I suck at EQ. Royally. I completely and totally bite at it.
I've tried playing almost every class out there, and I can not play well as any of them. Maybe I just lack the patience needed for 6-hour-long EXP fests. But I just can not get the hang of this game.
I tried playing a bard, for usefulness. Until the EXP from grouping shot down to somewhere between 'zilch' and 'utter shit'. I tried soloing, and found that the only way I seem to be good at it, is by fear kiting. Which really doesn't work well if my damage output BITES ASS.
So I tried playing a rogue, which is fun, but once more, too damn group-dependent... and apparently, wherever I go, they always seem to suddenly have a problem with the rogue population booming (level 17, tried LOIO, Oasis, Highpass, NK, SK, and warrens. Could not find a group in any of those to save my life).
So now I'm playing a warrior, and once again, I am getting stuck by being wholly unable to find a group. And soloing... fight two fights, rest for 15 minutes to full. Fight two more, rest for 15 more.
I try and try, but I really can't get the hang of this damned game. Which sucks because I really want to. I want to hunt with my friends and become uber and shit.
Okay, I'm done ranting. Feel free to scream out 'bloody angster u sux' at will now.
Even with a cleric, I always have problems finding groups...
I don't know why I don't. Probably a combination of not wanting to have put all that time and effort in and still be unable to group with my friends... and wanting to be able to play something with my friends. [ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: Khyron ]
I love my new Weezard.
My friend, who royally sucks at EQ, is pictured below with me. Gnomie Weezards r fun.
Yes, I'm the one with the Froggie Robe...
Anyway, Khy.. I'm sorry you've had that problem... My only problem is having the dedication to level. I got Kegwen to 41... and, he's uh, remained there for a long while. 
They are desired in groups for pulling, desired on raids for pulling / dmg, and can solo all of the way to 60 if you want.
When I say solo, I mean solo a ton better then a warrior =p
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Sorcerers are great solo, and they're invaluable in RVR. Lotsa fun too.
OOoo! Or an infiltrator! Great damage, stealth, and you get to climb walls!
Much like me, though, you seem to have a lot of trouble coping with the game's inequities and time sinks [ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: Maradön² ]
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Maradön² stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
By the way, you don't suck at EQ. I don't think it's possible to suck at EQ.Marawhine
It IS possible to suck at EQ, you just need to hang around Oasis and Lake of Ill Omen to see people that somehow gained 20 levels without having the slightest clue how to play, heh
My record is a level 22 that didn't know what med was, nor did he ever put a point into it
Did he not notice a 4 minute downtime between individual spells?
Shadowknights can be tanks/extra damage and are pretty good soloers in their right.
Major soloing class = Necromancer. The Ultimate Soloer.
Or, if I stay in DL for 8 hours straight, I may grab a job in a group as a mana battery. Which I don't mind, except the groups hardly ever last more than 30 minutes.
To know me is to want to throw me off a cliff.
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Nobody really understood why Khyron wrote:
My bard is 34. OT is the only place he can reliably get a group, and an hour hunting there with a group MIGHT net 2 blue bubbles of EXP, if I'm lucky.Or, if I stay in DL for 8 hours straight, I may grab a job in a group as a mana battery. Which I don't mind, except the groups hardly ever last more than 30 minutes.
Yeah, you don't suck, that's just how the game is.
You should come to Luclin and hang out with Deth and me and the guild. We just went to IceClad last night. It was fun
And maybe you just need to try new areas. Stonebrunt's good at your level. Most things are dark blue to Lyinar there till you get way up high into the mountains.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Bard:
Bards have a rough time getting respect at low levels. Our bard (Azymyth, actually) generally gets slotted as the supplemental tank/group buffer when he plays. I'm told they can kite things well, but never having played one, my only experience is seeing bards kite the dark elf Nektulous Forest guards dead near the entrance of EC. Not much help for your situation.
