induce laughter or amusement: a writer skilled at crafting humor.
posted 11-11-2002 05:51:14 AM
How do we know that we're not Virtual people who are living outside our bodies in this thing we call "Real Life"?
Nwist, Who?
Nwist
posted 11-11-2002 06:18:17 AM
quote:
Kennatsu had this to say about Optimus Prime:
How do we know that we're not Virtual people who are living outside our bodies in this thing we call "Real Life"?

Welcome... to the Twilight Zone!

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 11-11-2002 08:35:06 AM
Someone once told Voltaire life was hard. He replied, "Compared to what?"

RL beats fantasy hands-down. It's the possibility of failure, and the permanence of decisions, that make the good times good and meaningful and worthwhile.

Life is not entertainment, nor should it be.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Tatsukaze
wants Kloie's mom OH SO BAD
posted 11-11-2002 08:36:49 AM
Wow, this reminds me of a certain episode of Cowboy Bebop...
Mod
Pancake
posted 11-11-2002 08:47:28 AM
I think I would. Simlpy to be able to start with the same predispositions as everyone else. I assume you mean a very advanced online game, more Matrix-Like than Everquest. (I wouldn't die to play everquest forever, I would get bored with it at some point).

As RIG said, moving from point to point at the speed of thought > beeing bound to a maintnance-intensive lump of flesh.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Azrael Heavenblade
Damn Dirty Godmoder
posted 11-11-2002 09:14:49 AM
Ah yes, .hack//sign. I dunno, unless there was sensory information, ie smells, taste, touch, etc, I don't think I could stand to be online for sustended periods of time. Also, in a coma, who's to say you wouldn't suddenly die, or if the server dumped you off when it went down for a patch, how would you get back on? I prefer RL, as its far more interesting, and I can actually create things rather than just interacting with them.
"The basic tool for manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them." - Philip K. Dick
Maradon!
posted 11-11-2002 09:20:00 AM
quote:
Bloodsage painfully thought these words up:
RL beats fantasy hands-down. It's the possibility of failure, and the permanence of decisions, that make the good times good and meaningful and worthwhile.

So if you add the possibility of failure and permanence of decisions to the "fantasy" habitation, there should be no problem.

Real life beats fantasy, it's true, but I'm of the mind that "real life" can be fabricated.

What's the difference between living as a lump of cerebral tissue encased in a vehicle of bone and muscle, and living as the same, only with an electronic vehicle in a different form of reality?

The value of such an existence is limited only by the accuracy of the reality inhabited.

[ 11-11-2002: Message edited by: Maradon XP ]

Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 11-11-2002 09:59:39 AM
Probably I would let life turn out though.

It's pretty much if you want to take the dissapointments and stones that life throws versus extremely fulfilling idea of success,

versus

Living sheltered and not failing, but, not succeeding.

I guess it's just where you stand on the failure and success line, and, what hope you have for yourself.

I mean, i've been dissapointed a lot and I would prefer that life sometimes, but I have hope for the future and hope for the present, so, in actuality, I don't want to.

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Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 11-11-2002 10:29:18 AM
Not in a million years. I'd rather live the crappiest real life than lead a fantastic fake life. At least out here I can still get laid.
That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 11-11-2002 01:00:31 PM
Still, can you imagine how much ass you could kick in twitch games? You have no keyboard and mouse to work through to hinder your actions and reactions.

But that would mean in FPS matches of the future anytime anyone is showing the slightest lick of talent you'll hear "OMG he's a corpse."

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Star Collective
Pancake
posted 11-11-2002 01:02:28 PM
A neural interface would be freaking awesome, but I would want to return to my body every couple of hours or so.

I would never commit myself to an eternity of internet life because there are things IRL that I want to see and do, people I love who I care about and want to see.

The internet is nice, but its not something I would want to spend the entirety of my life in unless my physical body was so damaged that I was unable to interact with the rest of the world anyway.

If I was dying or effectively dead already, yeah I would go for it, other than that, no.

The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 11-11-2002 01:04:48 PM
The real question is... would you really know?
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