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Tristan
Vidi, vici, veni.
Nae's Stooge
posted 07-03-2002 02:29:25 AM
(the christian) God is reputed to be all powerful, right?

(more questions once I get an anwser to this)

Veni, vidi, vici
Fizodeth
an unflattering title
posted 07-03-2002 02:31:07 AM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Fennar:
(the christian) God is reputed to be all powerful, right?

(more questions once I get an anwser to this)


*was going to post something here but decided to avoid the flames*

Bast
Pancake
posted 07-03-2002 10:59:04 AM
So what's with the sudden intrest in the christian god?
I'M AANILE DAMNIT!!!
you know.. the [(_|_)] rogue..
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 07-03-2002 11:25:33 AM
quote:
Fennar's account was hax0red to write:
(the christian) God is reputed to be all powerful, right?

That really depends on who you ask, doesn't it?

Christians say yes.
Non-Christians say no.
Athiests say hua?

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Talonus
Loner
posted 07-03-2002 11:53:01 AM
Christian here, and I say not exactly with the Christian God. God is *supposed* to be all powerful, but reading the Bible and other religious texts will lead you to believe s/he's not all powerful, or simply chooses not to excersize his/her power. It depends on how you view the subject.
Bast
Pancake
posted 07-03-2002 12:18:40 PM
most gods are like that... not all powerful, just get's urges to excersize their godly powers.
I'M AANILE DAMNIT!!!
you know.. the [(_|_)] rogue..
Maradon!
posted 07-03-2002 12:20:47 PM
quote:
Talonus had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Christian here, and I say not exactly with the Christian God. God is *supposed* to be all powerful, but reading the Bible and other religious texts will lead you to believe s/he's not all powerful, or simply chooses not to excersize his/her power. It depends on how you view the subject.

He "works in mysterious ways".

A general theme of omnipotence is prominent, though.

Alleria Qui'farush
Chica!
posted 07-03-2002 12:35:45 PM
(Note: I'm Catholic)

Well God is suppose to be the one and only true god in this world. So he should claim the fact that he is all powerful. He also works in Judaism(Jewish) and Muslim (I think... or was it Islamic?) so it's not just Christianity that he works in.

Razor
posted 07-03-2002 12:41:55 PM
quote:
Alleria Qui'farush's account was hax0red to write:
(Note: I'm Catholic)

Well God is suppose to be the one and only true god in this world. So he should claim the fact that he is all powerful. He also works in Judaism(Jewish) and Muslim (I think... or was it Islamic?) so it's not just Christianity that he works in.



Islamic.
Think about all the other religions of the world

Astronomy is a passion...
Engineering is a love...
My job isn't a job, it's my career, and I love every minute of it: Observatory Superintendent
Alleria Qui'farush
Chica!
posted 07-03-2002 12:45:04 PM
quote:
Razor impressed everyone with:

Islamic.
Think about all the other religions of the world

All of the other religions in the world basically have more than one god/goddess, so the powers are split.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 07-03-2002 12:50:41 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Alleria Qui'farush said this:
So the powers are split.
Earth!


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Soldar
I'll take two of anything, please. To go.
posted 07-03-2002 12:52:29 PM
quote:
The Black Mage... had this to say about Optimus Prime:
[QUOTE]There was much rejoicing when Alleria Qui'farush said this:
[qb]So the powers are split.

Earth![/QB][/QUOTE]

Wind!

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 07-03-2002 12:53:41 PM
quote:
Soldar had this to say about Duck Tales:
Wind!
I thought Fire was next.

[ 07-03-2002: Message edited by: The Black Mage... ]



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Addy
posted 07-03-2002 12:58:11 PM
Fire!
Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 07-03-2002 12:58:17 PM
Wind!


As long as I don't get heart.

[ 07-03-2002: Message edited by: Lenlalron ]

Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Maradon!
posted 07-03-2002 12:58:41 PM
quote:
Alleria Qui'farush had this to say about Robocop:
All of the other religions in the world basically have more than one god/goddess, so the powers are split.

