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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-26-2002 07:24:13 PM
WTF do you do to a computer to make it impossible to get the Start Menu to come up?

I set my nephews' computer up today down at their house. And I booted it up, and the Start Menu would let you press it, but it wouldn't respond.

When I went under My Computer, I didn't get a drive listing. All it said was %THISDRINAME%. Couldn't look up Program Files or Windows or anything. Even when I typed it in at the top of the query window, it just said that.

Tried to restore the system from the backup files, but that didn't change things. I don't know WHAT my nephews did to it, because they had a Start Menu when they bought it.

I plan to wipe it and reinstall, I was just curious if anyone had ever seen a computer do something like that before. And, they don't have a Windows disk. Can I install Win98SE from my own copy, or will the license number give me problems?


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Taeldian
Pancake
posted 07-26-2002 08:07:46 PM
It might be a screenshotted desktop used for the background with the real taskbar hidden on the side with the screen stretched so it's invisible.


That's how I'd do it.

edit: Tried the windows key?

[ 07-26-2002: Message edited by: Taeldian ]

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-26-2002 08:12:23 PM
My nephews are 9 and 11. And they don't have the computer knowledge to do something like that. They don't even know how to install games on it.

So no, it's not a screenshotted desktop.

And even if it were, I wouldn't be able to double click on the icons and get the %TRIDRIVNAME% under My Computer.


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Taeldian
Pancake
posted 07-26-2002 08:13:47 PM
Well maybe they forgot to hide the icons :P

But does the windows key work?

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-26-2002 08:16:17 PM
Trust me. They wouldn't know the first thing about doing that. They think of it like my Mom does, to play games and write stuff on. They think I'm some Computer Goddess because I can build my own.

Didn't get to try the Windows key. I had just gotten back from taking my sister to an appointment, and I dropped by to set their system up (See? They didn't even know how to connect the cables. How could they screenshot a desktop? :P) and see what I could do with it.


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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 07-26-2002 08:21:13 PM
Sweet Zombie Jebus!

Sounds like the motherboard knows there's a drive there, but it's like the whole file allocation tree is deleted. Can you rename the drive at all? Something may have just messed with that. Or not.

I'm surprised you can even boot it up. I'd tell 'em that they're looking at losing everything. Wipe, reinstall.

and 98SE should install fine, I would think. You need to know your code to install it, though.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-26-2002 08:23:01 PM
What worried me *was* the code.

I've used it on my own computer. I wanted to make sure I could reuse it on theirs.

They have 98SE, only it was a computer they bought from Rent-A-Center, which didn't give them anything even relating to a restore disk. So it's basically just reinstalling what they have already.


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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 07-26-2002 08:42:08 PM
if it's Windows 98SE install disk you're fine. Enter the code. It'll work. I used my Win 98 disk on three different computers. Worked fine. You need to know your product key to install it though. It'll ask for it as it finishes installing Win 98.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-26-2002 09:06:06 PM
I've got that. Was just worried about reusing the code.

But I still wonder at it. How the hell can you delete your entire file allocation tree...and have it still boot up Windows? And run games?? I mean, there are no files listed under My Computer. I can't access Windows Explorer to check things there. I could not believe something like that could happen.


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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 07-26-2002 09:14:15 PM
If it's corrupted, it's still there. Just broken. Maybe a nasty virus. Do you know if they have any antivirus protection?

But I sincerely doubt it's at all recoverable. I wouldn't know where to start trying.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-26-2002 09:16:34 PM
But they weren't on the internet ever. They just used it to play games.

They're going to have antivirus protection now, anyway. I'll install Norton from my disks for them.

Once they get a phone line, I told them they could use my emergency dial-up account I keep now in case the cable goes down. So they'll want it then.


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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 07-26-2002 09:26:25 PM
Hmm...no online. Might've accidentally formatted something. Or something similar to that. I'd give them a crash course in installing stuff once you install the OS just to be on the safe side.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-26-2002 09:27:17 PM
I probably will.

Or at least Wesley. He's a smart cookie. Ronnie's not as good with electrical stuff.


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Maradon!
posted 07-26-2002 10:01:06 PM
I once used an MSOffice 2k code to install Win98. used the same code to install Win2k. Also used a WinXP code to install OfficeXP.

I'm not pirating these, I just lose the codes

Don't worry. Big Brother MS isn't going to bang down your door and arrest you or send some signal through the phone lines that will disable your copy of windows if you reuse a code.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-26-2002 10:02:31 PM

That wasn't my worry.

My worry was that it wouldn't accept the code if it's already been used once on my computer


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Ruvie's Alt
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
posted 07-26-2002 11:43:03 PM
As for how the computer got messed up in the first place, I have one word: Magnets.

Hey, kids like to experiment.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-27-2002 02:45:09 AM
But wouldn't that wipe everything, not just the file allocation tree?


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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 07-27-2002 06:05:46 AM
it'd have to affect it through the casing of the computer and the casing of the hard drive. couldn't do it with just your garden variety fridge magnet.

But yeah actually it would do similar damage. depending where on the drive it got close to.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-27-2002 06:12:15 AM
Was packed away in their closet after the move

And before that it was in the living room at the old house, IIRC.

Near a TV, but my computer is next to my TV, too, and I've never had that happen


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`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 07-27-2002 09:32:49 AM
For any Windows operating system prior to XP, you can install on as many systems as you want with the same key, and it won't raise any objections. However, if you call tech support, they register your key and record the type of computer you have, so make sure they know never ever to call Microsoft tech support if you use your CD key to install on their computer.

I used to do that. I'd set up a new computer, use the same CD and key to install on the new computer as I'd used to install on the one I was replacing.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-27-2002 02:23:54 PM
Nah, they'll just call Aunt Candace Tech Support


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Maradon!
posted 07-27-2002 02:27:31 PM
deleting random files in windows/system32 would also do the trick
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 07-27-2002 02:29:34 PM
Your nephews are 9 and 11?

[OVERREACTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST]

OMG~ IT'S A SIGN!!! THE COMPUTER IS GOING TO BE USED FOR TERRORISM ONO!!~

[/OVERREACTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST]

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-27-2002 02:33:04 PM
True

Although they could have just run something that did that. I was deleting a lot of things off their desktop yesterday (the thing was FULL Of icons, sheesh) and they didn't realize you right clicked to delete.

Or how to get into something like My Computer or Windows Explorer.

Need to give those rugrats a crash course in using a computer.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-27-2002 02:33:39 PM
quote:
Khyron wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Your nephews are 9 and 11?

[OVERREACTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST]

OMG~ IT'S A SIGN!!! THE COMPUTER IS GOING TO BE USED FOR TERRORISM ONO!!~

[/OVERREACTING CONSPIRACY THEORIST]


ROFLMAO!


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Talienas
Someone explain this to me!
posted 07-27-2002 03:26:56 PM
I've seen that before.

There was a corruption in a DLL file - don't remember which one off the top of my head - that was a big supporter of Explorer.exe. It cracked things badly.

Chances are, if you'd just done a quick reinstall, it would have fixed it. But it also could have done nothing.

Aren't DLL files FUN?!

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 07-27-2002 03:31:19 PM
I tried a restore. The computer is a PB, and it had an icon for troubleshooting. It gave me an option to restore from the backup files, which did nothing, same problem.

So I'm assuming they must have gotten corrupted to. I don't believe they're going to be stuck with this machine for long. I think Aunt Candace is going to build them another, better one.


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