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Topic: DoT stacking
Taylen
Pancake
posted 08-16-2002 02:33:05 PM
DoT stacking to go on test soon

This link was posted on my guild's message board and I found it interesting.

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Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
Steven Steve
posted 08-16-2002 02:41:48 PM
Ow... ow... ow ow... ow ow ow... ow ow... ow ow ow ow
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Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 08-16-2002 02:47:01 PM
Sucks to be an NPC I guess.
"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Taylen
Pancake
posted 08-16-2002 03:03:51 PM
Hmm now all the necros will be going SPLURT SPLURT SPLURT on the NPC's. Poor npc's indeed.
"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd." - Tom Lehrer.
Sadomasochism: It's Fun!
Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 08-16-2002 03:11:33 PM
I wonder how many encounters this will trivialize before they nerf it to hell and back.
Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 08-16-2002 03:13:06 PM
quote:
Verily, Delphi Aegis doth proclaim:
I wonder how many encounters this will trivialize before they nerf it to hell and back.

None that I can think of.

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 08-16-2002 03:18:34 PM
quote:
D©'s account was hax0red to write:
None that I can think of.

Nonono, you don't get it! THIS IS BAD! You'll have Necro Splurt teams replace the Wizard Manaburn teams, and they'll be able to solo Emperor with their pets tanking! OH NO! NERF NERF NERF NECROS! Delphi is right!

Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 08-16-2002 03:20:21 PM
Drones of doom, winged death, breath of ro, and druid epic snare/dot effect all stack anywyays.

*shrugs*

Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 08-16-2002 03:25:24 PM
DoTs still suck ass except for soloing.

Shaman and Necro DoTs still own Druid's.

Druids and Necros are still shafted in encounters.

Oh well

Taylen
Pancake
posted 08-16-2002 03:32:54 PM
This is so 5 necros on a raid won't stand around scratching their butts
"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd." - Tom Lehrer.
Sadomasochism: It's Fun!
Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 08-16-2002 03:34:03 PM
so.. in raid encounters, just use the two DD's that work the best, along with healing *shrugs*

Not like Druids can buff outside of Circle of Seasons, and maybe some people would rather have prot of the glades then aego, and I've *very* rarly seen regrowth of the grove... So Shamans have a better regen. Mage own us with damage shields...

I find it funny that most people who play druids do so because they can solo up to 60. But when they go on raids, they whine because they feel usless.

Me, I played a druid because of the ports, wolf form and other little nifty things. I had no idea that druids could solo so well untill about 30. (that's when I truely started to solo, I was always grouped with some friends in EK for a long time)

Don't really care about being usless in a raid, the only thing that bothers me is when other people make offremark comments about it to me. It really pisses me off to hear someone say "What the hell good are you, dr00d?"
And yet, I'm the one who's usually healing said asshole's life...

Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 08-16-2002 03:35:43 PM
I just gave up my druid myself. Some people like it, some don't.
Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 08-16-2002 03:43:20 PM
I like being a druid. That's not why I gave her up. It was a *very* hard decision not to play on the server she's on. If I had the money and could keep her epic, I would probaly transfer her so I could continue to play her.

(I don't want to go through the hell of getting her epic again mostly... took me since the bloody things were implicated till about 2 or 3 months ago to finish)

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 08-16-2002 04:00:08 PM
quote:
Aanicat stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
I like being a druid. That's not why I gave her up. It was a *very* hard decision not to play on the server she's on. If I had the money and could keep her epic, I would probaly transfer her so I could continue to play her.

(I don't want to go through the hell of getting her epic again mostly... took me since the bloody things were implicated till about 2 or 3 months ago to finish)


You keep your epic if you do a character move, methinks.

Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 08-16-2002 04:01:28 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Delphi Aegis stammered:
You keep your epic if you do a character move, methinks.

I've heard mixxed stories. Some say you don't, some say you do.. even heard that it's only mages that keep theirs

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 08-16-2002 04:06:24 PM
quote:
Aanicat spewed forth this undeniable truth:
I've heard mixxed stories. Some say you don't, some say you do.. even heard that it's only mages that keep theirs

Only Mages.

Because their epic is a spell.

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Oh shi...
what
posted 08-16-2002 04:08:24 PM
Heh, some bug will be on where it would allow slows to stack
Cetona
Pancake
posted 08-16-2002 04:08:54 PM
Only mages keep theirs, considering its a spell
Mod
Pancake
posted 08-16-2002 05:00:32 PM
6 FPoKs on a mob....that+s some evil dps right there.
Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Maradon!
posted 08-16-2002 11:38:10 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Tier the Genius™:
DoTs still suck ass except for soloing.

Shaman and Necro DoTs still own Druid's.

Druids and Necros are still shafted in encounters.

Oh well


Of course you realize that because you're saying that, true or not, YOU'RE WHINING!

And if you try to prove it's true then you're just stubborn and impossible to argue with.

Oh shi...
what
posted 08-16-2002 11:39:11 PM
Stupid, stubborn whiner
Maradon!
posted 08-16-2002 11:39:21 PM
quote:
Gevarien / Modrakien's fortune cookie read:
6 FPoKs on a mob....that+s some evil dps right there.

Do six even exist on any server?

Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 08-16-2002 11:41:31 PM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Maradön²!
Of course you realize that because you're saying that, true or not, YOU'RE WHINING!

