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Necromancer: How DARE you imply that I was involved in a rude act with my undead servant! I will flay the flesh from your bones! I will summon a thousand maggot-ridden corpses to gnaw your flesh! I will trap your soul in-
Ghoul: My ass hurts.
In the days of slavery, old fat white men would force black people to make him money. He'd get richer and richer and their vitality would be slowly drained.
Nowadays, it's just the same, except the slavery comes in the form of a nicotene addiction, it's white AND black people that are enslaved, and smoking will kill you faster than slavery would. But the part about the old fat white guy getting richer offa your money is the same. [ 03-14-2002: Message edited by: Khyron ]
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
Besides, at least post it notes, cars, and feminine hygienge products are pretty helpful.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Tear him to bits. [ 03-14-2002: Message edited by: D ]
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Khyron impressed everyone with:
It's sort of a parrallel between modern day cigarette-company owners, and olden-day plantation owners, Bloodsage.
except noone is forcing you to smoke sigarettes.
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Khyron had this to say about Tron:
True, Azeroth, but if you've started, the nicotene addiction can be very close.
Bullshit. The "addiction" part of smoking is mostly psychological, and mostly habit. Quitting requires nothing more than an exercise of will. It's nothing at all like a real addiction, like heroin, or morphine.
And you've not bothered to say what the hell race has to do with the topic. Are you saying this would all be okay if the executives in question were black, or hispanic?
If not, then you need to rethink what the hell you're saying. Racism isn't okay, just because it's aimed at white dudes in an unpopular industry.
Comparing smoking to slavery is sheer bullshit. Thinking slavery is something only white people inflict upon others is equally so.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about pies:
Bullshit. The "addiction" part of smoking is mostly psychological, and mostly habit. Quitting requires nothing more than an exercise of will. It's nothing at all like a real addiction, like heroin, or morphine.And you've not bothered to say what the hell race has to do with the topic. Are you saying this would all be okay if the executives in question were black, or hispanic?
If not, then you need to rethink what the hell you're saying. Racism isn't okay, just because it's aimed at white dudes in an unpopular industry.
Comparing smoking to slavery is sheer bullshit. Thinking slavery is something only white people inflict upon others is equally so.
Amen, nicely said, as usual Sage
Have you seen the CEO of Phillip Morris? Have you ever watched the heads of the tobacco companies testify before congress? I have. It's almost funny. Every single one of them is an overweight, older caucasian male. Well, every one I saw on CNN. Maybe there are some that aren't. Maybe there's some tall, thin, black men who own and run tobacco companies. They sure didn't stand before congress to testify their point.
As to the comparison between smoking and slavery, you do raise a good point, but from what many of the smokers here at work tell me, it can be a lot more difficult than what you say. I wouldn't know. I don't plan to start anytime soon. I've seen pictures of what it does to your lungs. I've seen people dropping upwards of 40 bucks a month on cancer sticks. That's game money to me, I wouldn't waste it on something like that.
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Bloodsage wrote this stupid crap:
What the FUCK does their race have to do with a goddamn thing?!
Look at most of the Major Tobbaco companies CEOs and founders, they are White.
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Bloodsage stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Bullshit. The "addiction" part of smoking is mostly psychological, and mostly habit. Quitting requires nothing more than an exercise of will.
Have you ever smoked?
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Khyron had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
It was a comparison, bloodsage. A parrallel. I didn't mean that it was racist thing that only white men could do, any more than I meant it was a size thing that only very fat men can do.Have you seen the CEO of Phillip Morris? Have you ever watched the heads of the tobacco companies testify before congress? I have. It's almost funny. Every single one of them is an overweight, older caucasian male. Well, every one I saw on CNN. Maybe there are some that aren't. Maybe there's some tall, thin, black men who own and run tobacco companies. They sure didn't stand before congress to testify their point.
As to the comparison between smoking and slavery, you do raise a good point, but from what many of the smokers here at work tell me, it can be a lot more difficult than what you say. I wouldn't know. I don't plan to start anytime soon. I've seen pictures of what it does to your lungs. I've seen people dropping upwards of 40 bucks a month on cancer sticks. That's game money to me, I wouldn't waste it on something like that.
Your co-workers are blowing smoke up your ass to make themselves feel better about their lack of willpower.
I do have firsthand knowledge quitting smoking. All it takes is the desire and a little ordinary self-discipline. The hardest part isn't the nicotine withdrawal, but the sheer habit of lighting up.
As for the race thing, just think about it a bit. Why mention it at all? Had they been black, would you have mentioned it in that manner?
I'd bet not.
You might also find it interesting to look into the supply side of the slave trade in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. It's not quite what conventional wisdom makes it out to be.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Kinanik had this to say about dark elf butts:
Have you ever smoked?
For 10 years.
That good enough for you?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Racism annoys me--guess I'm just odd that way.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
It's amazing what the human mind can convince itself to like given the proper self-conditioning. The greatest foe a person will ever face is the equal matching of their own mind. People convince themselves of stupid, foolish things every day and build on the bulwarks of those conditioned ideas, true or not. Then you go back and try to uproot one of those deep seated programs and it's hard.
Chemicals in cigarettes just make it worse. They are not, in fact, the source of problems. One cigarette won't get you hooked like one shot of bona fide hard drugs can.
You'll note I called them all fat and old. Yet you don't go off on me saying that I'm being unfair because younger men, and slimmer men, could do the job just as well or anything. You went off on me 'cuz I said 'white'. Well, I said FAT OLD WHITE because every single one of them that I saw, was fat, was old (Most of them had at LEAST half of their hair as grey), and were white (Some of them were pretty tanned, but I saw a couple that looked like they redefined the word 'pale').
