Your view?
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Ideally, I want number 1, just so I can fart and power my computer for a week. 
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Fossil fuels will eventually run out, this cannot be avoided unless we stop using them. What do you think will happen once this happens, if you take into consideration that the world hasn't developed a "clean and safe" energy source by then. Personally, I think one of two things will happen:People will be forced to change, using mass hydrogen-powered public transport systems. Fossil fuel burning transport will be left to rot in scrap yards. People will refuse to change, and the world will devolve into petty brawling as nations try to consolidate their remaining supplies of fossil fuels. The intro of a certain well-known game springs to mind, with the US annexing Canada and Europe devolving into eternally warring city states. Your view?
Which game might that be? 
I think that long before the fossil fuels start to run low, we will start to convert over to Hydrogen-based power. As it is, we're damn near ready now (Biggest stumbling block I could see is that the hydrogen-powered cars cost 3x as much as regular do... around 30,000 low end), we have the means and the ability. If we continue to refine fossil fuels and use them for other means (Power plants, or other large-scale combustion) we can use the hydrogen produced by the refining process to fuel the cars.
By also adding in the sunlight electrolysis and other methods of producing hydrogen (Algae was mentioned in my thread) we should have a steady supply.
If we start the transition early, we should be able to be more than adequately prepared when the fossil fuels begin to run dry.
And they're only a few years from their production date...and things are going better than they'd planned.
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Khyron had this to say about Duck Tales:
Which game might that be?
i'm thinking more a mixing of fallout and crimson skies.
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Khyron stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Which game might that be?I think that long before the fossil fuels start to run low, we will start to convert over to Hydrogen-based power. As it is, we're damn near ready now (Biggest stumbling block I could see is that the hydrogen-powered cars cost 3x as much as regular do... around 30,000 low end), we have the means and the ability. If we continue to refine fossil fuels and use them for other means (Power plants, or other large-scale combustion) we can use the hydrogen produced by the refining process to fuel the cars.
By also adding in the sunlight electrolysis and other methods of producing hydrogen (Algae was mentioned in my thread) we should have a steady supply.
If we start the transition early, we should be able to be more than adequately prepared when the fossil fuels begin to run dry.
While this is true, I can forsee strained relations with OPEC countries as we start the switch.
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Azrael Heavenblade had this to say about Captain Planet:
While this is true, I can forsee strained relations with OPEC countries as we start the switch.
Why? The refining process of oil into usable fuel is a good source of hydrogen. It's just that the refined gasoline will go to other sources than vehicles
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Azrael Heavenblade Model 2000 was programmed to say:
While this is true, I can forsee strained relations with OPEC countries as we start the switch.
This is different from the current situation how? Been beholden to them for decades.
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Mr Mort thought about the meaning of life:....
People will refuse to change, and the world will devolve into petty brawling as nations try to consolidate their remaining supplies of fossil fuels. The intro of a certain well-known game springs to mind, with the US annexing Canada and Europe devolving into eternally warring city states. Your view?
I am seeing brawling as what will happen. See Gasoline is only a tiny aspect of what fossil fuels get used for. For one, a limited supply of oil would limit the supply of plastics, just thing of what would happen to medical science if they suddenly lost access to plastics? Great deals of powerplants are still coal fired, and Nat. Gas if widely used for heating.
We wouldn't revert to a simpler society if we lost sudden access to fossil fuels, we would crash into a dark age.
However, there has been some research that fossil fuels may not be as non-renewable as we have first thought. Plus If we could get out asses into gear and get out into space, I a plenty sure the other planets have much there to exploit...As long as we don't stop for alien distress beacons and get killed :P
and Khyron, Switching over to Hydrogen as a fuel source is a lot more complicated than you think, and the biggest stumbling block is Distribution, think about it, who own the means of fuel distribution in the world right now?
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Pyscho said this:
Plus If we could get out asses into gear and get out into space, I a plenty sure the other planets have much there to exploit...
Remember, oil and gas is created from dead micro-animals that have fallen to the sea bed and been squashed and compressed. Unless we find sealife under the ice on Jupiter's moon, there's no natural gas or oil in space. Just raw materials, and a hell of a lot of them. The asteroid field, for example, could supply Earth's raw material needs for thousands of years by itself.
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Mr Mort had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Remember, oil and gas is created from dead micro-animals that have fallen to the sea bed and been squashed and compressed. Unless we find sealife under the ice on Jupiter's moon, there's no natural gas or oil in space. Just raw materials, and a hell of a lot of them. The asteroid field, for example, could supply Earth's raw material needs for thousands of years by itself.
Well we Know for One Mars once supported life, and god only knows what under venus's cloud cover.
However there has been some new Ideas that Oil may not be a product of Dead life only
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Check out the big brain on Pyscho!
and Khyron, Switching over to Hydrogen as a fuel source is a lot more complicated than you think, and the biggest stumbling block is Distribution, think about it, who own the means of fuel distribution in the world right now?
Who owns over thirty pilot stations for Hydrogen-fueled vehicles? Texaco.
There's one in Texas itself, which was the first. There's twenty five in california, test stations for demand, ability, et cetera.
I forget where the other four are. Fuel companies, the refineries, are fairly happy to oblige with the hydrogen fuel. They can expand the market and sell a large by-product of their refining, Hydrogen, in larger quantities than ever before. They can continue to profit off of the petroleum-based fuels they have now. See the win-win situation for them?
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Pyscho got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
I am seeing brawling as what will happen. See Gasoline is only a tiny aspect of what fossil fuels get used for. For one, a limited supply of oil would limit the supply of plastics, just thing of what would happen to medical science if they suddenly lost access to plastics? Great deals of powerplants are still coal fired, and Nat. Gas if widely used for heating.We wouldn't revert to a simpler society if we lost sudden access to fossil fuels, we would crash into a dark age.
i try to remain optimistic, but i do agree. i worry less about gasoline and the like than i do about everything else we use fossil fuels for--plastics, especially.
the material has become such a cornerstone of everybody's life...if it were suddenly gone, we'd be screwed.
Hope it all lasts long enough!
Trucks that big just aint supposed to go 'veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!' as you drive them around
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Well we Know for One Mars once supported life, and god only knows what under venus's cloud cover.However there has been some new Ideas that Oil may not be a product of Dead life only
Given that the probes the USSR sent from the 60's through the 80's lasted 50-65 minutes before everything melted, I wouldn't bet on Venus for quite a while.
Pressure of 94 Atmospheres and a recorded temp of 465C is pretty inhospitable.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/chronology_venus.html
As for hydrogen fuel.. the fact that it's volatile and needs to be pressureized means a lot of people aren't comfortable with it. If there were a system as 'safe' as gasoline distribution then it'd probably be more accepted than I expect it will be.