Beastlord:
No data. Never played one, haven't grouped much with them
Cleric:
You will either love or hate clerics. And it depends ENTIRELY on who you group with at low levels. My little dwarf cleric Cuddy grouped with an uber-twinked ogre warrior in his formative levels and congratulations. You can set yourself to /follow all evening interspersed with periods of sitting down to med if you get stuck with an uber tank. Work on fight skills? No chance. Work on buff skills or ANY skill other than alteration? Screw you, shorty! To make a cleric work you have to have a bloody-minded stubbornness, in my opinion. Have to put your foot down about weapon skills, evocation skills, etc. If you're in a group with a druid or shaman, share the damned healing duty. These days, with their baby rezzes, I see a lot more clerics (lord knows I use them a lot more when I get ganked)
Druids:
I have fun with my druid (yeah believe it or not I have a druid. His name is Ramblyr, and he's a wood elf). He's only 13 right now, but I can solo if I want, or I can group. And with wood elves it's nutty how easy it's been for me to get his wisdom up. Now I have to actually get him a full set of armor at some point.
Enchanters:
Low level, you don't get much respect. People treat you like a crappy wizard, or (worse) some will treat you like a defective Magician (their logic being you have a pet, bla bla bla). Phooey on them. Hang in there til Breeze, and then eeeeeeeeeeeveryone is your friend. I like having them around. Slows? Debuffs? Pile them on the baddy. Charms and mezzes? Hot damn! Haste? Oh yeah, what tank doesn't like haste? Rune? Tasty. But it takes discipline, I gather. Probably why I never managed to stay with it.
Magician:
Okay...Deth IS a Magician. He's 25 now (yay). Magicians are great. You can, if you twist the right spells and know your target well, solo. Unfortunately, You start to get in a lurch. Some Magician research spells are broken (the 20th level Earth Pet, for instance, I think) meaning you have to go somewhere to buy it. I lucked out; it's in Neriak. Lots of fun if you want a lightweight night. ESPECIALLY when you group. You basically sit on your duff medding up mana while your pet goes in. You toss a couple nukes, you summon some handy items, you schmooze, make kissy faces at the wife, etc. And then people rain presents on you (maybe that part's just me...)
Monks:
Lots of combat moves to keep up. But fun. Plus if you get into being a monk, you can get in on the Batty/Densetsu "which race is better" argument, which is like watching little old men brandish canes threateningly at each other.
Necromancer:
Supposedly a lot of fun. If you play a gnome necro, though, GET THE HELL OUT OF STEAMFONT! Come back later to get the stuff for your gnomish necro quest stuff. I had a gnomish necro and I hated that damned @*&!! zone.
Paladins:
You're a (no offense, Mightion and Delphi) crappy tank til 9. It's just the way it is. Don't whine about it, don't gripe about it. At 9, though, you start to get some zippity in your doo da. Someone told me once that a paladin can solo...though in all the time I've had mine I've never quite figured out how, though I have seen a 20ish paladin cleaning house with a cleric buddy in Unrest.
Ranger:
Shamans and Magicians are my favorite classes. Rangers, however, come a close third. Everything I like about warriors, plus style, plus tracking, plus some spells, plus 44 damage criticals with a bow at level 12 with moderate twinking. Yeah I know warriors can crit with bows. My Ranger is still cooler.
Shadow Knight
People, oddly enough, have been telling me of late that Shadow Knights are the bee's knees with soloing. If they are, then it's in some manner alien to what I know. I'm told it's fear kiting. If I wanted to fear kite, I'd play a necro. If I wanted armor, I'd play a BETTER DAMNED TANK...But Mort played an SK so there has to be something to it. Frankly, when I had my SK, I lived for walking up to things and zapping them with my Harm Touch. I tried to imagine the look on their faces when it would hit and I'd not stop giggling insanely for quite some time.
