I think the only reason he's after Iraq is the oil. Not a bloody thing to do with nukes. ...
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Dr. Pvednes, PhD had this to say about Cuba:
clickyclickyI think the only reason he's after Iraq is the oil. Not a bloody thing to do with nukes.
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No, he's moreso trying to mollify Korea so we don't have to fight two wars at the same time.
However, it wasn't the best thing to do...but he didn't really have much else :P [ 10-24-2002: Message edited by: Lenlalron ]
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Lenlalron spewed forth this undeniable truth:
No, he's moreso trying to mollify Korea so we don't have to fight two wars at the same time.
It has been angered by President Bush's accusation that Pyongyang was part of an "axis of evil" producing weapons of mass destruction. Oh yes?quote:
North Korea has repeatedly threatened to withdraw from the agreement in recent weeks.
Isn't this sort of thing how we get into these messes?
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Pyscho's fortune cookie read:
No I think little baby bush wants to do what daddy did and goto war, and congress was fucking stupid enough to give it to him because they want the oil.
It's a lot more difficult to get rid of a president when re-election time comes if the country is at war, people tend to jump on the bandwagon and support him.
Basically if he can get war it'll almost reassure him a second term in office. Which is part of the reason he wants it so badly.
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Dr. Pvednes, PhD enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
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I probably shouldn't have said no, since the statements aren't actually related.
Of course, he's trying to get oil, but, I still believe there is an honest part of him that wants to get rid of the weapons of mass destruction.
However, now, he's saving face to focus the efforts on one country.
And yes, he's trying to shift the focus of the country for the war, something that he's supported on, than the economy, something which he is taking the fall for (Although he's getting more blame then he probably should, mainly because he has less control of the economy then people make it out to be)
You all are still a bit too cynical, in my opinion.
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Vorbo Goatboy's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
~/o I know Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction, I can prove it to you right now,
My daddy sold them to him when we're fighting with Iran! ~/oIsn't this sort of thing how we get into these messes?
/agree He wants to finish daddy's war.
But With Korea we have a different situatuion. THe leader is far from "calm" However he has not used NBC weapons against anyone and hasn't really showed the wish to do so. There are other contries in the area to help keep them in check. And it is easier to keep an eye on them.
Neither coun try having Nuclear weapons is a good situation. But I fear the Iraqi leaders now more than I do North Korea's.
We can take Iraq because even the people there don't like Saddam.
Why is it that people Scream about hating Bush and thinking he is doing this for personal reasons only, when if it was thier person in office they would be backing him 100%. Oh wait nevermind. I know. Because people still can't get over the fact that they lost.
=P *grins* (Sorry, yer getting hyper again)
We are trained to be cowards. And now that we have a leader who is not people are suddenly hating him
And it's got to be bad when people from other countries think he's a dork... (Yes, alot of people from other countries frequented the mall...)
We don't need a war, let alone two...
He is liked. As with anyone else there are people who dont' like him. The difference this time is that instead of trying to debate thier problems they resort to calling him names and insulting him.
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There was much rejoicing when Aanile said this:
We don't need a war, let alone two...
Actually the sad thing is that we do need to persue this war. The alternative is another up and coming Hitler. 70 years ago people said that they didn't need to get involved with Germany. It wasn't thier problem. The cost of that complacency is undeniable. And how many times since then has the same thing happened? How many millions need to Die before people take notice of this pattern.
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Azizza had this to say about (_|_):
I am in Polotics. (recent event I will post more later) I get a good feel for how people feel about him. there is a reason his Approval rating is up. I don't know how many people I have helped Poll that have said. "I wish I would have voted for him insead of _____" Or, "Thank god I voted for bush. I don't know what we would do if someone else was in office"He is liked. As with anyone else there are people who dont' like him. The difference this time is that instead of trying to debate thier problems they resort to calling him names and insulting him.
Politics
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So quoth Faelynn LeAndris:
Politics
Spelling whore. 
