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Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 06:56:25 AM
I'm seriously interested in learning how to type with Dvorak keyboard layout, but I can't find any typing programs that support it.

Anyone know where I can find something of that nature? Or at least a keyboard map of the dvorak layout? heh.

Squire Twitch
Pancake
posted 01-24-2002 06:58:53 AM
Step 1. Find wall.

Step 2. Bash head against wall.

Step 3. Repeat.


Ever think theres maybe a REASON Dvorak keyboards havent caught on yet?

My parents just came back from a planet where the dominant lifeform had no bilateral symmetry, and all I got was this stupid F-Shirt
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 01-24-2002 07:00:22 AM
What the hell's a Dvorak?
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Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 07:03:18 AM
quote:
JooJooFlop impressed everyone with:
What the hell's a Dvorak?

The standard QWERTY keyboard lay out is a left-over from mechanical typewriters.

It's actually deliberatly set up to slow typists down, so they don't jam up the pins that hammer down the letters.

Dvorak is designed for electronic mediums. It's configured with the most used keys on the home row, and it's set up to speed typing rather than hinder it.

Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 07:07:34 AM
quote:
Talorynn had this to say about Pirotess:
Ever think theres maybe a REASON Dvorak keyboards havent caught on yet?

Same reason we're not using the metric system?

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 01-24-2002 10:14:31 AM
I type Dvorak, and it's much faster than QWERTY.

I think the latest Mavis Beacon teaches Dvorak layout. I learned on my Amiga, way back when.

You don't need a special keyboard, either: just change the keyboard language in Windows. That has the added benefit of keeping others off your machine, as the letters painted on the keyboard no longer correspond to the letters being typed.

You can check the box of Mavis Beacon, and it'll tell you whether it supports Dvorak.

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Pancake
posted 01-24-2002 10:17:44 AM
Yeah.... Having a Dvorak layout with a QWERTY kybd is a great security tool. That's how we kept people from screwing with one of the servers at Kon last year.... There were 3 people who could type on it, and I wasn't one of them.

Of course, I'm just now getting to the point that I can actually type shit mostly correct without looking at the kybd. Never been one for touch type....

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Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 01-24-2002 10:21:19 AM
Well, if you want to touch type, the best way to learn is when the letters don't match what's printed on the keys!

It's still death for me to glance at my keyboard while typing.

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Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

nem-x
posted 01-24-2002 10:34:37 AM
Whats your Words per minute using that keyboard?
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 01-24-2002 10:37:06 AM
quote:
nem-x had this to say about pies:
Whats your Words per minute using that keyboard?

WPM isn't an objective scale, but switching from QWERTY was an instant 20wpm increase for me. I understand that's about average, unless you're seriously god-like with QWERTY.

I touch-type QWERTY, too, and it's not that hard to switch, though it takes a day or so to get back full speed.

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Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 01-24-2002 10:45:05 AM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about pies:
WPM isn't an objective scale, but switching from QWERTY was an instant 20wpm increase for me. I understand that's about average, unless you're seriously god-like with QWERTY.

I touch-type QWERTY, too, and it's not that hard to switch, though it takes a day or so to get back full speed.



Dvorak is downright awesome if you have to type for any great length of time. It's tricky to learn if you've been using the qwerty model for a while. We have a couple people in the office who use it, and they flat out fly when it comes to typing.

But once you've made the switch, you'll never go back

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nem-x
posted 01-24-2002 10:49:25 AM
I dunno if I could use the DAOWOASDAMDAOBVA board. I don't use the standard way of typing on the qwerty boards, like home keys and all that junk, yet I can type very fast.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 01-24-2002 10:51:31 AM
quote:
nem-x had this to say about John Romero:
I dunno if I could use the DAOWOASDAMDAOBVA board. I don't use the standard way of typing on the qwerty boards, like home keys and all that junk, yet I can type very fast.

I have no idea what kind of board you mean.

I use a standard (MS Natural) keyboard, and map Dvorak via the OS.

Once you learn to touch-type correctly, regardless of the system you choose, your speed will increase.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Kanid
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posted 01-24-2002 11:10:56 AM
There has been quite a few studies on the matter, I was looking into having AOL start a training class and convert over for increased performance.

The US Navy did a study many years ago and the average increase in typing speed was 50%.

This change also reduces the risk of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, since your fingers are not moving as much to the distant keys but remaining on the "home" row more often.

[ 01-24-2002: Message edited by: Kanid ]

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Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-24-2002 12:04:24 PM
Is there a place where you can actually order a DVORAK keyboard?
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Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 01-24-2002 12:06:13 PM
quote:
Karnaj wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Is there a place where you can actually order a DVORAK keyboard?

http://www.fentek-ind.com/dvorak.htm

Yep.

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Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-24-2002 12:10:25 PM
quote:
Reynar had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
[QUOTE]Karnaj wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
[qb]Is there a place where you can actually order a DVORAK keyboard?


http://www.fentek-ind.com/dvorak.htm

Yep.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Ooooh! Thanks.

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Beer.

Kel
Pancake
posted 01-24-2002 02:00:35 PM
You know, I keep considering the switch to DVORAK, but then someone mentions the 'home row' arguement...

