How can bumble bees defy physics and fly?
Why doesn't a duck's quack echo?
Why does a rainbow (refracted light) display in the solid color spectrum and not the light color spectrum?
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Mightion Defensor had this to say about John Romero:
Ah, but they do echo...
That's funny.
What about bumble bees and rainbows? 
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Kanid was all like:
That's funny.What about bumble bees and rainbows?
bees are aliens! and uhhh the bees created rainbows yah thats it
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Kanid stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
What about bumble bees and rainbows?
Rainbows display in the light color spectrum all right.
I've yet to see a crayon that wrote in infra-red or ultra-violet
And I'd like the see the physical principle that dictates bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly.
Not that I'm bashing mystery. Hell no. It's just that the real mysteries aren't quite so obvious and...well juvenile.
For instance, cosmologists (yes cosmologists, not cosmotologists, get your ologies straight!) estimate that the known universe is generating TWICE the gravity it should be given the total amount of matter out there, thus the theory of "dark matter".
Despite all this gravity though, the universe continues not only to expand (residual energy from the big bang flinging galaxies away from it's point of origin) but it's accelerating in it's expansion.
The solid color spectrum contains 3 primary colors: Red, Yellow and Blue
These colors are combined to form other colors, like red and yellow make orange and blue and yellow make green.
The light color spectrum contains 3 primary colors: Red, GREEN and Blue.
These colors are also combined to form other colors.
However, a rainbow (refracted light) is ordered in the SOLID color spectrum:
purple, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet.
As for bumble bees, as I understand it their wings are not strong enough to be able to carry their weight.
As for rainbows, Each raindrop acts as a teeny prism. What do prisms do to white light? Break it into the spectrum of clours that are the wavelengths of light, not colours like crayons... So ha.
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We were all impressed when Delphi wrote:
As for rainbows, Each raindrop acts as a teeny prism. What do prisms do to white light? Break it into the spectrum of clours that are the wavelengths of light, not colours like crayons... So ha.
That's my point. The rainbow is refracted light, but displays in the solid spectrum order, not the light spectrum order.
And wing speed helps a hummingbird stay afloat, but it still requires a certain weight and strength ratio.
And hummingbirds actually use lift from the wings to stay aloft. They're too heavy to just shove air down and stay up.
Bumblebees arent.
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Delphi had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
The solid spectrum order? No, its in the wavelength order. I.E. Red = long wavelengths, blue = short wavelengths. (Hence the terms INFAred and ULTRAviolet)And hummingbirds actually use lift from the wings to stay aloft. They're too heavy to just shove air down and stay up.
Bumblebees arent.
It isn't the Red and Blue that's different, it's the green and yellow.
And bumblebees have a HEAVIER weight to wing strength ratio, that's the problem.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Kanid was all like:
That's my point. The rainbow is refracted light, but displays in the solid spectrum order, not the light spectrum order.
The visible light spectrum is a subset of the electromagnetic spectrum. After infra-read radiation (heat) the next frequency is red light. Then orange and yellow, then green and blue, then indigo and purple, then the invisible EM spectrum resumes with ultraviolet radiation.
The solid color spectrum proceeds in the exact same order, except for the fact that it doesn't blend in quite the same way.
There really is no "solid color spectrum" since pigments as we know them are modeled off the visible light spectrum.
Primary colors are by definition colors which can be combined to produce any other color in the spectrum, and thus can not be broken down any further. You claim green is a primary color of the solid color spectrum, but green can be broken down into yellow and blue. [ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: Koska Kintaro ]
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Kanid had this to say about Tron:
It isn't the Red and Blue that's different, it's the green and yellow.
Color is color is color. There is no inherent difference between light color and solid color. The different comes in how those colors are pulled out of white.
Light color composition is normally an additive process (in the process that, say, your monitor uses to make color, it adds several colors together to make the final color).
Solid color composition is a subtractive process (the pigments you're using subtract from the overall color spectrum to give you the end result).
A rainbow, even though it is shown with light, is not formed through an additive color process, simply because of the way it's created. It's formed through what basically amounts to a subtractive color process because each wavelength is subtracted from the others when they're seperated apart by the prism.
This is the reason the colors aren't in the order you'd expect, because it's using a subtractive process instead of the additive process normally exploited to color with light.