Now imagine if all those CEO's were black. Good lord, can you imagine how badly people would be jumping on me "OMG U R RACIST BCUZ U SED BLACK!!!"?
Should I have not mentioned that they were all fat and older? Maybe I should have mentioned that a couple were starting to get bald? I mentioned traits that all of them shared. If all were bald, I'd have stuck that in there too. Get where I'm heading?
I'm not sure what slave trade you're talking about. I'm talking about the southern plantation owners. The guys who grew tabacky with the help of black slaves. The guys who're talked about in Tom Sawyer, the guys that helped make the civil war necessary. They're the ones I was comparing it to. The reason why I was comparing it to them, is that in all references I've seen (Not saying that I've seen it all, mind you), they've been portrayed as older white guys, and very few of them have been slim.
Now, would you like to go off on me about how I mentioned that all of them were male? Will you start crying out that I'm being chauvenistic because I said 'guys'? After all, that's another trait they shared. And it's fairly discriminating for me not to mention that there might be a female CEO of a cigarette company just because she wasn't portrayed on TV as such, while the rest of them were.
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Smokers smoke by choice. They continue to smoke by choice. There is no comparison with slavery.
What the hell did you expect people to think when you line those comments up like that? Either think your statements through a little better, or don't whine when you get called on your buffoonery.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage wrote this stupid crap:
You're the one who made race an issue--don't spaz when you can't defend your indefensible behavior. You made it worse with the ridiculous slavery comparison.Smokers smoke by choice. They continue to smoke by choice. There is no comparison with slavery.
What the hell did you expect people to think when you line those comments up like that? Either think your statements through a little better, or don't whine when you get called on your buffoonery.
It was a statement based off of the majority, fuckchop.
As for comparing addictions to slavery, here's how I see it :
People get addicted to cigarettes. I see it daily. People get jittery, they get upset, they are chained to their little nicotine sticks. For some people quitting is easy, for some it's not. I've heard of people wanting to quit desperately and being dragged back time and again. To me, that is slavery. If you have a different opinion, then congratulations. That's how I see it. And that's what I'll stick by.
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Rabin Crabmink had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Fact: Cigarettes contain carbon. Hitler contained carbon.Infect: Truth
Funny.
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Khyron had this to say about Pirotess:
Bloodsage, if I had said 'fat old black guys' you'd be going off on me, irregardless of WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE BLACK OR NOT. Guess what? They're white. So I said white. If they were red, I'd have said they were 'fat old red guys'.
Yes. Yes he would.
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Bloodsage said this and was then given a boot to the head:
Racism annoys me--guess I'm just odd that way.
If we're agreeing, what's the argument about? [ 03-14-2002: Message edited by: Arttemis the Twink ]
That, and my uncle, who, now thanks to drinking and smoking has Hepatitus(sp?) B, you know, the uncurable one?
Archers Roxxors!
You decided it was worth mentioning.
Why?
What was so important about these particular dudes that you thought it necessary to point out they were white. And then to draw the silly parallel with slave owners. Which, in case you're too dense to notice, only reinforces the race issue you're now trying to convince us doesn't matter.
Then why did you bring it up?
And I'm sorry if you only hang around with weak-willed people, but that hardly justifies your take on smoking as slavery. It is not. It is a choice.
Slavery is not.
As a matter of fact, caffeine withdrawal is much more painful, physically, than nicotine withdrawal from smoking. Quitting smoking is only hard because it involves more self-discipline than some people are used to. As I said, the mental habit of lighting up is the real barrier--not the nicotine.
So . . . exactly why did you feel it necessary to identify these guys as white? And what about them being white should make me hesitant to give them money?
Einstein was an old white dude. So was Newton. So was Churchill. So is the Pope.
Should I not donate to charity, because many are run by fat old white dudes?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Cuba:
Should I not donate to charity, because many are run by fat old white dudes?
I'm not old, so I'll gladly take the money that was going to charity.
I need my nicotine fix.
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Bloodsage had this to say about Duck Tales:
The point is, numbnuts--that includes your stupidtiy, too, Skaw--that you've yet to tell me what race has to do with a goddamn thing.You decided it was worth mentioning.
Why?
What was so important about these particular dudes that you thought it necessary to point out they were white. And then to draw the silly parallel with slave owners. Which, in case you're too dense to notice, only reinforces the race issue you're now trying to convince us doesn't matter.
Then why did you bring it up?
And I'm sorry if you only hang around with weak-willed people, but that hardly justifies your take on smoking as slavery. It is not. It is a choice.
Slavery is not.
As a matter of fact, caffeine withdrawal is much more painful, physically, than nicotine withdrawal from smoking. Quitting smoking is only hard because it involves more self-discipline than some people are used to. As I said, the mental habit of lighting up is the real barrier--not the nicotine.
So . . . exactly why did you feel it necessary to identify these guys as white? And what about them being white should make me hesitant to give them money?
Einstein was an old white dude. So was Newton. So was Churchill. So is the Pope.
Should I not donate to charity, because many are run by fat old white dudes?
Ok assmat.
Plantation owners, what did they do? They thrived off others lives to gain income.
Tabacco Company CEOs, what do they do? The same fucking thing.
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D stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
READ THE GOD DAMNED POST SKAW!
Maybe he should too, MOST of them ARE white.
Not all plantation owners were white, either.
And it was never a race issue, until Sage made it one. [ 03-14-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]