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Koosh Man had this to say about Knight Rider:
Spelling whore.
Panty wedge
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No but it seems to me that no matter what Bush does he will be decried by Democrats and other Liberals simply because they dont' like Republicans.
The fact that he has shown he has a set of balls and is willing to take a stand on things seems to shock a nation that is used to Clinton and Gore's sniveling.We are trained to be cowards. And now that we have a leader who is not people are suddenly hating him
There's a difference between being a coward and being smart. Blind loyalty is something even a dog has. I'm not a democrat or a liberal, but even I can see that we would be safricing soldiers to accomplish absolutely nothing.
Bush wants war, everyone can see that. What most people don't consider is that if you put troops into a place like Iraq, our soldiers will be surrounded 1000 miles in every direction by people who 'do not want them there'.
Our bombs, weapons, and technology, are not useful for the kind of war he wants to put us into.
If/when we go into Iraq, it will be close quarters fighting in unfamiliar territory, where the advantage is clearly in the hands of the enemy.
It will not be like desert storm, there would be heavy casualties on our end.
Waging some of the wars that Bush wants is just like when we dropped people into the South Pacific Jungles.
All of this to 'try' to take out a man who when gone will not stop the source of our problems. It's a stupid battle being lead by an idiot who wants to finish what his father couldn't.
Killing Saddam will solve nothing, unless we intend to assimilate Iraq into the United States and put up our own government to rule them. Otherwise another dictator will just take over and it will have been for nothing.
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A sleep deprived Koosh Man stammered:
I'm hurt.
It's Thursday, have to fill my abuse quota...
You know you want it...
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It's a stupid battle being lead by an idiot who wants to finish what his father couldn't.
I rest my case. People can't even debate this without insults. If he is such an idiot then why is he in office?
No one said the war would be easy. But that doesn't mean it should not be waged. WWII was not an easy war. But it was not a war we ould hav eavoided. Pearl Harbor or not.
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Koosh Man had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Should I get the black or the red ropes?
Lets go for the red this time.. Black caused a color clash.
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Check out the big brain on Azizza!
If he is such an idiot then why is he in office?
It was either him or Gore. I believe people were crying as they ticked Bush's name. 
FLORIDA!!
*ducks and runs for cover, cackling all the way*
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Azizza had this to say about (_|_):
I rest my case. People can't even debate this without insults. If he is such an idiot then why is he in office?
No one said the war would be easy. But that doesn't mean it should not be waged. WWII was not an easy war. But it was not a war we ould hav eavoided. Pearl Harbor or not.
Technicially I should have said it was a smart move, hard to vote out a president during wartime, if he gets his war then he wont have to worry as much about getting booted come election time.
Why is he in office? Because he got voted in. I didn't vote for him, but I did vote so I getta complain =P
There is simply no legit reason to wage war against one man in this case, as even if we did succeed it won't accomplish anything.
Waging war against every nation with weapons of mass destruction won't accomplish anything aside from getting Americans killed; since he is willing to start war, but not occupy the country.
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Mr Mort was naked while typing this:
It was either him or Gore. I believe people were crying as they ticked Bush's name.
No it wasn't, more then 2 people ran for the presidency.
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We were all impressed when Aanile wrote:
*grins evily at Az*FLORIDA!!
*ducks and runs for cover, cackling all the way*
*snares you and then bonks you on the head*
Florida is a bunch of Idiots. However current recounts by Newspaper and the such have only increased the ammount of Votes that Buch had. Look at a map of the election. Gore won almost NO area in the US> He just managed to win a few big (and liveral) areas.
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Verily, Azizza doth proclaim:
Florida is a bunch of Idiots
Yep, fark.com even gave Florida their own icon because so much whacky crap happens there =)
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Reynar had this to say:
No it wasn't, more then 2 people ran for the presidency.
I repeat, it was either Bush or Gore.
*coughs*
Er.. sorry, still sick...