Shamans:
Kick ass. Pick a flavor. They've all got benefits. Cheap spells (Jagd the 30th level barbarian spends less for his spells on average than Deth the 25th level Magician did at 19), lots of usefulness, people are always happy to see you, plus you get to wander around in bear form (everyone sees wolf formed druids, I can count on my fingers how many shamans I see in bear form). Love this class
Rogue:
Still working this one out. I'm told they're superior tanks to other classes, but usually by psycho die-hard rogue players. Okay, yes, poison is cool, backstabbing is tasty, and sneak/hide is fun, but...if I were such a great tank, why do I need another tank to make me cool (by taking the aggro off so I can land a backstab)
Warrior:
*sigh* Okay first off, unless you're a nutty twink, you can't solo. At all. Your one benefit is that in one package you have nutty HP levels, taunt ability, plate armor, lots of handy weapon skills, and you can slam shit. In THEORY that makes you a valuable addition to the party. In practice...well...I've seen parties take rangers over warriors, monks over warriors, paladins over warriors, SK's over warriors. Everyone tells me how at the high level game people like having the big meat shields there to take the hits. I wonder, as a player of two warriors at this point, how they can stand the rejection at lower levels. I've had nights where I will run from Erudin to GFay looking for a group for my 23 level tank and never find one. Even when we get guildies together, if given the option of shaman or warrior, everyone will inevitably want the Shaman. Or the Ranger. Or the Magician(!). It's depressing.
Wizards:
Walk softly and carry a big stick. Make friends with a magician early. His summoned gadgets will help you rock hard. 10% bonus to damage from a jade bracelet? (20th level) Yeah stick that in your critical nuke and smoke it. Wizards sit on their duff in a fight (like Magicians) and then when they get bored they stand up and something gets vaporized. On the other hand, I've found it's a PAIN IN THE ASS to try and solo. But that's just me.
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Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis?
When I still played my rogue, I went down faster than a cheerleader on prom night when I got attacked
Cthulhu
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Arttemis the Rogue had this to say about Cuba:
Rogue, a... superior tank?Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis?
When I still played my rogue, I went down faster than a cheerleader on prom night when I got attacked
Funny, that's what I've seen too. "We do more damage" "Yeah you're good at stabbing people in the ass!"
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I tell you what, though, you get some pretty odd views from back there, especially if you're a halfling.
"Incoming goblin warrior." *Claws out eyes*
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I can fear/snare kite, but unless I want them breaking constantly, I have to refresh it every tick. Since I can only sing 3 songs at a time max, that means that I can only add in one more (Usually I do the +STR/Haste warsong I got at level 7). Even with the 17 or so % haste I get from the warsong, my damage output is so low it takes FOREVER to kill anything fear kiting. And even minor adds can seriously fuck that up.
I'm told I can charm kite, but since there's NO WAY AT ALL to refresh charm once it's on my target... I end up doing 'Charm, run away, re-charm, re-target, attack, run away, re-charm, re-target, attack, run away, re-charm, re-target, attack, etc.'
Which takes longer than fear kiting, and usually ends up with me dead from my target reaching me before my 'pet' can do a thing.
I assume I must be doing SOMETHING wrong, becuase people tell me charm kiting is great.
Like Paladins, we can use our spells to raise insane agro. Personally, I was an agro king, not even over-nuking wizards could get those bastards off me.
We can also solo pretty well, using Fear and weakening spells. We can take giants down like nobody's business once we get our upgraded Fear (so I've been told by uber SK buddies).
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Paladins:
You're a (no offense, Mightion and Delphi) crappy tank til 9. It's just the way it is. Don't whine about it, don't gripe about it. At 9, though, you start to get some zippity in your doo da. Someone told me once that a paladin can solo...though in all the time I've had mine I've never quite figured out how, though I have seen a 20ish paladin cleaning house with a cleric buddy in Unrest.
No offence taken. We DO have crappy damage.
Ghoulbane + undead + ITU at 22nd level for singlepulls in Unrest and the like = easy(er) soloing then a warrior. We can at least speed up the healing process.
Once you get about 35, though, fearkite those bloody specs till yer 51, boy! Then head to Lguk and clear the lord halls till yer 55 or so. (Yes, Its boring as hell. But its possible.)
With Fear kiting, keep two DoTs memorized. A good beat would be Snare, Fear, DoT 1, Snare, Fear, DoT 2, and so forth, with you tailing the beast and attacking it all the while.
Also, don't be afraid to throw your DD songs in there if a "beat" comes up and no DoTs have worn off yet.
Still, I never used that tactic very often. Maybe it was just bad luck, but the AoE Fear was more trouble than it was worth sometimes.
Your target resisted Angstlich's Apalling Screech
Dragoon Zytl says, 'I really hate Bards like you.'
Fvck.
