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Ryuujin
posted 05-09-2002 12:38:15 PM
Ok here's the setup:

I sometimes post on an online Christian message board, just for kicks and because I'm an opinionated bastard. Anyway, this topic came up recently and it's like turned into a Christian flame war (if there is such a thing) and knowing me, I had to interject my voice on the subject, the title of the thread is "The 'Final Solution' to Homosexuality".

Here's an excerpt of what I've participated in.

quote:
(ME) So getting back on track....

Homosexuality -- It's A-Okay!


quote:
(Some Girl) Is that supposed to be a joke or are you for real? Because if you are, then back up your statement with something.

quote:
(ME) I assure you I am quite for real. I back it up with the fact that I am more open minded than you (excuse my arrogance though) and the fact that I don't really care if a person likes man or woman.

quote:
(Some Guy)Open mindedness is not always a good thing. What about pedophiles? Similar arguments can be made to be open minded about their behavior but I don't think that any sane person is going to defend them.

Here's my current reply:

I fail to see how you could arrive at such a blantantly faulty corrolation. Pedophiles usually warp the mind of the child and even rape them. Homosexuals are consenting parties who have had time to think about themselves enough to know that they are who they are. People should respect this.

Don't Christians preach tolerance? Going on a campaign harassing homosexuals and bisexuals because of who they are is a form of dislike for their people and preaching to them that they will burn in the fires of Hell for sodomy and whatnot, is intolerance in that the statements themselves do not accept that some people choose to live their lives differently then what you consider the "norm." Live what you preach.

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Opinions on my reply? Did I sound too arrogant? Too overbearing?

[ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: Ryuujin ]

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-09-2002 12:43:40 PM
Who cares what people with closed minds think?


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Nith D'vaz
Pancake
posted 05-09-2002 12:45:45 PM
i agree

and comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is like comparing and apple to dog shit.

Wherever I go,
everyone is a little bit safer because I am there.
Wherever I am,
anyone in need has a friend.
Whenever I return home,
everyone is happy I am there.

-Robert L. Humphrey (warrior creed)
Naota Nandaba
Don't ask me about any goddamned bannings!
posted 05-09-2002 12:46:30 PM
quote:
Black Mage wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Who cares what people with closed minds think?
Nothing amazing happens here.
Only the ordinary.
Lenlalron Flameblaster
posted 05-09-2002 12:46:33 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Black Mage was all like:
Who cares what people with closed minds think?

I do.
Grammar is your enemy! - While being able to understand someone's sentences might seem like a good idea for a proper essay, complaining on a forum scarcely leaves time for such trivialities. Write fast! You're angry, grrr! Make that show, and forget about things like capital letters, punctuation, and verbs.
Emily
Why's everybody always hittin on me?
posted 05-09-2002 12:52:30 PM
Not all Christians are narrow-minded, though, mind you. I consider myself to be an 'Open Minded Christian'. For instance, I don't believe homosexuality is wrong, or anything, and I do respect it. (Which I know goes against what the Church preaches, but doesn't the Church also preach to 'love thy neighbor'...?) I don't like the way you 'stereotyped', but I think you got the point across. I just wish you would have considered the Christians who are also in my point of view....

[EDIT: And you are right about comparing being 'open-minded' for pedaphiles, and being 'open-minded about homosexuality'... Being 'open-minded' for pedaphiles isn't being open-minded at all, it's more like being vulnerable.]

[ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: Isis Pandoria ]

Should've done something, but I've done it enough
By the way your hands were shaking
Rather waste some time with you

Should've said something, but I've said it enough
By the way my words were faded
Rather waste some time with you...

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 05-09-2002 12:55:30 PM
I don't really see any stereotyping here by Ryuujin. :\
"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Emily
Why's everybody always hittin on me?
posted 05-09-2002 12:57:03 PM
quote:
D enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
I don't really see any stereotyping here by Ryuujin. :\


quote:
Going on a campaign harassing homosexuals and bisexuals because of who they are is a form of dislike for their people and preaching to them that they will burn in the fires of Hell for sodomy and whatnot, is intolerance in that the statements themselves do not accept that some people choose to live their lives differently then what you consider the "norm."

That's not stereotyping?

Should've done something, but I've done it enough
By the way your hands were shaking
Rather waste some time with you

Should've said something, but I've said it enough
By the way my words were faded
Rather waste some time with you...

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 05-09-2002 12:59:29 PM
quote:
Isis Pandoria painfully thought these words up:
That's not stereotyping?

That seems like the opinion of one person.

He didn't mention every Christian doing that, just those involved in said thread.

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 05-09-2002 01:00:57 PM
And now I disappear in a puff of smoke, as I do not like where this thread will undoubtedly soon be headed.

*does so*

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-09-2002 01:02:26 PM
Lets just skip to later on in this thread, ya?

You suck, christans suck, catholics suck, Osama sucks, God sucks, and Homosexuality sucks.



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Emily
Why's everybody always hittin on me?
posted 05-09-2002 01:02:42 PM
quote:
D had this to say about Captain Planet:

He didn't mention every Christian doing that, just those involved in said thread.

Ah, I misunderstood, then. I was hoping he didn't mean to imply that every Christian 'goes on campaigns', because it's certainly not true.

Should've done something, but I've done it enough
By the way your hands were shaking
Rather waste some time with you

Should've said something, but I've said it enough
By the way my words were faded
Rather waste some time with you...

Azeroth™
Want my opinion?
posted 05-09-2002 01:07:13 PM
quote:
Black Mage was listening to Cher while typing:

You suck, christans suck, catholics suck, Osama sucks, God sucks, and Homosexuality sucks.


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Motiak
Pancake
posted 05-09-2002 01:23:09 PM
Even though I'm sure no one cares, in my most christians go the complete wrong way about homosexuality. I believe homosexuality is wrong and is a sin, yes, but people who persecute others for homosexuality are equally as wrong. The bible calls christians to love others and it also says that all sins are the same in gods eyes (I think, not sure on that second part). As it says in John "If any of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her". (yeah the at her part kind of makes it not quite as applicable but I think it gets the point across).

I'm basically trying to say christians should hate the sin, love the sinner and many fail to do that..

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Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-09-2002 02:01:12 PM
Attack the consenting adults part of their argument. Don't go into the other stuff. Just point out that what invalidates any comparison of homosexuality and pedophelia is that homosexuality occurs between consenting adults. Pedophelia, by definition, is rape.
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Ryuujin
posted 05-09-2002 02:44:07 PM
quote:
Bloodsage enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Attack the consenting adults part of their argument. Don't go into the other stuff. Just point out that what invalidates any comparison of homosexuality and pedophelia is that homosexuality occurs between consenting adults. Pedophelia, by definition, is rape.

Brilliant! You are my mentor!

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-09-2002 02:53:55 PM
I have some small experience in flame wars.
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-09-2002 03:39:31 PM
Yah, what 'Sage said.
I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
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