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Topic: Why I Don't Like "Enterprise" Anymore
Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 05-15-2002 06:00:28 PM
Almost every episode, literally, involves Archer and one other senior officer being brought down to a planet under false pretenses, then captured and held hostage.

Anyone else notice that?
Um, for that matter, does anyone else even watch Enterprise?

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Suddar Williams
SUDAR WILAMS
posted 05-15-2002 06:02:47 PM
I only watch Enterprise because it can be funny.

And my dad likes it.

New Age Bane
Waste Management Crisis
posted 05-15-2002 06:03:58 PM
haha the Doctor is very great!
What am I supposed to in here again? Oh yes something witty and oh so pretty!
Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 05-15-2002 06:06:34 PM
It was an excellent show, ya ask me, but now... but now... *sob*

At least Jolene Blalock is still hot. Although next episode, some aliens will probably hold her ravishing good looks hostage. BASTARDS!

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 05-15-2002 06:08:40 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Sentow:
Almost every episode, literally, involves Archer and one other senior officer being brought down to a planet under false pretenses, then captured and held hostage.

Anyone else notice that?
Um, for that matter, does anyone else even watch Enterprise?


I think thats the same storyline for EVERY Star Trek episode. I mean.. its either that or they land on some uninhabited planet which strangely turns out to have dwellers of a less-technological advancement in them who think the crewmen are Gods out of some prophecy or another.

Then again, I'm such a total trekkie that I love the shows anyway, even through the corny plots.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 05-15-2002 07:36:01 PM
I'm waiting for it to come into its second season. The real plotlines start then.
I hope anyway.

Look at Stargate: SG-1. (Airs on Showtime, 10pm, fridays) the inital plots were about them getting trapped on a planet, and losing their IDC (The little thing that makes earth open the iris on the gate, so they dont get mooshed) and having to get it back. EVENTUALLY, they started getting into more complex and fun plots..
My two favourite are the ones with the armbands that gave them superhuman speed, reflexes and strength, and the one where MacGuyver and Teal'C live the same day over and over and over again.

Now they're getting into really good plots like taking down the evil alien bastards, and doing this, and stuff relates to 20 episodes prior, etc. Very interesting.

I saw inital plotlines for Enterprise (Temporal Cold war, etc) early on, but they seem to have abandoned them for the time being in favour of "OMG THEY R ON A NEW PLANET THAT WE KNO FROM OLD STARTREK!?!?!?!" plotlines.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-15-2002 08:29:37 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
and the one where MacGuyver and Teal'C live the same day over and over and over again.

One of my all-time favorite SG-1 episodes of all time. SG-1 was/is one of those shows that proves that the series can be better than the initial movie.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
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Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 05-15-2002 08:34:34 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael's fortune cookie read:
One of my all-time favorite SG-1 episodes of all time. SG-1 was/is one of those shows that proves that the series can be better than the initial movie.

Oh god yes. If they ever come out with the series on DVD, I'll make it a point to pick it up, if not that episode first.

Too bad its only (new episodes) on Showtime. UPN airs it at some point during the week, but they're at least a season behind.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-15-2002 08:43:04 PM
Season 1 is out. Think Season 2 is coming out soon.
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 05-15-2002 08:45:18 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael thought about the meaning of life:
Season 1 is out. Think Season 2 is coming out soon.

I'd need a job that pays all my bills first, Heh.
Slum-coast would prolly have 'em if they're out.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-15-2002 08:47:35 PM
hehehehehe...My problem has been that while I love the series...I weigh getting it against getting comic books, and comics tend to win out.
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Jargum
Doughnut
posted 05-15-2002 08:58:33 PM
Actually Sci-Fi is going to be airing new episodes of Stargate every Friday starting June 7.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-15-2002 09:01:09 PM
Farscape > Enterprise > a sharp stick in the eye > Stargate: SG1

Chiana is a hottie!

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 05-15-2002 10:47:10 PM
quote:
This one time, at Bloodsage camp:
Farscape < Enterprise < a sharp stick in the eye < Stargate: SG1

Chiana is a hottie!


