After watching the furre debates on this forum, I happened to mention it to a friend of mine. Turns out this friend to ss of the furre way of life, and went on a long tirade about how misunderstood they are. So after appealing to my love of reason, logic, and fact..they convinced me to download furcadia and walk through the world of furres and form my own opinion.
That is when I saw a char with this url in their details to see what their char was supposed to look like.
Hence..my conclusions speak for themselves. I present to you a very scary lil mind: [ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Old Hickory ]
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One man with courage makes a majority.
That's something I never got a straight answer on from any lycanthropes, though. How come lycanthropic mammalian females don't sprout extra boobs in hybrid form?
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about dark elf butts:
Okay now I see it okay.That's something I never got a straight answer on from any lycanthropes, though. How come lycanthropic mammalian females don't sprout extra boobs in hybrid form?
Because they are more human than beast. Lycantrope is where a human becomes ferel. In my mind, if an animal becomes more docile, its losing its wildness, and becomes a pet, not a monster 
Then again I'm just being picky 
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As for the issue of how many breasts, I have something of an answer. If you look at a normal four legged animal (say, a cat), the nipples are on the abdomen, and there are several. On a humanoid, they are on the chest, and there are two. I figure that the "shift" up on the body is when they go to the human standard of two. If it's a quadruped, it should have the standard number for that animal type.
Female lizards don't need them, and shouldn't have them. For realizing that with the female Iksar, Verant earned a bit of extra respect from me. If a female lizard DOES have them, odds are they are implants.
<Lashanna> At any rate, with that much extra weight, human women would either have to be much more muscular, or bedridden during pregnancy.
<Ja`Deth> actually most mammals lose a significant amount of their normal weight during pregnancy
<Ja`Deth> Mother bears, for instance, after having cubs are nearly frenzied with starvation
<Ja`Deth> humans are a rarity. and the only reason humans evolutionarily lose mobility and gain extra weight while pregnant is because they can afford to
<JRRTolkien> Ok. This way to much thought into this. Especially for most people who play furres. I stand by my furre they just like having two boobies beause everyone likes two boobies.
<JRRTolkien> furre theory
<Ja`Deth> interesting fact: largely obese women actually lose weight (breaking even, generally, if you include the weight of the womb and its contents) during pregnancy
<Ja`Deth> and they don't generally get as hungry, since the body (due to evolutionary traits) checks its "Pantry" before sending hunger signals
* Ja`Deth wonders if you guys can tell I read up on a lot of subjects I don't really get to discuss much
<JRRTolkien> yes! We can!
<Lashanna> Yes... =p
* Lashanna wishes Lyinar was here for all this, 
<Ja`Deth> why?
<Lashanna> Nothin', =p
<Ja`Deth> She's big into genetics. She'd probably find discussion of evolution, anatomy and the like very interesting. She'd also probably be able to give us some interesting insight from a genetics standpoint.
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quote:The extra nipples on females in hybrid form are still relatively hidden under the fur. In many cases, animals' rows of nipples are not even visible in full animal form unless she is pregnant or nursing.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
most lycanthropes have a half/half form. obviously werecritters who go completely to beast form (the most traditional form of werewolf) take on whatever unusual traits there are. I find it humorous, then, that most female weres I've encountered balk at the notion of more than two breasts (four or six or whatever, depending on critter). I also find it humorous that reptilian furres insist on keeping breasts (mammary glands are solely the territory of mammals).Then again I'm just being picky
As for reptiles, an accurate depiction of reptilian hybrid form would still have breasts, but the nipples, if present at all, would be no more than a slight variance in shape, providing no useful function. This follows the general rule that a therianthrope hybrid has general human body shape with the features of his or her animal form. [ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Ford Prefect ]
Also, unless you count Hollywood, the only werewolves I've ever heard of were a wolf during the full moon, and human every other time, never in-between.
Unless you want to bend the rules to make the idea more pallatable - which I really see nothing wrong with given that "furryism" is little more than a social club anyway - then yes you would develop six breasts as a quadripedal mammal, and yes you'd lose all your tits as a reptile. [ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Maradön? ]
quote:That's the difference between a lizard species of humanoid, and a therianthrope. Therianthropes are inherently part human, not just humanoid.
Palador ChibiDragon had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Female lizards don't need them, and shouldn't have them. For realizing that with the female Iksar, Verant earned a bit of extra respect from me. If a female lizard DOES have them, odds are they are implants.
quote:Think D&D, White Wolf, and other big-name roleplaying systems.
