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D wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I'd wager that it's not in game. Along with Levitation and Everlasting Breath.

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And all the good multi-class spells

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D had this to say about Duck Tales:
Levitation and Everlasting Breath.

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Those #%(*&#& spells, I can see that patch coming from here... "We forgot to make the spells drop. They'll drop now. We're sorry."

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Kitudo had this to say about Pirotess:
Those #%(*&#& spells, I can see that patch coming from here... "We forgot to make the spells drop. They'll drop now. We're sorry."

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I've been waiting on that patch message for a while now.

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D impressed everyone with:
I'd wager that it's not in game. Along with Levitation and Everlasting Breath.

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I've heard it's in the game, it's mentioned in spell lists, strategy guides, and such... but never heard of any enchanter who's managed to get a hold of it yet.

Then again, there's actually recipe books in the game that mention shade silk... but nobody's ever found any confirmed source of it yet (hope it's not actually on the shades in some of the higher level zones... a bit unrealistic to make tailors go after such creatures just to make the Luclin equivalent of cured silk!)

So the spell almost definitely exists... they either forgot to implement its drop, or it simply hasn't been discovered yet, like shade silk.

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Troodon had this to say about dark elf butts:
I've heard it's in the game, it's mentioned in spell lists, strategy guides, and such... but never heard of any enchanter who's managed to get a hold of it yet.

Then again, there's actually recipe books in the game that mention shade silk... but nobody's ever found any confirmed source of it yet (hope it's not actually on the shades in some of the higher level zones... a bit unrealistic to make tailors go after such creatures just to make the Luclin equivalent of cured silk!)

So the spell almost definitely exists... they either forgot to implement its drop, or it simply hasn't been discovered yet, like shade silk.

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Shadeling silk drops off mobs in shadeweaver's thicket, try there, but try the higher mobs in the volcano. (I found a blue fire elem mob in the volcano at 51. Scary.)

The shade silk recipes are in place, but no confirmed source of shade silk exists.

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Khyron had this to say about John Romero:
Delphi, SHADE SILK is the equivalent of Spider Silk. It's different than Shadeling silk. Kinda like SPIDERLING silk is different than Spider silk.

The shade silk recipes are in place, but no confirmed source of shade silk exists.

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Thank you, you'd be amazaed how many times I have to explain this, when I tell somebody that there's no shade silk, and they say "yes there is, it drops in Shadweavers..."

Shadeling silk drops off of xakra larvae in Shar Vahl, and off of xakra silkworms and lesser shades in Shadeweavers Thicket. Shadeling silk can be used to make shade silk thread (two silks), shade silk bandages (two threads), and shade silk cord (three threads).

Shade silk is required for raw shade silk and cured shade silk, according to recipe books you can buy on Luclin (Shar Vahl, and other places too I think). But nobody's been able to find a mob that drops it or a merchant that sells it, at least not yet.

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NO!

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Skaw had this to say about Tron:
Troodon, Illusion: Gender's in spell lists on the net, and strategy guides. Is it in game?

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Well Vah Shir illusion has a practical purpose, making you look like a race with no racial tensions with anyone (although your religion may cause you problems with some NPCs). Gender Illusion has no practical purpose whatsoever, as no NPCs treat you any differently based on your gender (just try saying "I love you" to Glorin Binfurr in Butcherblock). Was a just for fun spell I gues... I'm not sure if the spell was removed or just never implemented... I've seen it mentioned in the RoK strategy guide, but it's since been taken off most spell lists. Any enchanters out there know if the spell ever existed at a time?

Anyway, it would be logical (although EQ isn't always logical, of course) to have a Vah Shir illusion spell, since enchanters have spells in place to make them look like all the other playable races... having vah shir too would maintain that consistency.

But EQ isn't always consistent either...

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Illusion: Gender never made it through the final cut of Kunark Spells when it went retail.

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Skaw had this to say about Tron:
Theres no reason for Illusion: Vah Shir, as everyone starts indifferent with them, you kill your faction, your fault.

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Really? Try walking into Katta Castellum or Sanctus Seru looking like a dark elf? (Actually, illusions fade as you zone anyway, until you get that nice new AA enchaters get, that preserves your illusion permanently, only dying, logging off, or intentionally clicking it off with turn off the illusion).

Granted, a human illusion would work just as well as a vah shir illusion, but it doesn't make it useless...

Anyway, like I said, enchanters already have illusion for every other playable race, they SHOULD have vah shir too, but that doesn't meant they WILL.

But they probably will... maybe...

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Skaw had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
The only form of Illusion: Vah Shir in the game is a right click item dropped in the Shissar Temple, and guess what, its bard and rogue only.

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Hm... that's proves there's a vah shir illusion out there... if there's a bard/rogue mask for vah shir illusion that's already been found, it increases the likelihood that there's an enchanter spell out there somewhere, waiting to be discovered... or waiting for Verant discover they forgot to put it in...