Thats better

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Olethros et Teleute
Everyone's favorite seven foot tall, orc-hating, bad-ass barbarian babe!
posted 05-15-2002 11:02:51 PM
quote:
From the book of Delphi Aegis, chapter 3, verse 16:
I'm waiting for it to come into its second season. The real plotlines start then.
I hope anyway.

Not necessarily. That may have been the case for ST:TNG and ST S9, but then came Voyager. Bleh. That was a show that consistently was a nausiatingly awful plotline with completely unlikeable characters (except the Doctor, who I liked though he was in a number of poorly-written plots now and then). Enterprise, hell, I watch that show and I STILL don't remember any of the cast names, obviously they aren't making the right impression on me .

Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 05-15-2002 11:22:01 PM
quote:
...Voyager. Bleh. That was a show that consistently was a nausiatingly awful...

Well now, I thought Voyager was actually good in its first two seasons. But after that, it just got... stupid.

I don't know why or how exactly. I suppose they laid off their writers because it would be cheaper to hire some monkeys with typewriters; they'll work all day for a couple of bananas, ya know.

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 05-15-2002 11:35:49 PM
Like I said, i'm waiting. It'll certainly be picked up for another season, and we'll all see how it fares then.

Farscape is ungodly good, mostly for the pure sexual tension between Chriton and Aeryn.

SG-1 is top notch for the wonderful casting of Richard Dean Anderson as Colnel O'Neil. Just.. fits. Plus there's good sexual tension between him and Carter, so its all good.

Enterprise, like I said, I'm waiting to come into its own. The forbidden sexual tension between Archer and T'pol is good watchin's, tho.

And then there's West Wing. Takes a while to learn everyone's name.. but they all work very well together as a cast. They make it really look as if they worked in the white house for the past four years, and are gearing up for a re-election.
Sexual tension? Oh, there's some (Donna and Josh are just so right for each other, durnit!) and then there's CJ and her secret service bodyguard...

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-16-2002 12:57:58 AM
DS:9 was pretty good once it stopped trying to be Star Trek's "religion" story (which it was...could they have laid the whole "Prophets" thing on any heavier?). The war story was interesting, as were some of the stories just there to be stories. It got sort of long in the tooth in the end (everyone betraying everyone else, for instance), but was for the most part a good series.

TNG, of course, was godlike. But even then it started off by continuing or re-doing old plot lines from the original series, before it really got into its own.

Voyager just plain pissed me off. First off...I liked the woman they originally had slated to play Janeway more than the woman who ended up playing her (who had all the charm of a moth-eaten muppet). Then I hated the overplaying of Chakotay's Native American heritage time and again. Then I hated what they ended up doing with Neelix's girlfriend. Then I hated the Paris/B'ellana thing. Then I *REALLY* hated 7 of 9 and the whole Borg thing. Dear god the Borg got overused in the Voyager series. Then there were times where they got stuck in a holodeck or the like (gee didn't we see that in TNG? Cripes). Series was just shitty most of the time. I stopped watching early, but I'd go back now and then to give it a shot, and it stayed crappy.

SG-1, on the other hand, built up on a lot of the base ideas of the movie. "Okay we have these aliens that came to Earth thousands of years ago and claimed to be gods to the primitive humans..." That alone had a GREAT number of possibilities. But the gate itself was cool. As was the sort of science stories you could toss at the gang through the science fiction of the 'gates (one of my favorites was where they accidentally dialed up a planet that was being consumed by a black hole and the gravitational effects started coming through the gate). And the casting was great. O'neil, Carter, Teal'c, the General, all the characters, in fact, have been well-thought out. And the actors are great. Richard Dean Anderson just plan kicks ass as O'neil, and puts more soul into the character than I think Kurt Russel did in the movie.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Majox
Pancake
posted 05-16-2002 01:08:23 AM
Continuing the hijack...
One of my favorite episodes of Stargate SG-1 is Urgo, where Dom Deluise plays a computer program that only they can see. Dom Deluise is perfect.
"As handsome, as he is Evil."

The one where Jack and Teal'c repeat the same day over is a good one too. Its great when they realize they can do anything they want, with no consequences.

