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Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 10-28-2002 03:38:36 AM
How do the Undead beat mass Sorcs? And I mean mass. I stopped counting at around thirty.

It wouldn't have been so annoying if I had killed his stupid Heroes at least once. It would have happened (indeed, it would have happend two or three times over), except that their inventories were apparently full of nothing but healing potions.

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 10-28-2002 04:24:29 AM
On the other hand, I have at last vindicated myself against people who mass Huntresses.

Would you like a side of death with your Frost Wyrms, sir? Muwa ha ha.

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
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Pancake
posted 10-28-2002 07:50:29 AM
Aboms + Banshees.

Ams your aboms (I would use ghouls, but there would be too many of them to AMS) and your Heroes. Watch as your Slow and Poly-immune aboms make you some sorc-filet.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 10-28-2002 09:09:25 AM
Anti-Magic Shell with mass Ghouls/Aboms... heck, you could also do necros (Lets see you polymorph THESE! )

But the main key is, if you don't want to use Anti-Magic Shell, is Wands of Negation. If the map does not have goblin merchants, you are pretty much stuck using Banshees

Not that that is too bad, since you can possess a couple sorceresses and Slow HIS hero so he can't get away (Slow + Frost Nova = Hilarity). Plus Banshees have the highest attack damage of any caster

Remember, you can cast Anti-Magic Shell after a unit has been Polymorph and it undos it, so if you get surprised you can still turn ti around rather fast

Lich is great too, for Frost Nova Naturally

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Pancake
posted 10-28-2002 09:17:34 AM
Necros would work, however with mass sorc, he'll probably have two sancti, meaning when he sees your necro he can TP, Build Two priests in one sanctum and research adept in the other. This would slaughter your skels pretty quickly.

I'd say stick with banshees, posess his knights (or whatever meatshield he uses), AMS your units and go to town.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 10-28-2002 10:21:11 AM
Yes, but by the time he dispells all of the skels, his sorcs will have slowed them all, meaning a LOT of mana gone

More and more distractions, and loss of mana for them

I didn't say to go PURE necros, but even then, you can cripple his running hero

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 10-28-2002 10:44:26 AM
One other small note, if you have some necros making skeletons in the middle of your ghouls/aboms, in order to dispell your skels, he has to dispell all of the slows and/or polymorphs he has cast on any units mixed with the skels

Always a helping bonus

Len the Studious
Pancake
posted 10-28-2002 11:18:51 AM
quote:
Sentow had this to say about Optimus Prime:
On the other hand, I have at last vindicated myself against people who mass Huntresses.

Would you like a side of death with your Frost Wyrms, sir? Muwa ha ha.


I STILL need a legit anti-hunt strategy.

People just MAKE THEM and I can't match them with eqivalent units.

Oh shi...
what
posted 10-28-2002 11:33:58 AM
When playing against NE, you need LOTS of ghouls at the beginning and need to harass as much as you can. The moment you see them, Frost Nova and run away. If he has a Keeper it might get irratating, but as long as you keep Frost Nova-ing hunts and Dark Ritualing skeletons or ghouls (sacrificing 1 full HP ghoul to get 1 frost nova off is SO worth it, but generally it's skellies you use) he will have to either back off (which let's you creep for a tiny bit) or take a massive army hit.

Lich is generally a better hero against NE because 95% of them mass units. Get a couple necros but get them fast. Also get a couple crypt fiends with web in case you see hippo riders or chimeras. Banshees are the key so you can AMS your heroes, curse theirs, and steal any webbed chimeras or hunts.

Len the Studious
Pancake
posted 10-28-2002 11:42:52 AM
quote:
¤Delidgamond¤ stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
When playing against NE, you need LOTS of ghouls at the beginning and need to harass as much as you can. The moment you see them, Frost Nova and run away. If he has a Keeper it might get irratating, but as long as you keep Frost Nova-ing hunts and Dark Ritualing skeletons or ghouls (sacrificing 1 full HP ghoul to get 1 frost nova off is SO worth it, but generally it's skellies you use) he will have to either back off (which let's you creep for a tiny bit) or take a massive army hit.

Lich is generally a better hero against NE because 95% of them mass units. Get a couple necros but get them fast. Also get a couple crypt fiends with web in case you see hippo riders or chimeras. Banshees are the key so you can AMS your heroes, curse theirs, and steal any webbed chimeras or hunts.


*Takes notes*

what about human?

Oh shi...
what
posted 10-28-2002 11:48:40 AM
Humans have it the easist as long as you don't choose Paladin as your first hero.

Arch Mage with Blizzard or MK with Thunderclap. Take your pic. You just have to micro your hero alot because they WILL auto target.

If you pick Paladin as your first hero, you will have to fast tech to sorcies and CREEP LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER using Holy Light to keep your footmen at full life.

I always choose Paladin first

Len the Studious
Pancake
posted 10-28-2002 11:50:29 AM
quote:
¤Delidgamond¤'s account was hax0red to write:
Humans have it the easist as long as you don't choose Paladin as your first hero.

Arch Mage with Blizzard or MK with Thunderclap. Take your pic. You just have to micro your hero alot because they WILL auto target.

If you pick Paladin as your first hero, you will have to fast tech to sorcies and CREEP LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER using Holy Light to keep your footmen at full life.

I always choose Paladin first



I don't understand how that works. I mean, I tend to tech a lot (and pretty much make footmen, but, my main strategy is to pull of knights/priests), but I make some footmen with AM. However, they just rape my AM with fury and he doesn't last long enough to do any damage. How do you make it work?

Oh shi...
what
posted 10-28-2002 12:00:04 PM
Proper Micro. You can use WE or Blizzard. If they AT ALL mass target your AM, run the FUCK out AM out of there and let your footmen get free hits. The moment they stop targetting your AM, come back and cast a WE or Blizzard again until the either run away or mass target again.

When dealing with mass units, it's always about hit and runs. If they have you locked in your base, go out and get pot shot blizzards with them and keep trying to drag them into your 1 or 2 towers.

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 10-28-2002 12:07:38 PM
I always get three heroes asap as Human

Paladin first
(Holy Light is creeping goodness)

Then I tend to get the Arch Mage 2nd, to power my Paladin up

Mountain King comes last, first point into thunderclap

Blizzard works wonders against huntresses, and if they Do mass-target the arch-mage, your 400/600hp heals are more than enough to keep him alive for a minute or two while you absolutely rape his forces with Blizzard and your other troops

If you happen to have your Mountain King out too, make sure to send him seperately into the good Thunderclap positions, messing up as many huntresses as you can

If you have to Blizzard him in the process, then Blizzard him

I always go for a mix of Footmen/Riflemen with my heroes, and priests as back-up

Since most NE's tend to bring a few dryads along too, making buffs largely useless

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 10-28-2002 12:08:37 PM
Oh, and if possible, keep hit and running until you pull them just past your peons, and THEN call to arms, you can trap a good number of units in like this if done properly
Oh shi...
what
posted 10-28-2002 12:16:33 PM
Len, fight the computer(Normal) and set them to Night Elf. When you can kill them easily then you have a general idea on how to deal with massive units. The computer generally attacks early and gets as many units as possible.

If your computer can handle insane AI (wish mine could ) then fight against them AFTER Computer (Normal) and see how far you can take. I've yet to try but I could probably do it. The insane AI gets double everything resource wise. Double starting money, and double money returned per trip. So you would deal with about 50% - 75% more units on their attack or when you deal with them out of base attacks. This is where AoE damage is key. When you can make them run away, you've won

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