Trouble is, this argument can never end until the spell is found. Absense of evidence isn't evidence of absense; the fact nobody's found it yet doesn't prove it doesn't exist. It may just be undiscovered. It's impossible to prove it DOESN'T exist, unless Verant comes out and confirms such. Obviously, if somebosy finds it, that's certaintly proof that it DOES.

So until someone actually finds the spell, it's only a "maybe" that might turn into a confirmed "yes" by someone in the game. Only Verant will be able to make it a confirmed "no."

So that's enough arguing about conjecture...

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D had this to say about dark elf butts:
I'd wager that it's not in game. Along with Levitation and Everlasting Breath.

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My friend has actually looted a couple of Leviation spells from the Deep. I can't remember what he got them from, though.

Frankly, I don't care if its in spell form or not. It's useless to me, and many others.

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Skaw had this to say about Captain Planet:
Funny, I never said it didn't exist, or the mask statement would've contradicted myself, all I said was that theres no reason for it. I also implied to not listen to spell lists or strategy guides, because they can be wrong, so Troodon, you were arguing a failed, meaningless arguement.

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Whatever... like you've said before, it takes two to argue, so if I was arguing a failed, meaningless argument, so were you...

But I've said all I care to say. I admit most of the racial illusions don't have any practical purpose (well some do, but you don't need ALL of them... a human illusion usually doesn't do anything to your faction that half elf doesn't, for example). They're mostly just for fun.

Until I get my enchanter to 54, if I ever do, it doesn't really matter one way or the other to me if there's a vah shir illusion spell, because I can't use it anyway.

Whatever, I'm bored of this, there's really nothing worth arguing about this anymore.

hehe.. plus flying around in newbie areas as an imp, or running up on orc hill as a werewolf.. that's what illusions are all about.. and the Vah Shir illusion is 2nd only to C2 on the spells I wanted most for when I turned 54.

Not that it will help, but I did send in a comment to the developer's forum asking them to make sure the spell is functionally in the game.. I'm going to be soooo disappointed if we enchanter's don't get this.

Thanks for all the great responses.

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VilkataGrazioso had this to say about John Romero:
After all, the Iksar illusion doesn't change your faction with the Iksar.

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Yes it does.

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VilkataGrazioso wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
After all, the Iksar illusion doesn't change your faction with the Iksar

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Yes it does.

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VilkataGrazioso had this to say about Robocop:
The Vah Shir illusion doesn't have to be functional to be worth while. After all, the Iksar illusion doesn't change your faction with the Iksar.

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Oh yes, it does. In fact I've talked with an agnostic enchanter who said that with his iksar illusion on (before he started turning in bonechips to Trooper Mozo) said the illusion made him indifferent with all iksar... except those on Scaled Mystics(shamans at the time, and now beastlords as well) faction. However, he did find out the hard way that Crusader Quarg, despite being a shadowknight, was on this faction... the 700 point harm touch was a good clue that he didn't like him as much as the other shadowknights, who were indifferent.

Keep in mind that although the illusion will fool them into thinking you're an iksar, it's not enough to be welcome in Cabilis, since they still know your class and religion. Scaled Mystics really has it out for worshippers of non-evil deities, and non-evil casters (enchanters, magicians, and wizards). The fact they think you're iksar won't save you there...

I believe it's impossible for worshippers of non-evil deities to ever be non KOS to Scaled Mystics, although with enough bonechips they can get non-KOS with all other iksar factions(except Brood of Kotiz, the necromancers, you have to kill outcasts to raise that). That includes agnostics... be very careful to avoid Crusader Quarg when turning in your bonechips in iksar form. (Also note that you should be at least dubious in your natural form before turning in bonechips).

Again, the lesson that all enchanters learn early on, is that racial illusions change your faction, but only the part that has to do with your race; your class and religion is still apparent to NPCs. An Innouruuk-worshipping dark elf enchanter with a human illusion will be trated like an Innoruuk-worshipping human enchanter, for example. You can't ever fool an NPC about your class and religion, so an illusion is not always enough to raise your faction above KOS...

edit p.s.: Besides changing your faction to that of an iksar, iksar illusion also gives you iksar regen and infravision (if you're a race that doesn't have it, like a human, erudite, or dark elf), so it is definitely a functional spell!

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Skaw had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Illusions be bugge right now anyway, no form change, just the faction shifts and/or benefits.

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That's only temporary, you can be sure that Verant will eventually fix that. Hopefully by the next patch.

Illusion: Druid! hehe

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Troodon had this to say about Tron:
Blah blah blah about iksar illusion

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All an enchanter would need to do is cast a faction buff on a scaled mystic and not have to worry.

Besides, Invisibility works. Use it!

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