And this war, if it occurs, is gonna be brutal. I dunno if people seem to think it's gonna be another Desert Storm, because it's not. In Desert Storm, we had months to build a massive power base in Saudi Arabia, and rather than be attacked, we were allowed to do so. Iraq waited for us to come to them in the open desert, and that is why they were slaughtered.
Saddam may be nuts, but he's no fool. He won't let us get a foothold so easily again. He'll make us pay for every mile of land we take, and when they start sending kids my age back home in body bags, public support for Bush will evaporate in a hurry. We're not like the World War 2 generation. We haven't lived through a Depression. We haven't the cajones to soldier on in the face of grievous losses. Our grandparents are astronomically tougher than we are. Can you imagine how much people would bitch if they started rationing gas again?
As it stands right now, if we were to declare war tomorrow, I couldn't support a war on Iraq. That is to say, I would still serve, if asked. But I don't want to be asked.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Shit, I dont even remember who I did vote for ;o
We can't treat Nuclear Capability as a reason to go to war. There are reasons to go to war with Iraq besides nuclear weapons, oil, and family vendettas, .
North Korea, while being a government that I all in all pretty much hate, is a whole different animal from Iraq.
They can't be handled, threatened, and beaten the same way Iraq can. They're actually somewhat reputable. Iraq gets sympathy points from some nations, and some "The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend" perks, but that's it. North Korea is a problem, but it's not a problem we need to deal with with war right now.
And, well, I hate to say it, though, but there's not a doubt in my mind that a large portion of the government is making decisions regarding Iraq based on the upcoming Congressional elections, and the 2004 Election. I'm not really a Democrat or a Republican, a Conservative or a Liberal... Labeling myself would only make me feel as though I should think a certain way because I am that... Rather, I have some Liberal views, and some Conservative views, it's just that way. I say this, because people accusing Bush and the Republicans of turning the War On Terror into a political tool need to remember that while it might have been initiated as a real War on Terror primarily by Bush, both parties have turned it into a tool. There are just as many Democrats backing the war because they know that otherwise, they'll get smacked down in November.
I'm still not to big on any conflict with North Korea...
Then again, maybe Cold War will be coming back in style soon, like Bellbottoms...
"The Arabic Fundamentalist Muslim Grunge thing is so last year, The latest thing is going retro with Communists and Nuclear weapons."
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People can't even debate this without insults
I really don't have much else to say. This is not a flame, but advice. You can figure out the advice.
Lick Bush 2000!
'Nuff said.
On the other hand, Bush chose an issue that has some validity. Saddam Hussein does have chemical weapons. He used them in the Iran/Iraq war nearly twenty years ago. He's exposed his own people to them. He kicked weapon inspectors out because they were getting too close, which violated one of the terms of surrender/cease fire.
The guy is a serious threat. Whether he's a clear and present danger to the US through chemical weapons, supplying/supporting terrorists (he pays the families of people who terror-bomb Israel, and we have proof), or whatever is beside the point. He is a serious threat. Question isn't if he needs to go. The question is if we're going to wait. He could be the next Castro, more or less containable, we don't like him and he doesn't like us, but he's under control. Or he could be the next Hitler, lashing out at everyone he doesn't like and using religious prejudice as an excuse. Not a matter of IF he needs to go, it's a matter of when we're going to dedicate ourselves to doing it.
As for Korea, all signs point to the fact they're trying to do one of two things...NK has been living in a poverty state for decades now. They've run their nation into the ground; military big, non military small. We reached out to them, offering massive amounts of money in exchange for cooperation on the nuke issue. Instead, they take the aid and make nukes anyway. Now it's hard to say what, exactly, they're threatening. Stop calling them an Axis of Evil member? Okay...why violate the agreement that was helping you? Assist us more because we have nukes and could give them out? Do you really want to threaten people in your precarious position?
Ideally the Korean nuke situation is just them coming clean without hostile or extortive intent. On the other hand, you'll have to pardon me if I don't hold my breath.
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