I had the worst time in my typing classes in HS simply because my fingers don't actually rest comfortably on 'home' row. Either my index finger or my pinky finger is always a row off, and i have to twist my wrists out to the side to even line up that much... makes the 'standard' touch typing very hard.

I type by touch, but my hands are all over the keyboard. Other people are weirded out by the way I type... but it works for me. I type at about 60-65 wpm. And since my job generally end up with me using other people's keyboards, I'd probably go insane trying to switch.

Anyone who uses DVORAK have any comments on switching back and forth after learning? I heard that it's death, but that was from someone... rather inflexible...

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Dark Elf Pimp
posted 01-24-2002 02:31:34 PM
I popped the keys out of my old keyboard to turn it into a Dvorak-layout.. I'll make a pic if I have time or something
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 01-24-2002 02:48:52 PM
quote:
Kel had this to say about John Romero:
You know, I keep considering the switch to DVORAK, but then someone mentions the 'home row' arguement...

I had the worst time in my typing classes in HS simply because my fingers don't actually rest comfortably on 'home' row. Either my index finger or my pinky finger is always a row off, and i have to twist my wrists out to the side to even line up that much... makes the 'standard' touch typing very hard.

I type by touch, but my hands are all over the keyboard. Other people are weirded out by the way I type... but it works for me. I type at about 60-65 wpm. And since my job generally end up with me using other people's keyboards, I'd probably go insane trying to switch.

Anyone who uses DVORAK have any comments on switching back and forth after learning? I heard that it's death, but that was from someone... rather inflexible...


Switching back and forth isn't that hard. Takes a bit to get back into it, but my technique is that, when I'm typing Dvorak, I don't look at the keyboard, but when I'm typing QWERTY, I glance at the keyboard every few seconds (not to cheat, but as a mental cue what layout I'm typing).

On the home row, you should try an ergonomic keyboard. I prefer the MS Natural, but others like a flatter layout. It really helps.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

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Dark Elf Pimp
posted 01-24-2002 04:22:39 PM
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Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 07:16:52 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Pirotess:
You don't need a special keyboard, either: just change the keyboard language in Windows.

Any idea how to do this in WinXP?

Suddar Williams
SUDAR WILAMS
posted 01-24-2002 07:23:30 PM
I don't know if it would be all that different under XP, but I figured out how to do it through the control panel in ME...

Go to Keyboard, Languages, and the Properties. Under "keyboard layout," Dvorak should be right there.

Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 07:25:51 PM
No it is different

I figured it out though.

It'll even let me switch from qwerty to dvorak and back by pressing a hotkey combination! yay!

Suddar Williams
SUDAR WILAMS
posted 01-24-2002 07:26:39 PM
Go XP.
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-24-2002 07:36:13 PM
quote:
Maradön? had this to say about (_|_):
No it is different

I figured it out though.

It'll even let me switch from qwerty to dvorak and back by pressing a hotkey combination! yay!


Share plz k thx?

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Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 07:39:32 PM
quote:
Karnaj stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Share plz k thx?

In control panel:

Regional and Language options => Languages tab => Details => Add => Check the "Keyboard Layout/IME" checbox and select "English Dvorak" from the dropdown box.

To set the hotkey, click "Key Settings" in that same window.

nem-x
posted 01-24-2002 07:49:40 PM
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Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 07:50:44 PM
Keep practicing, heh
Jaggedpine Mistwalker
Member #4!
posted 01-24-2002 07:53:20 PM
This Dvorak is hard... look at me try and type in it:

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I can't get the hang of it! I've been typing qwerty since I was 6!

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-24-2002 07:54:43 PM
quote:
Maradön? impressed everyone with:
Keep practicing, heh

I need to fashion a dvorak overlay for my keyboard now. It took me 2 minutes to type this message correctly. LOL

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

nem-x
posted 01-24-2002 08:03:00 PM
Just make dvorak a special code =)
Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 08:11:10 PM
I just printed out the dvorak layout image from that website.

This was typed in dvorak, heh

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 01-24-2002 08:13:26 PM
I really recommend a typing tutor program; the drills really help you figure out the layout.
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

nem-x
posted 01-24-2002 08:15:17 PM
I dunno, if I get used to Dvorak I'd have to change the settings on each computer I go on because I'll probably forget good ol' qwerty.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 01-24-2002 08:17:11 PM
quote:
nem-x wrote this stupid crap:
I dunno, if I get used to Dvorak I'd have to change the settings on each computer I go on because I'll probably forget good ol' qwerty.

But that's the beauty of it! No one, ever again, will be able to use your computer without your express permission.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-24-2002 08:17:34 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Captain Planet:
I really recommend a typing tutor program; the drills really help you figure out the layout.

Is there a particular one you'd swear by?

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Maradon!
posted 01-24-2002 08:18:00 PM
quote:
nem-x wrote this stupid crap:
I dunno, if I get used to Dvorak I'd have to change the settings on each computer I go on because I'll probably forget good ol' qwerty.

Not any more than you'd forget base 12 measurement after learning metric.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 01-24-2002 08:21:22 PM
quote:
Karnaj wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Is there a particular one you'd swear by?

For PC, Mavis Beacon is the only one I've tried. The version I got also supported Dvorak.

It was pretty good, though I found some of the speed drills annoying.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

nem-x
posted 01-24-2002 08:25:29 PM
I hate it when they tell you to type stuff out that aren't even words.
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