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Topic: My thoughts on JK2 battles.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 05-10-2002 01:08:37 PM
Lightsaber battles, that is.

What I would like to see is... removal of all styles entirely. Instead of having light/heavy/medium, have only medium.

Make saber throw a force ability instead of alt-attack.

Make Normal saber attacks horizontal. Add a 'vertical' attack as the new alt-attack.

New moves can be done by combinations of horizontal, vertical, etc.

IE : Horizontal + Vertical = forward stab.
Horizontal + back = rear slash.
Vertical + back = rear stab.
Left/right + vertical = diagonal stab.
Left/Right + Horizontal = shorter, faster slash in that direction.

Crouching + vertical = Upward slash.
Crouching + Horizontal = slash to the ankles.
(Hafta be crouched to block those, but easy to jump the 2nd or strafe-dodge the 1st)

Combos are done easier as well. IE : Do a diagonal slash, and as your slash is mid-to-half way done, press back and horizontal, to turn it into a diagonal slash, followed by a back slash, followed by a stab forwards.

A sort of system could 'chain' commands in any way you wish, making many, many more possible combo attacks.

That sort of thing. I think it would make the saber controls much easier to use, and remove balancing issues between styles.

Comments? Suggestions?

nem-x
posted 05-10-2002 01:10:25 PM
No.

And Saber Throw is a force.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 05-10-2002 01:11:05 PM
Nem, I meant more like 'force activated'. The way lightning or grip is.
nem-x
posted 05-10-2002 01:11:29 PM
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-10-2002 01:23:06 PM
You use force to throw your lightsaber...

And I don't think there's anything wrong with the current version



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

very important poster
a sweet title
posted 05-10-2002 01:26:49 PM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when nem-x wrote:
I want 1.0 back.
hey
Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 05-10-2002 01:40:47 PM
::eyes the JK2 uninstaller::
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 05-10-2002 01:47:21 PM
Mostly I just hate the current saber styles.

I want no styles and more control over my saber, if it goes horizontal or vertical or what.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 05-10-2002 01:47:49 PM
You mean make it almost exactly like JK1 only with combos and reversed horizontal/vertical controls?

No.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Arttemis the Rogue
Amethyst's sex toy
posted 05-10-2002 01:50:16 PM
Really, though, it's not that hard to control the direction of your saber. It all depends on how you're moving at the time of the swing.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 05-10-2002 01:51:43 PM
Artt : I know, it's just that to do certain kinds of swings (IE : Horizontal slash) are impossible then, when moving, say, forwards.

Unless you use throw. Which drains your force. =/

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-10-2002 01:51:44 PM
No kidding, just remember what kind of swing you get depending on which way you move.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Arttemis the Rogue
Amethyst's sex toy
posted 05-10-2002 01:53:52 PM
Turn yourself so that "forward" (towards your opponent) is "right" or "left". You can still move in the same direction, but your slash will be different.

Do it at the last second, so the person you're fighting doesn't move, obviously.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 05-10-2002 01:55:03 PM
Khyron, use strong stance and tap sideways as you swing to make a horizontal swing, and then you can move any direction while you are swinging.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Cadga
Quite Insane
posted 05-10-2002 01:55:18 PM
the only thing wrong with it is backstab

stop crying whiney bitchheads

Professional Sinner/Heretic
My mindless dribble
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-10-2002 01:55:45 PM
quote:
Lawgiver Cadga said this about your mom:
the only thing wrong with it is backstab

stop crying whiney bitchheads




Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 05-10-2002 01:56:05 PM
quote:
Lawgiver Cadga stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
the only thing wrong with it is backstab

stop crying whiney bitchheads


Hell, I have only been killed by backstab once. I don't really see a problem.

[Edit: Well a few times, but that was cause I was stupid enough to get to close when Dave's back was already turned.]

[ 05-10-2002: Message edited by: Densetsu ]

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Cadga
Quite Insane
posted 05-10-2002 01:57:34 PM
quote:
Densetsu was listening to Cher while typing:
Hell I have only been killed by backstab once. I dson't really see a problem.

play Blackmage and ask him to own you with it

forcepull + backstab

NO way to block it unless your attacker is too slow

Professional Sinner/Heretic
My mindless dribble
TroutofDoom
Pancake
posted 05-10-2002 01:58:19 PM
i think being able to link combos would be cool, but i kinda like the way it is. i just finished my first battle with a dark jedi in bespin, it was soooo cooool. i totally owned him. uh i just got the game 2 days ago so im not very far.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 05-10-2002 01:59:22 PM
Okay, let me rephrase then.

To me, the controls feel like crap. JK 1 had managable controls. These ones are shit. I've tried and tried and tried to learn them, and it still feels like luck when I manage to pull some cool move off, rather than skill.

Cadga
Quite Insane
posted 05-10-2002 02:01:23 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Khyron said:
Okay, let me rephrase then.