I just make ideas, I don't make them good. - Me
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-16-2002 01:15:31 AM
hitting golfballs into the gate was hilarious
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Hireko
Kill a fish before breakfast each day
posted 05-16-2002 01:21:44 AM
West Wing > Jeremiah > Farscape > Enterprise > a kick in the teeth > income tax > Andromeda

Tonight's episode of Enterprise was the worst yet I think.

They just didn't have a plot. They didn't have a bad plot, it was just kind of nonexistent.

Crewmember A + B go to planet and get seduced by shapechanged aliens and shot (Trip and Malcolm)

Crewmember C goes to planet, gets seduced by physically altered alien and gets shot (Archer)

Crewmember D goes to planet, learns new lange, gets laid (Hoshi)

Crewmember E goes to planet, gets seduced by mountain, and hurt (Travis)

I mean... c'mon. They weren't even tied together!

Those who dance are thought insane by those who can't hear the music.
Woody
Toast the Destroyer
posted 05-16-2002 01:28:01 AM
I had to pay extra to get UPN on Dish Network to see it, and most of the episodes lost my attention in the first 10 minutes of the show. This, needless to say, disappointed me. So, I stopped watching period.

The first Episode was worth my time... but the rest of them... **shrugs** eh... I'd rather watch 'Six Feet Under' reruns on HBO.

Woody Hearn - Cartoonist
GU Comics
Led
*kaboom*
posted 05-16-2002 01:30:42 AM
Hey! I like Andromeda!

...

Although I have not been able to see it for about three or four months

Even the ship names kick so much ass ^_^

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-16-2002 01:31:03 AM
Enterprise also wins "worst TV theme song--ever."
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Woody
Toast the Destroyer
posted 05-16-2002 01:59:12 AM
Oh and as a side note...

Someone said all of the episodes now have to do with going down to a planet and being held hostage. When I stopped watching it, every planet they went to had a HUGE hidden/underground alien base that wasn't supposed to be there and that the locals knew nothing about.

Woody Hearn - Cartoonist
GU Comics
Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 05-16-2002 02:02:17 AM
quote:
Woody's account was hax0red to write:
Oh and as a side note...

Someone said all of the episodes now have to do with going down to a planet and being held hostage. When I stopped watching it, every planet they went to had a HUGE hidden/underground alien base that wasn't supposed to be there and that the locals knew nothing about.


Someone said that? I hadn't noticed.
Damn it!

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Woody
Toast the Destroyer
posted 05-16-2002 02:39:21 AM
Exactly Sentow. You said it.
You ARE 'someone' aren't you?

Actually, the scrolling 'past comments' box errored out on me so I couldn't see who wrote it.

Woody Hearn - Cartoonist
GU Comics
Maelarr
Pancake
posted 05-16-2002 05:08:45 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
...and the one where MacGuyver and Teal'C live the same day over and over and over again...

I love that one too! liked it when he quits and kisses whats-her-face.


All Empires Fall, You just have to know where to push- Me
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Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 05-16-2002 07:00:11 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Hireko FishSlayer wrote:
West Wing > Jeremiah > Farscape > Enterprise > a kick in the teeth > income tax > Andromeda

Tonight's episode of Enterprise was the worst yet I think.

They just didn't have a plot. They didn't have a bad plot, it was just kind of nonexistent.

Crewmember A + B go to planet and get seduced by shapechanged aliens and shot (Trip and Malcolm)

Crewmember C goes to planet, gets seduced by physically altered alien and gets shot (Archer)

Crewmember D goes to planet, learns new lange, gets laid (Hoshi)

Crewmember E goes to planet, gets seduced by mountain, and hurt (Travis)

I mean... c'mon. They weren't even tied together!


i thought last night's episode rocked.

i didn't catch too much of what happened with Travis but what happened to Malcom and Trip was hilarious. they deserved everything that happened to then.

i also think that it's a crackup that the only person who had a good vacation was the Com Officer, useually she's the most dull character.

of course, the whole "Col. Grat" plot was advanced a little too with the chick who was trying to get the answers out of Archer.

and what the hell do you expect when the crew goes to a pleasure planet for shore leave? a bloodbath?

Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 05-16-2002 10:40:53 AM
quote:
Woody spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Exactly Sentow. You said it.
You ARE 'someone' aren't you?

Actually, the scrolling 'past comments' box errored out on me so I couldn't see who wrote it.