And if you try to prove it's true then you're just stubborn and impossible to argue with.


I'm not whining, I'm bashing.

People can't go "omg haev u even plaeyed a druied!!///?" when I bash them, since I have.

Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 08-16-2002 11:48:28 PM
15 buff limit is still there, so it isnt as great as it could be.
Taylen
Pancake
posted 08-17-2002 12:41:09 AM
Actually they seem to have found a way around the 15 limit. I believe that is mentioned further down in the thread.
"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd." - Tom Lehrer.
Sadomasochism: It's Fun!
Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 08-17-2002 12:48:02 AM
quote:
Taylen had this to say about Duck Tales:
Actually they seem to have found a way around the 15 limit. I believe that is mentioned further down in the thread.

Looked through the thread.. didnt find anything.

[ 08-17-2002: Message edited by: Pesco ]

Maradon!
posted 08-17-2002 12:55:58 AM
quote:
Pesco wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Looked through the thread.. didnt find anything.

Ditto.

If I still played a Necro I would have been bitterly dissapointed yet again.

Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 08-17-2002 12:58:18 AM
quote:
Maradön² had this to say about Captain Planet:
Ditto.

If I still played a Necro I would have been bitterly dissapointed yet again.


The 15 buff limit goes far beyond necro dot stacking. It effects everyone.

Maradon!
posted 08-17-2002 01:03:35 AM
quote:
Pesco obviously shouldn't have said:
The 15 buff limit goes far beyond necro dot stacking. It effects everyone.

And yet six wizards can still land six nukes, six rogues can still land six backstabs, and any number of any class that deals damage as a primary function can still deal thier damage regardless of how many of thier class is present.

Except necros.

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 08-17-2002 01:12:53 AM
Six necros can still land six DoTs, it just so happens that that DoT can be FP.
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 08-17-2002 01:13:40 AM
quote:
Maradön² had this to say about Pirotess:
And yet six wizards can still land six nukes, six rogues can still land six backstabs, and any number of any class that deals damage as a primary function can still deal thier damage regardless of how many of thier class is present.

Except necros.


quote:
Pesco spewed forth this undeniable truth:
The 15 buff limit goes far beyond necro dot stacking. It effects everyone.
Eomer
Pancake
posted 08-17-2002 01:41:18 AM
The real problem is, what happens if one of those DoTs happens to take the place of slow on a bgh encounter. = (

Then you have a mob like aaryonar who will own the raid without slow and the 15 buff/debuff limit is already reached. = (

[ 08-17-2002: Message edited by: Eomer ]

Eomer Dealy la la la wheee
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Maradon!
posted 08-17-2002 02:43:16 AM
quote:
Pesco had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
The 15 buff limit goes far beyond necro dot stacking. It effects everyone.

Never claimed it didn't. I only claimed Necros were the only class whose primary ability was directly crippled by it.

Taylen
Pancake
posted 08-17-2002 04:10:11 AM
However, after some massive late night rewriting, we have an answer to the 15 slot limit for NPCs. We should be able to extend it out at least a little now.

We'll have to see how far we can take it, though - Adding a pile of new slots to every NPC in the game could have some pretty bad side effects that we'll be monitoring and tuning on test.


...and we'll have to call yesterday "20+ hours" instead.

- S.

I gathered from that, that they have managed to surpass the 15buff limit on npcs by at least a bit.

"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd." - Tom Lehrer.
Sadomasochism: It's Fun!
Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
Mod
Pancake
posted 08-17-2002 05:04:46 AM
quote:
Maradön² spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Do six even exist on any server?

My guild owns four of those afaik, they aren+t all that rare.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 08-17-2002 05:25:46 AM
and for those of us who are pre-level 40, this means i can partner up and waste shit with my friend's Necro
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 08-17-2002 06:07:06 AM
PLEASE DONT GET MARADON STARTED ON NECROS!!!
Willias
Pancake
posted 08-17-2002 10:27:11 AM
quote:
Quoted from necro.eqclasses.com:
As lame as it is to quote oneself:

I wrote:

"* Unfortunately, the 15 effect limit is a totally different beast. It's one we'd like to tackle at some point, but not likely in the short term. Anything that PCs and NPCs have in common is a real bear, as I hope you can imagine."

and

"We all feel very strongly about this game - Or we wouldn't spend 12+ hours a day working on it. It's pretty much as simple as that."


Yes - That was the downside. Each copy of a DoT takes up its own slot, due to duration, focus, and damage credit differences.

We definitely know the effect that would have on DoT casters on raids. (Between Rowyl and Jahaar and the boards -- I get it. I swear.


However, after some massive late night rewriting, we have an answer to the 15 slot limit for NPCs. We should be able to extend it out at least a little now.

We'll have to see how far we can take it, though - Adding a pile of new slots to every NPC in the game could have some pretty bad side effects that we'll be monitoring and tuning on test.


...and we'll have to call yesterday "20+ hours" instead.

- S.


So yes, there will be a stretch on the 15 buff limit.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 08-17-2002 03:18:29 PM
Wait wait wait...Necros can land spells on boss encounters?!
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
UBT
Pancake
posted 08-18-2002 12:20:37 AM
Nae had her Epic before we moved servers. She lost it along with everything else. The only class that keeps their Epic is a Mage because they cant take away a spell.
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