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Topic: Vah Shir a large race, or medium?
Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 12-16-2001 11:37:28 PM
Beastlords have expanded the market on tailored items. The cured silk and wu's fighting armor that were formerly monk only can now be used by beastlords.

Cured Silk
Class: MNK BST
Race: HUM IKS TRL OGR VAH BAR

But on Wu's:
Class: MNK BST
Race: HUM IKS VAH

This means that although cured silk can be worn by all monks and beastlords, wu's can only be worn by beastlords that are vah shir and iksar. Logically, this would suggest that wu's is specifically sized medium (while cured silk is not sized). But then shouldn't barbarians, who can wear either medium or large, also be able to wear wu's? Or is it restricted to medium only races, which would mean vah shirs are medium? As far as I understand it, vah shir are like barbarians as far as armor size, then can wear either medium or large armor. If wu's can't be worn by large races, this makes sense, but it doesn't make sense that barbarians, who can wear medium armor, are left out. Maybe vah shir are are slightly smaller than barbarians, so can stretch the wu's out a little, but barbarians can't? Any ideas here, because I'm stumped, frankly. Trying to figure out Verant's logic on this one.

Anyway, this is good news to tailors, who now have more people to sell their cured silk and wu's to, to help fund their practice in the skill.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 12-16-2001 11:48:32 PM
they are like barbarians when it comes to armor, yeah.

which means wu's isnt explainable

Maradon!
posted 12-16-2001 11:49:43 PM
The answer is you can wear whatever the hell Verant says you can wear and that's the end of that.
Star Collective
Pancake
posted 12-16-2001 11:51:18 PM
I was under the impression someone wasn't supposed to post about EQ...
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Maradon!
posted 12-16-2001 11:57:07 PM
quote:
Star Collective had this to say about dark elf butts:
I was under the impression someone wasn't supposed to post about EQ...

I'm not, you are. Now bugger off.

Star Collective
Pancake
posted 12-17-2001 12:01:20 AM
Are you sure?
The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 12-17-2001 12:36:56 AM
quote:
Star Collective had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I was under the impression someone wasn't supposed to post about EQ...

As long as he posts under the Maradon account, and avoids the Mara-rants, I think he's allowed to talk all he wants about EQ.

Remember, YOU have to click on his posts to see and read them. They are very easy to ignore if you don't want to see them.

And this time, he's dead on. They wear whatever Verant decides they can wear. It may not make sense to us, but I'm sure it made sense to somebody.

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Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 12-17-2001 12:44:51 AM
they are SUPPOSED to be a large race, which doesn't explain the lack of the Slam skill.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 12-17-2001 12:49:44 AM
quote:
Densetsu had this to say about John Romero:
they are SUPPOSED to be a large race, which doesn't explain the lack of the Slam skill.

It's more like they are a large-ish race. Some of the large sized outfits fit them, but they don't have quite the mass of the truely large races. If they did, they wouldn't be able to Safefall.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 12-17-2001 12:58:04 AM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
It's more like they are a large-ish race. Some of the large sized outfits fit them, but they don't have quite the mass of the truely large races. If they did, they wouldn't be able to Safefall.
Which is kinda funny, since my Vah Shir Beastlord is taller than my friend's Barbarian Shaman...
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 12-17-2001 01:07:00 AM
quote:
Densetsu had this to say about Pirotess:
Which is kinda funny, since my Vah Shir Beastlord is taller than my friend's Barbarian Shaman...

And Vah Shir don't fit in Kelethin doorways, whereas barbarians do when crouching.

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 12-17-2001 01:10:31 AM
Hummm, good points. Maybe they could, but it's just not part of their fighting style? They've learned to be lighter on their feet, and performing a Slam attack goes against that?

Oh, has anyone else noticed that some of the new Monk/Beastmaster weapons use the H2H skill? I guess they found a way to fix that problem that kept them from doing that. I wonder what uber-weapons there are for monks now?

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 12-17-2001 01:10:46 AM
They're in between large and medium.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 12-17-2001 01:11:07 AM
Only Vah Shir I have is a beastlord...do kitty warriors at least get Slam?
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 12-17-2001 01:11:49 AM
They get bash, but not slam.
I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 12-17-2001 01:25:53 AM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
They get bash, but not slam.

Um
No?

Miandor
Pancake
posted 12-17-2001 05:20:47 AM
I dont think the problem here is the size of the Vah Shir, but more of a "how in the world do ogres fit in as monk/shaman"
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Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 12-17-2001 05:21:37 AM
quote:
Densetsu had this to say about dark elf butts:
Only Vah Shir I have is a beastlord...do kitty warriors at least get Slam?