Maradön? wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Also, unless you count Hollywood, the only werewolves I've ever heard of were a wolf during the full moon, and human every other time, never in-between.
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Ford Prefect had this to say about John Romero:
That's the difference between a lizard species of humanoid, and a therianthrope. Therianthropes are inherently part human, not just humanoid.
True. However, even in a therianthrope, they shouldn't be very big. If the body's altered enough to have scale-n-tail, then it's not going to have huge breasts.
However, if it's a were (shapechanges from human to hybrid), and the human has implants, then they would stay large, or at least have the size of the implants.
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Palador ChibiDragon had this to say about Optimus Prime:
True. However, even in a therianthrope, they shouldn't be very big. If the body's altered enough to have scale-n-tail, then it's not going to have huge breasts.However, if it's a were (shapechanges from human to hybrid), and the human has implants, then they would stay large, or at least have the size of the implants.
Applying this statement to lizard therianthropes, yeah, I'll agree they shouldn't be huge. Except for the heavier-set lizard species (and there aren't that many fat lizards), a streamline physique is more appropriate. Just don't count them out altogether. If the human form isn't flat-chested, the hybrid form won't be flat-chested either.I think the form pictured to the left (touched up from the Horizons design) is a pretty good depiction of a feline/human hybrid.
In the case of mammals, if you're not basing the species design directly on the animal, but on your own design preferences (as with the vah-shir), then breast size & location is up to you. Just keep in mind that a species with two breasts wouldn't typically have more than one or two offspring at a time, while those with rows of nipples down the abdomen would typically bare litters. [ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Ford Prefect ]
Hybrid is a little more human then animal. Standing up on two legs, apposible thumbs, arm shaped more human the animal fore limbs, legs a bit more human like then animal, but still walking on toes. Some have more humanesque faceial looks then animal, some have more animal (You've seen my hybrid werefrom done by Woody, he's managed to accually draw it as I've always dremt, and seen myself as in wereform)
Some were's accually have hidden under their fur other teets, but being half human, the top two that you see show more. Or in the case of Kyoht's artwork and her were forms the breasts arn't shown at all under the fur.
It's basicaly a matter of how someone perseves themselves as a werecreature. And also how some artist wants to draw them. When someone draws me in were form, I do ask (and I can't remember if I asked Woody or not, my memory sucks) that my boobs arn't drawn so hidiously out of perportion that my back would snap =P
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Kameks had this to say about dark elf butts:
Odd captian all my blue vulcan blood has seemed to rush to my crotch.
GREEN VULCAN BLOOD IS GREEN!
goober
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Old Hickory had this to say about dark elf butts:
and went on a long tirade about how misunderstood they are
You know, every time I go apeshit and start either banning or shaving the local furries, someone accuses me of "stereotyping" furries and that I "don't understand" them.... and then something like that pops up, or it turns out that the same people who told me it's not about furrysex hang out in some sex/pleasure bar in Furcadia (which, indeed, seem to be the most popular places there).
It seems that I understand them perfectly well, thankyouverymuch; much more than I care to, at any rate.
And yes, I play Furcadia, thankyouverymuch. I happen to like having blue hair and kitty ears.
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We were all impressed when Drysart wrote:
You know, every time I go apeshit and start either banning or shaving the local furries, someone accuses me of "stereotyping" furries and that I "don't understand" them.... and then something like that pops up, or it turns out that the same people who told me it's not about furrysex hang out in some sex/pleasure bar in Furcadia (which, indeed, seem to be the most popular places there).It seems that I understand them perfectly well, thankyouverymuch; much more than I care to, at any rate.
There are many non-pervert furries out there. However, if you go looking around on the internet, you will find lots of furverts (furry perverts, my own word 
). Many perverts use "furryness" as a way to hide the real them, much as anon posters do on some flame-ridden message boards. Plus, they seem to think that if it's furry, it's not perverse. Needless to say, that's wrong.
I don't like Drysart's view of furries, but I can't blame him for it. I can and do blame all the furverts in the world.
When will they realize that having fur/a tail/scales/bunny ears is NOT an excuse to be revolting?
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Palador ChibiDragon, with a bit of inspiration, coins the word:
Furvert.
Out. Of. The. Park
Statement of fact.
*shrugs*
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