No, not really. In fact, polytheistic concepts are largely gone from modern religion.

Most worship "minor gods" in the same sense that catholics worship saints and angels.

Matilda Jane
ph33r my MIRVs
posted 07-03-2002 02:10:21 PM
I so claim water.
There was a signature here... it's gone now.
Kermitov
Pancake
posted 07-03-2002 02:12:19 PM
Aww man, I gotta be stuck with dorky ass heart again?

*sigh*

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 07-03-2002 02:29:34 PM
quote:
Alleria Qui'farush had this to say about Captain Planet:
All of the other religions in the world basically have more than one god/goddess, so the powers are split.

Don't forget those zany non-theists! Buddhism, Jediism, Taoism, and Confuscusism, hurray!

Moffles
Pancake
posted 07-03-2002 02:32:20 PM
...don't get me started.
"Got some dark desire? Love to play with fire? Why not let it rip? Live a little bit!"
Blue Angel
Pancake
posted 07-03-2002 02:54:03 PM
quote:
Alleria Qui'farush was naked while typing this:
All of the other religions in the world basically have more than one god/goddess, so the powers are split.


Not really, in wicca there is The All which is represented by the God and the Goddess [and then they can be split up into minor deities (spelling)], sorta like ying and yang but they are still part of one whole just different aspects of that so the powers the same no matter which god and/or goddess your dealing with.

[ 07-03-2002: Message edited by: Blue Angel ]

Surrounded by familiar faces with no name
None of them know me
Or want to share my pain
They only wish to bask in my light
Then fade away
To win my love, to them a game
To watch me live my life in vain
When all is done and the glitter fades, fades away
They'll get theirs eventually
And I hope I'm there
Tristan
Vidi, vici, veni.
Nae's Stooge
posted 07-03-2002 03:17:02 PM
ok, so there is nothing that (the christian) God cant do, correct?
Veni, vidi, vici
Bloodcookie
Pancake
posted 07-03-2002 03:32:19 PM
quote:
Fennar had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
ok, so there is nothing that (the christian) God cant do, correct?

This is going to be the "can God create a rock so big that even he can't lift it?" question, isn't it?

Well, I know the answer, and it is


""...destructive analysis of the familiar is the only method of approach to an understanding of fundamentally different modes of expression." -Edward Sapir, Language
Talonus
Loner
posted 07-03-2002 04:01:03 PM
quote:
Fennar enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
ok, so there is nothing that (the christian) God cant do, correct?

Ok, in general for religous questions you can't think in terms of black and white Fennar. That applies to most religions, not just Christianity.

And just to anwser your question, pretty much yeah. The real question is, "will he do everything or anything?"

Chalesm
There is no innuendo in this title.
posted 07-03-2002 10:50:34 PM
quote:
Fennar wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
ok, so there is nothing that (the christian) God cant do, correct?

to quote the Simpsons: "Short answer, 'yes' with an 'if', long answer 'no' with a 'but.'"

Well, that's a difficult question, you need to elaborate what you mean. If you mean can an omnipotent God do anything possible or concievable, sure, no problem there. I'd even be willing to go a few steps past there, as there are many inconcievable things that should by no means be out of the reach of omnipotence.

If you're including things that are self-contracitory, though, I think you're being silly to require that for omnipotence. For instance, if you define two things as being unable to co-exist, then of course they can't co-exist unless you change their definitions. As an example, if dark were defined as "the absence of light" (which isn't quite the real definition), then light and dark coudn't co-exist, regardless of the presence of omnipotence. If they were "made" to co-exist, then "dark" would no longer match it's own definition, and it could no longer be called dark.

(as an interesting side note, just because we think of something as contradictory doesn't necessarily mean it is. Just a century ago, anyone would have told you that "particle" and "wave" are mutually exclusive concepts: of course, it's turned out they can co-exist after all, though not quite in the forms we imagined them to exist.)

To give the word "Omnipotent" any kind of meaning, we need to take a deeper look at the concepts behind it, and past an overly simplified statement of "can do anything". Only if we do that can we have a meaningful discussion of god.

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