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Topic: Horizons?
Maradon!
posted 07-12-2002 01:25:00 PM
I remember hearing about this game waaaay back in the early days of EQ.

Now, I revisit thier web page, and (much like Glitchless did to Dawn) the information on the game seems dramatically downplayed. A single information page and a simple FAQ have completely replaced the news, forum, and elaborate FAQ system they used to have. An estimated release date is nowhere to be found.

Who here thinks the game is a legitimate project? What makes you think that way?

Who thinks it's a hoax? What makes you think so?

[ 07-12-2002: Message edited by: Maradön² ]

Mr. Wilams
Pancake
posted 07-12-2002 01:26:18 PM
I think it's a legitimate project, but let's be realistic here. What they were promising was a bit much.
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 07-12-2002 01:26:45 PM
I never thought it'd see the shelves. And I still don't think it will.

The game was boasting too much. It's nice for developers to have dreams, but they have to be a little realistic as well.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Bast
Pancake
posted 07-12-2002 01:26:47 PM
Like all things in my life... I am losing hope here. =(
I'M AANILE DAMNIT!!!
you know.. the [(_|_)] rogue..
Maradon!
posted 07-12-2002 01:36:41 PM
What were they promising that was so unrealistic?

Why does that make you think the game won't be published?

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 07-12-2002 01:38:31 PM
They were promising pretty much the ideal RPG. No I cant give you details as to what exactly.

Its not gonna hit shelves -- at least nowhere near what it was going to be like originally.

Skaw
posted 07-12-2002 01:40:10 PM
quote:
Maradön² had this to say about the Spice Girls:
What were they promising that was so unrealistic?

It wasn't so much "unrealistic" as it was "time consuming and not possible" because of the lack of developers they kept stumbling in to. It was like, every month someone got laid off and the game got pushed back even more.

[ 07-12-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]

Bast
Pancake
posted 07-12-2002 01:43:06 PM
That and it was looking like you needed a really fast super computer to play it...
I'M AANILE DAMNIT!!!
you know.. the [(_|_)] rogue..
Maradon!
posted 07-12-2002 01:43:45 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr wrote this stupid crap:
Its not gonna hit shelves -- at least nowhere near what it was going to be like originally.

Well that doesn't mean much. Just look at the pre-beta pictures of EQ, and the things Verant was promising.

Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 07-12-2002 01:44:22 PM
quote:
Maradön² had this to say about Pirotess:
What were they promising that was so unrealistic?

Why does that make you think the game won't be published?



They are trying to put way too much into the game. Basically it did what Dawn did...everytime someone asked 'will this be in it?' They said yes. People said they wanted ____ they said yes.

Trying to create the perfect game isn't something that can be done, they were trying to cater to everyones needs rather then create their own game.

Balancing issues...if hell freezes over and the game makes it live, no way will it be balanced. Developers can barely balance a couple classes at once as it is now. Look at dragons, there were already "dragon guilds" being made 2 years ago for this vaporware game.

How would you like to play against something that could just fly by and drop you from 3000 feet (as they boasted on the dev boards)?

Too me they just seemed like a Dev team with stars in their eyes. They need to get more jaded with the gaming industry before they are ready to produce anything

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Skaw
posted 07-12-2002 01:44:51 PM
quote:
Maradön² stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
the things Verant was promising.

You mean the stuff they're just now getting around to implementing?

Maradon!
posted 07-12-2002 01:45:18 PM
quote:
How.... Bast.... uughhhhhh:
That and it was looking like you needed a really fast super computer to play it...

They released system specs once, if I recall, and the minimum video card for the current version was a Geforce 2. (people were pissed because of the steep requirements at the time, lol)

I think the game still has a chance. It doesn't look like Artifact has anything else on the stove at the time.

Skaw
posted 07-12-2002 01:47:55 PM
Oh, it still has a chance to be shelved, but it's not what it was going to be.
Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 07-12-2002 01:50:36 PM
I'll agree with Skaw here... Their objectives are nowhere as big as before, but they're serious now
Nicole
The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
posted 07-12-2002 05:04:29 PM
I think it's a legitimate project. It's not as far-fetched as Dawn, and actually looked like people were working on it.

What I think happened was when they tried to create all the stuff they were promising, they hit a wall. It was either too hard or impossible, so instead of facing the frothing hordes, they're retreating into their shell and screaming "WE PROMISED NOTHINK!" while desperately trying to find a way to make this work.

I WOULD like to see it happen though. Dryads look far too interesting to pass up. I'd like to see a game that puts in a tiny winged thing and does it right.



I just spent
my last cent
purchasing this poverty.

Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 07-12-2002 05:26:42 PM
Now, wasn't this the game where, as the story went, the players could play (amongst other things) Daemons and Daemon-summoning mages?

And thus, PvP madness would ensue?

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Skaw
posted 07-12-2002 06:34:19 PM
They could've done what they were promising if Artifact didn't keep laying off developers/developers quit.
Arrenn Lightblade
Yes. Yes he is.
posted 07-12-2002 06:38:24 PM
I have no doubt it will hit shelfs. Actually, I am looking forward to my great grand children getting to play it
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 07-12-2002 06:51:18 PM
quote:
Arrenn Lightblade had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I have no doubt it will hit shelfs. Actually, I am looking forward to my great grand children getting to play it

*snickers*

I think Horizons should have done what NWN did...Use a very solid game system as the base, with rules for everything written in, then come up with the basic gaming environment, but encourage others to make up their own environments.

I think that when the time comes, and this is me being a whacko here, games like EQ will collapse because there's just too many people. EQ has been remarkably fast in getting out expansions, if you think about it. For new companies without huge backing, that sort of constant development would be impossible, and big companies don't like blowing big money on things they're not sure of.

Easier to offset things to the players' responsibility rather than keep it in house.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Maradon!
posted 07-12-2002 08:19:34 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael said:
I think Horizons should have done what NWN did...

Yeah, except I was very, VERY dissapointed with NWN...

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 07-12-2002 08:26:46 PM
Eh...if you could in some way make a utility to run a first person version, I imagine it would be better. But that's just me.

I think NWN was a step in the right direction, though. I'll be looking forward to seeing what comes down the line.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Maradon!
posted 07-12-2002 08:33:41 PM
I'll say NWN was a...timid little siddle in the right direction.

They had a good concept but utterly failed to utilize it to it's potential.

Frankly, the game plays far too much like a much slower-paced Diablo 2 with more elaborate character creation, and a more boring item system.

What I'd like to see is a game like Morrowind with the NWN peer-to-peer architecture.

Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 07-12-2002 08:36:20 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Maradön² said this:

Frankly, the game plays far too much like a much slower-paced Diablo 2 with more elaborate character creation, and a more boring item system.


Wow. I thought I was the only person in the world who believed that.

After playing NWN I wanted to play D2x to hack things up :-(

Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 07-12-2002 10:31:39 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Maradön²:
What I'd like to see is a game like Morrowind with the NWN peer-to-peer architecture.

Same here, but I'm seeing it in bits and peices in various games. Someday, when the various bits have been worked out, someone will throw them together and make a good game with them.

I would rather they take it slow and make small steps, than see someone try it before everything's ready and make a dreadful game that gives those ideas a bad reputation.

I would kill to be able to play NWN in first person, with EQ level emotes, though.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Maradon!
posted 07-12-2002 11:57:05 PM
NWN will never be first person sadly.

You'd have to program things like a horizon view and a sky and all...

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