To me, the controls feel like crap. JK 1 had managable controls. These ones are shit. I've tried and tried and tried to learn them, and it still feels like luck when I manage to pull some cool move off, rather than skill.


practice my friend
before practice it is all luck

Professional Sinner/Heretic
My mindless dribble
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 05-10-2002 02:01:32 PM
Only thing I don't like is that I can CONSTANTLY watch my saber fly horizontally through someone's back and they take no damage, but then I die cause I got swiped at the foot.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-10-2002 02:02:47 PM
quote:
Densetsu had this to say about dark elf butts:
Only thing I don't like is that I can CONSTANTLY watch my saber fly horizontally through someone's back and they take no damage, but then I die cause I got swiped at the foot.
Sounds like a personal problem.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 05-10-2002 02:04:00 PM
I dunno. I just like the way JK1 did the saber better. It felt more natural to me. Combine JK1 controls with JK2 graphics, combos, etc... and I'd get like, a perfect lightsaber game, IMO

But I guess it's sort of like comparing Street fighter to another fighting game. Some people like certain games 'cuz certain moves are easier for them than others.

Cadga
Quite Insane
posted 05-10-2002 02:06:13 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Densetsu said:
Only thing I don't like is that I can CONSTANTLY watch my saber fly horizontally through someone's back and they take no damage, but then I die cause I got swiped at the foot.

well that giant dude got killed by getting his heel poked...

same diff

Professional Sinner/Heretic
My mindless dribble
Maradon!
posted 05-10-2002 02:17:53 PM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Lawgiver Cadga wrote:
well that giant dude got killed by getting his heel poked...

same diff


Achilles. They named a tendon after him!

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 05-10-2002 02:22:37 PM
I want to get owned by EC'ers. Isn't there a server that is mostly EC'ers?
Mightion Defensor
posted 05-10-2002 02:23:33 PM
Don't take away the backstab. Without it I wouldn't get any kills.

What I hate is the feeling that I'm fighting with a flashlight instead of a lightsaber. How do you tell if you actually did damage? Other people seem to have no trouble killing me in one shot, even at 100/200...

We need an EC JK2 server.

Maradon!
posted 05-10-2002 02:25:37 PM
Changes to JK2 I'd like to see:

  • Sabers are wielded by the index finger

  • All references to "Force" changed to "Schwartz"

  • Availability of massive helmets that are saber-proof
  • Khyron
    Hello, my mushy friend...
    posted 05-10-2002 02:25:52 PM
    In 10 days, I get paid again.

    The vast majority of the paycheck for that day, will be going towards the new Cisco 678 DSL modem that I need to buy to get my new 1M/1M DSL line.

    Then, I shall be hosting a EC JK2 server 24/7.

    With a decent amount of force. I dunno if I'll make it saber-only FFA, or if I'll make it duel

    Maradon!
    posted 05-10-2002 02:28:58 PM
    quote:
    When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Khyron said:
    The vast majority of the paycheck for that day, will be going towards the new Cisco 678 DSL modem that I need to buy to get my new 1M/1M DSL line.

    What's the monthly service fee?

    Khyron
    Hello, my mushy friend...
    posted 05-10-2002 02:30:13 PM
    quote:
    Maradön? said this about your mom:
    What's the monthly service fee?

    88 bucks.

    Skaw
    posted 05-10-2002 03:01:08 PM
    quote:
    Lawgiver Cadga had this to say about Duck Tales:
    NO way to block it unless your attacker is too slow

    Or you have Level 3 Push, it'll make it impossible for you to be pulled, unless your foolish enough to jump in the air when people are around, but hey, going over the attackers head is alot better than getting yours impaled on their saber.

    Lenlalron Flameblaster
    posted 05-10-2002 03:19:33 PM
    Bah. NF duels are 'jedi softball'. THat's my complaint. It's too easy to be a throw whore and win, since it seems so much easier to block everything.
    Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
    Vorago
    A completely different kind of Buckethead
    posted 05-10-2002 09:23:07 PM
    Give me a game with Die By the Sword's open ended sword fighting and I will be happy

    Custom made moves kicked total buttox

    Naota Nandaba
    Don't ask me about any goddamned bannings!
    posted 05-11-2002 09:06:20 AM
    quote:
    Black Mage had this to say about (_|_):
    And I don't think there's anything wrong with the current version
    Nothing amazing happens here.
    Only the ordinary.
    Mog
    not really a mmembe rof tis boered
    posted 05-11-2002 02:14:39 PM
    quote:
    ACES! Another post by Vorago:
    Give me a game with Die By the Sword's open ended sword fighting and I will be happy

    Custom made moves kicked total buttox



    I loved that game


    Regret calamities if you can thereby help the sufferer; if not, attend to your own work and allready the evil begins to be repaired
    - Self Rreliance
    OtakuPenguin
    Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
    posted 05-11-2002 02:26:41 PM
    quote:
    We were all impressed when Kegwen 2.0 wrote:
    [QUOTE]Black Mage had this to say about (_|_):
    [qb]And I don't think there's anything wrong with the current version

    [/QB][/QUOTE]
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