Slam isn't a class ability, it's a race ability. If the beastlord doesnt have it, none of them do.

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Mightion Defensor
posted 12-17-2001 06:37:22 AM
They can wear medium fine plate too, despite the claims of people in the Bazaar... sorry Banditt.
Jared D'Faybane
Pancake
posted 12-17-2001 06:41:53 AM
Well, there are various sizes.

There are Small, these of, of course, include Halflings, Dwarves, and Gnomes.

There are Elven Races (Which are Small-Medium), and these include Dark Elves, Wood Elves, and High Elves.

There are Medium Races, and these include Humans, Half Elves, and Erudites.

There are Medium-Large races, and these include Barbarians, Iksar, and Vah Sir(sp, I don't have Luclin yet).

Then there are large races, which are, duh, Ogres and Trolls.

Now, this doesn't explain why Barbarians can't use cured silk, but who know, maybe Barbarians will be able to in the future, if it's brought to Verant's attention.

(More likely, it will be either ignored, or low on the priority list, or they'll make some In-Character Roleplay excuse that actually makes no sense at all.)

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Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 12-17-2001 06:43:43 AM
Here comes Mort to solve this problem!

Var Shir are a medium, fat, race.

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 12-17-2001 06:46:01 AM
quote:
Jared D'Faybane had this to say:
Now, this doesn't explain why Barbarians can't use cured silk

No, that's pretty easy to explain. The kitties are graceful in their movements, where the Barbs are... well... "not graceful". They'd rip and shred cured silk by just running around.

[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: Mortious Shadowstalker ]

Jared D'Faybane
Pancake
posted 12-17-2001 06:49:27 AM
quote:
Mortious Shadowstalker wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
No, that's pretty easy to explain. The kitties are graceful in their movements, where the Barbs are... well... "not graceful". They'd rip and shred cured silk by just running around.

I can see that, but then again, Barbarians can be rogues (I've always had a problem with that...)

"The only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure."
"He made a fatal mistake. He tried to interfere with my destiny. You can't interfere with destiny, that's what makes it destiny. If you try, you'll just suffer"
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Darius!
Pancake
posted 12-17-2001 07:29:56 AM
They can use a weighted axe... theyre large.
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 12-17-2001 07:32:34 AM
quote:
First Dragon had this to say:
They can use a weighted axe... theyre large.

No, just fat.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 12-17-2001 09:00:49 AM
quote:
Mortious Shadowstalker had this to say about Cuba:
No, just fat.

Now ... how many Garfields or variations of have you seen so far?

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 12-17-2001 09:16:21 AM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon had this to say about Cuba:
Hummm, good points. Maybe they could, but it's just not part of their fighting style? They've learned to be lighter on their feet, and performing a Slam attack goes against that?

Oh, has anyone else noticed that some of the new Monk/Beastmaster weapons use the H2H skill? I guess they found a way to fix that problem that kept them from doing that. I wonder what uber-weapons there are for monks now?


Well, none of the new hand to hand weapons I've seen (not saying there aren't any good ones I haven't seen) look especially good for monks, at least not at lower levels. But great for beastlords. It seems they made a new ulak line, which are all h2h weapons usable by monks and beastlords. Bought a polished steel ulak in GFay for 200pp, it's 9 27 h2h weapon. Also has 3str, 3wis, 25hp, 25mana. Monks CAN use it, but I don't see why any monk over about level 30 would. But beastlords would get a lot of mileage out of it. My monk currently uses it to help her raise her tradeskills; will give it to my beastlord when I get Luclin (Christmas is just 8 days away!). Also noticed that a rusty ulak drops, also a h2h, and not just on Luclin either, met someone in GFay who got it off a decaying skeleton in GFay, he didn't even have Luclin. Also a h2h weapon, not very good stats on it obviously, but it's the only rusty weapon I've seen that's actually magic! And no, it can't be sharpened into a tarnished ulak, people have tried, it won't combine with a sharpening stone, at least it doesn't now, but Verant may change that in the future.

Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 12-17-2001 09:23:07 AM
quote:
Jared D'Faybane impressed everyone with:
Now, this doesn't explain why Barbarians can't use cured silk, but who know, maybe Barbarians will be able to in the future, if it's brought to Verant's attention.

Um, barbarian beastlords CAN wear cured silk. All races of beastlords can wear cured silk, but only vah shir and iksar beastlords can wear wu's. Which as I've said, if wu's is medium, this should only leave out ogres and trolls, barbarian beastlords should be able to wear wu's. Maybe it sliped Verant's mind, obviously they have more pressing matters with all the Luclin problems that keep popping up. But they'll have to adress this eventually.