That's what makes playing them so worthwhile. Lyinar was my first character, but after playing Melisande to 29, I have to say enchanters are my favorite class. They're not for everyone, though.
It *is* possible to solo with them at lower levels. I soloed quite a bit with Meli up to level 16 or so, especially on the blue stuff in Oasis. Tash is great for bringing down those spell resistances, then just Choke it, root it, have a pet up that started attacking the second you were hit, and sit back and rest a bit. When the pet gets low on HPs, I always had Meli jump in, especially after she got her first Rune spell, to take some of the pressure off the pet, and to work on her melee skills a little. Netted Meli half a blue bub, and since she had Breeze, there was very little downtime.
However, as I said, an enchanter is not for everyone. You have quite a nasty little bag of tricks at your disposal, but most people unfortunately can't get past the low level weakness and never see the goodies in store for them.
The ironic thing...I was told by mine and Deth's friend Karl that I would hate playing an enchanter [ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ] I have to laugh about that now.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Shadow Knights have gotten a fair boost recently in terms of spell power. Their pets now allow for a lot more soloablity. I've fought waves of navies (at level 10 ) and only had to leave my camp because I was out of food and water.
Rangers... eh... it's been awhile since I've seriously played one, but I liked it when I did. Decent melee, good selection of spells, fair armor pool.
The goodness of a Warrior is somewhat dependant on the race. Troll warriors make EXCELLENT pullers. Huge strength scores mean lots of damage, High stamina means a shit load of HP, and natural regen means it will a shit load of damage to make a dent and keep it. That's just what I've seen though. Can't really comment because my warrior (an Iksar) is only level 7.
I know lots of people who got bored of Everquest, and then got right back into it after trying out a PvP server.
Play a bard, bards ROCK on any PvP server, especially against magic casters.
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Khyron thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
MIGHT net 2 blue bubbles of EXP, if I'm lucky.
I wish I could get 2 blue in an hour doing anything.
That said...yeah, it's hard to find a group sometimes. Sometimes I can sit LFG for hours and not have anything come up. So I just say fuck it and go solo or just chat with my guild/friends.
As for you not being able to solo...soloing as a Bard takes a lot of practice I think. If you can find a higher level Bard to teach you how...do it. There'll probably be one willing to teach you how.
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Batty had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I wish I could get 2 blue in an hour doing anything.That said...yeah, it's hard to find a group sometimes. Sometimes I can sit LFG for hours and not have anything come up. So I just say fuck it and go solo or just chat with my guild/friends.
As for you not being able to solo...soloing as a Bard takes a lot of practice I think. If you can find a higher level Bard to teach you how...do it. There'll probably be one willing to teach you how.
I...have nothing to say.
Because that's when I can group with anyone in my guild, and still get EXP.
Edit: OP has taken me up on that offer. [ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: Kegwen 2.0 ]
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Khyron's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
I don't understand kiting as a bard.I can fear/snare kite, but unless I want them breaking constantly, I have to refresh it every tick. Since I can only sing 3 songs at a time max, that means that I can only add in one more (Usually I do the +STR/Haste warsong I got at level 7). Even with the 17 or so % haste I get from the warsong, my damage output is so low it takes FOREVER to kill anything fear kiting. And even minor adds can seriously fuck that up.
I'm told I can charm kite, but since there's NO WAY AT ALL to refresh charm once it's on my target... I end up doing 'Charm, run away, re-charm, re-target, attack, run away, re-charm, re-target, attack, run away, re-charm, re-target, attack, etc.'
Which takes longer than fear kiting, and usually ends up with me dead from my target reaching me before my 'pet' can do a thing.
I assume I must be doing SOMETHING wrong, becuase people tell me charm kiting is great.
It wasnt a piece of cake for my char to get where she was mainly because im not a kiting druid. Ive no desire to learn either because I like the company. But honestly.. if you hate it that bad.. why do you keep going back?
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Khyron's fortune cookie read:
I would be happy if I could just get level 40.Because that's when I can group with anyone in my guild, and still get EXP.
You tried hunting in Great Divide on Velious? Drakkel Dire Wolves and Cave Kodiaks are pretty good xp. Also, try playing a beastlord. Hard as hell to get them to level 9, but once your there and you get your pet, it is very much fun.
