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Topic: Spetznaz: 40, Chechens: 2
Marien Sutoma
Pancake
posted 10-26-2002 12:47:47 AM
Counter-Terrorists win!

I have to say, hats off to the Russians.
For all the security the 40 Rebels probably felt because they had 700 bargaining chips, the Russians showed they weren't pussyfooting around. Two hostages dead, two wounded. Considering that they were trying to rescue 700, that's VERY nice, and very effective.

With all our wartalk against Iraq, we have a lot more support, it seems, than the Russians have in their struggle with the Chechen separatists... I don't understand either. Hell, like last week, I think it was, 12 Russian soldiers part of border patrol (or something to that effect) were killed in a little "raid." Then this. You have any idea how fast we'd be up in arms?

Well, outside politics aside, I'm happy to see some of these sorts of people get shown that they can't get what they want by taking people hostage, and my respect for Russian Hostage Rescue is bolstered again.

To paraphrase rap star:
"That was some real shit they did back in there."

nem-x
posted 10-26-2002 01:57:51 AM
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 10-26-2002 02:14:26 AM
Actually, up to 30 hostages are feared to have been killed.

Source: BBC News 24

Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 10-26-2002 06:13:36 AM
They found sixty seven dead, but most of them died during the actual siege from hunger, injuries that didn't get attention and other stuff.

But considering they saved like 700 people...

You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 10-26-2002 08:22:29 AM
I'm sorry for those that died...

but given that those terrorists were running around with high explosive strapped all over themselves, a low body count of the 700 people trapped is still an overall win.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Koosh Man
Pancake
posted 10-26-2002 06:19:47 PM
I'm hearing numbers as high as 76 hostages killed at this point, with 36 of the 50 rebels neutralized and the other 14 unaccounted for.

I've been hearing all sorts of numbers, but the ones I posted here were the ones I've been hearing the most.

No sooner than I posted this, in fact, did I hear on the radio that the current numbers are 90 hostages, and all but 3 tangos.

I think we won't really have a clue for a couple more days now.

[ 10-26-2002: Message edited by: Koosh Man ]

Marien Sutoma
Pancake
posted 10-26-2002 08:29:49 PM
Eh, Well, So it's not as good a victory as I had originally thought, but I still feel it was a decent victory...

I think I heard somewhere that like, 10 of the Chechens were already wanted by Interpol for a number of other stuff...

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 10-27-2002 06:33:35 AM
Don't forget the 456 hostages that were poisoned by the gas the Spetznaz used before their assault.


But hey, better poisoned and alive than shot in the head and dead.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 10-27-2002 03:52:56 PM
Last I heard, the death toll was 140--most of whom died from inhalation of the gas the Speznaz used in breaking in.

Subtlety's never been a strong suit of the Russian military, though.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Alaan
posted 10-27-2002 04:05:04 PM
I heard 76 I thinnk. 75 dead from gas, 1 from misaimed gunshot.
Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 10-27-2002 09:12:30 PM
I heard 53.


Wait, I made that number up!

Shows us how much news people know sometimes. :P

Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Lashanna
noob
posted 10-27-2002 09:31:25 PM
116, It hink is the latest number.
Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 10-27-2002 11:12:39 PM
Seems like Russia was eager to use all that deadly gas they were saving up for World War III.

In public statements, they're swearing it was general anesthetic.

Lashanna
noob
posted 10-27-2002 11:34:20 PM
quote:
Mr Mort probably says this to all the girls:
Seems like Russia was eager to use all that deadly gas they were saving up for World War III.

In public statements, they're swearing it was general anesthetic.


Actually, Russian officials refused to comment on what the gas actually was, and the hospitals are saying it was an anesthetic.

And trust me, anesthetics can be very deadly, I can imagine a gas used on a wide number of people like that could be dangerous. Anesthesiology is largely dependant on it's specific patient's body weight metabolism, exact amount of the anesthetic consumed, etc. etc.

Not to mention, if they were aiming to kill with the gas, there are much easier ways of doing it, .
Making deadly gas weapons for WW3 doesn't take a government facility. It takes a school chemistry lab, or hell, your basement.

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 10-28-2002 02:30:59 PM
An update on the numbers: 116 dead due to the gas. Not counting rebel bad guys.

Some Russian official was quoted saying the operation was a "military success" because less than 30% of those they were sent to rescue died at friendly hands.

/boggle

"We won, but killed just under 30% of the good guys, too," would never be considered success in my military.

And Lashy's right--she should know, after all. There's a reason anesthesiologists are some of the highest-paid specialist doctors. That stuff ain't candy.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

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