[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: Troodon ]

Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 12-17-2001 09:28:10 AM
quote:
Jared D'Faybane had this to say about Cuba:
There are Medium-Large races, and these include Barbarians, Iksar, and Vah Sir(sp, I don't have Luclin yet).

No, iksar are medium only, like humans, half elves, and Erudites. Barbarians and vah shir are the only medium/large races.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 12-17-2001 09:30:04 AM
quote:
Jared D'Faybane stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I can see that, but then again, Barbarians can be rogues (I've always had a problem with that...)

Rogues aren't always your pick pocket stealthy types. I have always seen "rogue" as a catch-all term to mean "Thief, thug, brigand, pirate, robber" type. They can be any and all of those, and still be a rogue.

its just too damn general of a term.

Sarudani Miolnir
Old-school poster
posted 12-17-2001 09:44:34 AM
quote:
Troodon had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Also noticed that a rusty ulak drops, also a h2h, and not just on Luclin either, met someone in GFay who got it off a decaying skeleton in GFay, he didn't even have Luclin.

Odds are someone who has SOL got it there, and later gave it to the skelly in GFay. I've given all sorts of crap weapons to mobs before, sometimes to my chagrin as they proceeded to slaughter every newbie in sight.

Sar...

Kanid
BANNED
posted 12-17-2001 10:34:12 AM
quote:
Tarquinn had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Now ... how many Garfields or variations of have you seen so far?

I think Hobbes, and variations thereof, has been the most common.

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Skaw
posted 12-17-2001 01:25:01 PM
Vah Shir don't get slam because of lack of Arm mass.
Toktuk
Pooh Ogre
Keeper of the Shoulders of Peachis Perching
posted 12-17-2001 01:37:03 PM
quote:
Jared D'Faybane had this to say about Robocop:
There are Medium-Large races, and these include Barbarians, Iksar, and Vah Sir(sp, I don't have Luclin yet)

Not true, Iksar do not get to wear any Large Equipment. If they did, they'd be able to wear Large Banded. So they can't be considered a large race in the slightest.

-Tok

Cadga
Quite Insane
posted 12-17-2001 01:39:10 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr had this to say about Robocop:
Rogues aren't always your pick pocket stealthy types. I have always seen "rogue" as a catch-all term to mean "Thief, thug, brigand, pirate, robber" type. They can be any and all of those, and still be a rogue.

its just too damn general of a term.



i agree a friend of mine played his barb rogue like a pirate :P

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Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 12-18-2001 02:33:58 AM
quote:
Sarudani Miolnir thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Odds are someone who has SOL got it there, and later gave it to the skelly in GFay. I've given all sorts of crap weapons to mobs before, sometimes to my chagrin as they proceeded to slaughter every newbie in sight.

Sar...


Nope, if you've checked Allakhazam you'll notice that rusty ulaks are showing up on several skeletons in many different Norrath zones. Too many times to just be planted ulaks, unless tons of players are going out of their way to plant these ulaks. Maybe they are, who knows.

As for killing every skeleton in sight for ulaks, um, it's really obvious looking at a skeleton if it has one or not, it's clearly visible in its hand.

Troodon
Technology Luddite
posted 12-18-2001 02:34:30 AM
*accidentally posted twice, ignore this*

[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: Troodon ]

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 12-18-2001 02:54:41 AM
quote:
Reynar had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Slam isn't a class ability, it's a race ability. If the beastlord doesnt have it, none of them do.
I know what Slam is. I was just making sure that they didn't come up with a way to restrict it to BOTH classes and races, and took advantage of it, while not affecting those who already had it.
quote:
Skaw had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Vah Shir don't get slam because of lack of Arm mass.
Vah Shir are larger than Barbarians PERIOD. Including arm mass. You don't pay attention, do you?

[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: Densetsu ]

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Zaile Ghostmaker
You've gotta remember, I'm an EverQuest character.
posted 12-18-2001 03:27:09 AM
I went there with my Wood Elf Bardess. They ain't small, that's for damned sure.

Their king is downright huge. He's also wearing hair extenders. Looks cool though, and I love a guy that can pull off long hair.

Now, as for not using a Slam attack? That's easy. Vah'Shir learn to NOT slam into things at high speed and force. This allows 'em to survive falls, but it also makes it counter-instinctive to slam into someone. Needless to say, a Vah'Shir in a mosh pit does not do well, but they're better suited to Kelethin than your average wood elf is.

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Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 12-18-2001 03:29:28 AM
Iksars are medium-large. Larger than, say, humans... But not large enough to smash/bash/crash/whatever. (Thus allowing monks, as I don't think they'll ever be a large race monk)


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