I prefer the term, "Some dude," thankyouverymuch

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Suddar Williams
SUDAR WILAMS
posted 05-16-2002 02:19:18 PM
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
Caanis Lupus
Rub me?
posted 05-16-2002 02:21:40 PM
It is still running?!?

DAI!

I liked the first 4 episodes then it just lost that loving feeling...

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 05-16-2002 02:45:26 PM
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 05-16-2002 02:48:57 PM
quote:
Bloodsage's account was hax0red to write:
Enterprise also wins "worst TV theme song--ever."

I thought the song was pretty decent, considering. The old footage from launches and stuff adds a bit of "Hey, this could really happen someday" feel to it.

Anyway.. SG-1 also brings to light a lot of recent theories on wormholes. Why, I remember one where they dialed a planet, and had to bypass some saftey protocols to get a lock. Turns out the probe they sent through put a superheavy unstable element into the core of their sun, and caused it go all funkylike. The only thing they could do would be to put a stable transuranic element into the sun to stabilize the whole thing.. Tried to do it via a rocket built on the planet itself, but that got blowed up because of the religious zealots on the surface.. So they interrupt the wormhole mid-transit, hopefully forcing the element into the sun itself.. And hey! It worked.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Olethros et Teleute
Everyone's favorite seven foot tall, orc-hating, bad-ass barbarian babe!
posted 05-18-2002 02:50:57 AM
Personally (and I know someone out there is going to ream me for this) I've always been a Babylon 5 person myself. I love the long, series-encompassing plotline, the ship designs, and the fact that they could kill off a long-standing character from the series without any forewarning at all... J. Michael Strazinsky IS a little preachy and the characters talk too much, but besides that I thought the series was great
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 05-18-2002 06:06:29 AM
Not to flame anyones oppinions on science fictionb television but:
Babylon 5>All to the nth degree

Like oltheros said, the storyline was encompassing, the ships were sweet, and the plotline was never really straining. The entirely new universe gave it, and farscape, complete freedom in the design and workings of all the aliens and such. In Star Trek, making new aliens, or involving older ones, requires alot of dravb busywork that make the encounter less of what it could have been with a clean slate.

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Freschel Spindrift
Caucasian
posted 05-18-2002 08:04:09 AM
You can thank Rick, screw the fans I'm doing it my way, Berman. IMHO, he has single handly ruined the entire Star Trek franchise.
Who's that crazy kook that's destroying the world. It's Zorc (That's me) It's Zorc and Pals.
Bakura: Did you forget our anniversary, again? (laughter)
Zorc: Yes, I was busy destroying the world (laughter) Slaughtering millions. (Laughter)
Bakura: That's my Zorc.
The blood of the innocents will flow without end. His name is Zorc, and he's destroying the world.
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 05-18-2002 08:07:45 AM
quote:
Elvish Crack Piper obviously shouldn't have said:
Babylon 5>All to the nth degree

Yes, yes, and yes.

Radience
Pancake
posted 05-18-2002 08:39:54 AM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Suchii:
Hey! I like Andromeda!

...

Although I have not been able to see it for about three or four months

Even the ship names kick so much ass ^_^


It's a decent show, as long as you don't take it to the godly sci-fi religous experience most folks do with sci-fi shows.
However, if it's really been that long since you watched, you're going to be completely out of the loop. Looooots of changes have happened.

Farscape and B5 are about on the same level for me. I can't pick either as my favorite, tho B5 *does* have a greater number of favorite memories for me, mainly because it's all 'out there' and I've seen them all.

Best scene ever, tho: Delenn showing up in the Minbari cruiser to face-down Clark's second battle wave. "The only Human to ever destroy a Minbari cruiser is behind me. *You* are in front of me. If you want to live, be somewhere else."

Hireko
Kill a fish before breakfast each day
posted 05-18-2002 02:20:53 PM
Andromeda died the day they fired their head writer (aka when Rev Bem up and quit the show, Trance had a makeover, etc). Hercules was unhappy that the show had too much plot and wasn't episodic enough.

Andromeda was a great show up till then.

PS I wasn't expecting a bloodbath, but for something to happen would have been convenient. They can have vacations on their own time, not mine.

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