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Topic: Good stuff.. where do you get it?
Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 01-29-2002 01:34:24 AM
quote:
Comrade_Snoota wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Phara Dar had nothing to do with Trakanon's trechery, and they were OPENLY married. Not just 'involved'. They were mates. Because Trakanon, before rotting for a few hundred years had a bad effect on his skin, was a blue Dragon like Jaled and Phara. Trakanon was the next in line for the rulership of Veeshan's Peak, since he was the next male. He decided to step up the pace a little, since Dragons have notoriously long lives and Jaled wasn't interested in fighting anything that might abruptly end it, and started a war between the Iksars and Dragons in the hopes that Jaled would perish. After his trechery was found out Phara Dar cursed him and banished him to the ruins of Sebilis, where he used Necromantic arts to keep himself alive. Jaled Dar even calls out to his daughter for comfort in Dragon Necropolis if you stay in the zone long enough to hear the shouts. And I have spent more time in that zone than I care to. =/

(Please don't read any sarcasm into what I'm about to say... none is implied or intended.. I mean it literally.)

Wow, this is good stuff. What is your source, if you don't mind me asking? I've only been able to piece my knowledge of EQ lore from little snippets from instruction manuals, strategy guides, other people who say they've heard it somewhere, and the rest from extrapolation and educated guesses (or sometimes even wild, uneducated guesses!) Eventually I'll say something wrong (that's usually close to being right, but with events out of sequence, key players misidentified... but sometimes not even close), somebody will correct me, and I can revise and expand my knowledge. But that's a tedious and confusing process... is there a repository of EQ lore somewhere I don't know about? I'd love to know... getting lore knowledge from a reliable source would sure help.

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Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-29-2002 01:38:29 AM
Books in game.

There are lots and lots of em.



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 01-29-2002 02:57:25 AM
quote:
Black Mage had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Books in game.

There are lots and lots of em.


Read all the ones available in Cabilis (hence I know iksar lore rather well). Noticed several books for sale near the Temple of Brell in Thurgadin, most labeled "Velious History volume x"... think I'll take a peek.

Any website maybe that works on posting contents of some of the in-game books?

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 01-29-2002 03:00:04 AM
And unto you I bestow the gift of knowledge.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/lore/Lore_List.html


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 01-29-2002 03:20:53 AM
Wow, thanks... wish I'd seen this sooner... not a complete list, but still more lore than I've seen in one place before. Excellent.
Sora
Domo Arigato
posted 01-29-2002 09:13:05 AM
In game books, some are harder to find than others. There is one book that you have to give an emerald to this guy in OT to get. Its about the war between the Iksar and the Dragons, and some before and after on it. I think you can buy this in Cabilis too, but being KOS there im not gonna go looking.
Also some NPCs will tell you stuff, some in Kerra ridge, some in Paineel, Erudin, dwarf city in CC, other places too.
Also I remember when I started playing I would see bard GMs telling stories. Sometimes it was game history, sometimes just weird little stories. But I dont see this much anymore...

[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Sora ]

Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 01-29-2002 09:25:06 AM
I got a lot of that particular information from talking to Jaled Dar's Shade in Dragon Necropolis, plus I think one of the books in Cabilis talks about the Dragon-Iksar war, albeit more from the Iksar side.

Vaslin also has a neato quest compedium. I even submitted some of that stuff! One of them even has my Cleric's name in it! I'm FAMOUS.

Jaled says the only thing in EverQuest that has ever actually seemed.. sad to me. I love EverQuest, and think it actually has a great atmosphere if you get past a few things, but nothing ever really stirred an emotion in my almost three years of playing. One of his random zone shouts is something along the lines of, 'Harla! Phara! Where are you? It's dark here. And cold. Oh so cold.'

[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Comrade_Snoota ]

You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 01-29-2002 09:30:10 AM
ubb ownz me

[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Comrade_Snoota ]

You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 01-29-2002 12:31:21 PM
Um, while reading the nice detailed history of the trolls on Allakhazam's lore page, something bothered me... seemed to be a bit of a contradiction...

quote:
It is written that here, nestled on the banks of the Murkdweller river, Innoruk chose to taint the bodies of man with cruel magics in his attempt at further having a hold on the prophecied surge of human power in the third age. But with the advent of the war of the broken crown, sages tell that Innoruk eventually forgot about his trollish abominations and left them to die on Kunark.

But right out of the RoK instruction book...

quote:
Cazic-Thule, Lord of Fear, was drawn to the swamps and jungles of Norrath and there created the green-skinned Trolls and the reptilian Iksar of Kunark.

So who was it? Innoruuk or Cazic-Thule? Three possibilities come to mind:
1. The trolls are a bit confused of their history, and somewhere along the way a mistake got passed down generation to generation, resulting in mistaken knowledge of their true origin. This would explain why the trolls can worship both Cazic-Thule and Innoruuk, two different contradicting traditions.
2. Innoruuk was responsible for the troll's state, but not their actual creation; similar to the dark elves. Technically, the dark elves were actually created by Tunare (as high elves), then Innoruuk corrupted them to a new state. Maybe something similar to that happened to Cazic-Thule's creations (although the troll lore said the trolls were corrupted men...)
3. Verant just goofed, and created a contradiction in the lore.

Any ideas?

Also the detailed story of the civil war between the trolls... and how they were led by Trakanon... and absolutely no mention of the iksar at all... led me to wonder about the timeline. This would have to predate the war beteen the dragons and iksar, I would think... the Field of Bone has yet to earn its name, and the war between the iksar and dragons doesn't occur until about the 4th emperor of Sebilis, and here there's no mention of the iksar empire at all. Also means that some of them bones in FoB date back long beofre the Sebilis Empire (although they must be much more deeply buried than the pit that was the former resevoir for the city of Kaesora.) That hill mentioned in the story is likely near where the abandoned crypt and spiderling caves are now.

Any thoughts here?

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Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 01-29-2002 12:40:48 PM
The irony is the origins of the Troll is a question on the guide application....which if you get it wrong your application is rejected....
Gydyon
Evercrest Lawyer

Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001

Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 01-29-2002 01:23:41 PM
So don't go to a spoiler site to figure out the answer.

You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
Sora
Domo Arigato
posted 01-29-2002 03:05:24 PM
Ive seen a few little loops like this, one story says one thing, another story says something diffrent on the same topic. Makes things confusing.
Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 01-29-2002 03:11:06 PM
I think there may be some rivalry between Innoruuk and Cazic-Thule... there is at least one other record of Innoruuk trying to get involved with Kunark affairs, when Veril Sathir made a pact with him to indefinitely sustain his life, but his son Rile threw a wrench into the works, not wanting to get screwed out of the Sebilisian throne (similar to Trakanon's betrayal of Jaled Dar... having heirs significantly shortens your life expectancy, it seems... much like Roman emperors in real life history.) Cazic-Thule doesn't seem to want Innoruuk sticking his nose into Kunark.

It is still a mystery who sent the Greenmist, although it is believed it was probably dure to the shissar angering their gods somehow. The Greemist sounds a lot like Bertoxxulos' MO... maybe Bertox owed Cazic-Thule a favor? That's just wild speculaton, as CT seems to want jis followers to fend for themselves, but would probably get involved if other deities chose to interfere.

Innoruuk certainly isn't well like by the other deities (not even the evil ones), and vice-versa...

Well, back to the main topic, anyone out there know the disparity between the origins of the trolls? Who really created them, Innoruuk or Cazic-Thule?

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