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Kanid had this to say about Tron:
And bumblebees have a HEAVIER weight to wing strength ratio, that's the problem.
You might find this article interesting. The statement that "bumblebees can't fly" was made on what's today recognized as only a precursory examination of the factors involved in its flight.
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Kanid had this to say about dark elf butts:
Why doesn't a duck's quack echo?
Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment.
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Drysart thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
You might find this article interesting. The statement that "bumblebees can't fly" was made on what's today recognized as only a precursory examination of the factors involved in its flight.
Very interesting article, thanks. They have discovered a lot, but there is still a lot they don't know.
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Kanid had this to say about Cuba:
Very interesting article, thanks. They have discovered a lot, but there is still a lot they don't know.
That goes without saying. The day a scientist says "I know everything there is to know about this" is the day he is laughed at and ignored by the rest of the scientific community. Science never claims to have all the answers, only increasingly accurate statements that approximate the truth, and give us more insight into the nature of the universe.
In the beginning the Universe was created.Douglas Adams, 1952-2001
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Chalesm had this to say about Captain Planet:
That goes without saying. The day a scientist says "I know everything there is to know about this" is the day he is laughed at and ignored by the rest of the scientific community.Science never claims to have all the answers, only increasingly accurate statements that approximate the truth, and give us more insight into the nature of the universe.
What was the axiom? 'For every answer, there are a thousand questions' or something of the like. That means that the number of answers and questions that are in the future are infinite, while the ones in the past are finite.
In fact, the great Listeners on Mt. Everest have been listening for thousands of years to hear the echo of the first question. They think it has been 'Oog live!', however the actual first question was, 'How in bloody 'ell do you werk this thing?' just moments before the creation of the universe.
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Dr. Vorbis had this to say about pies:
'How in bloody 'ell do you werk this thing?'
God was British?
That explains why life seems like a bad joke.
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Dr. Vorbis had this to say about Captain Planet:
What was the axiom? 'For every answer, there are a thousand questions' or something of the like. That means that the number of answers and questions that are in the future are infinite, while the ones in the past are finite.In fact, the great Listeners on Mt. Everest have been listening for thousands of years to hear the echo of the first question. They think it has been 'Oog live!', however the actual first question was, 'How in bloody 'ell do you werk this thing?' just moments before the creation of the universe.
Sounds like a bastardization of something I read in a Terry Pratchett novel. Listening monks around the Hub of the Discworld have listened for the echo of the big bang. According to "Soul Music", some of the very best heard, just before "1...2...3" and the greatest ever heard "1..2..." before the aforementioned.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Science's approach is a systematic and methodical approach. Anything it doesn't have an answer for, it eventually gets around to explaining. Opponents of scientific thinking generally state that this is a reverse-thinking manner, and that scientists don't uncover the truth so much as make up a truth for themselves. That, of course, is idiotic seeing as how anything scientists can prove, they DO prove, often constantly (see for example airplanes flying, hydroelectric generators creating electricity, etc). So while in fact science does not have all the answers, it's always learning and always growing. It is the eternal "Why?" to things when we all think everything's been answered. And by exploring the new avenues opened by asking "why" to everything, we open the world to new abilities, both magnificent and mortifying.
Which is, in many ways, better than someone who pulls something out of their ass one day and gets a bunch of other people to believe in it so much that they go around forcing others to convert or die. Number of scientists killed over disagreements in theory is much fewer than people who have disagreements in religious or philosophical theory. Science is in many ways as universal a language as math is.
Then you have mad science, which I am intimately attached to, which largely consists of having a large vocabulary with which to describe why your latest creation just blew up.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Sounds like a bastardization of something I read in a Terry Pratchett novel. Listening monks around the Hub of the Discworld have listened for the echo of the big bang. According to "Soul Music", some of the very best heard, just before "1...2...3" and the greatest ever heard "1..2..." before the aforementioned.
Ya got me. I just needed to make it a bit bastardized version so that it fits.
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Kanid had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I didn't mean to say they would ever know it all. What I meant was they still don't have the knowledge to explain fully how a bumble bee can fly.
Actually, the impression I got from the article was that we understand the concepts of their flight, there's no big mystery or law being broken anywhere. They've made working models, showed the priciples behind the flight (the reversed stalling, etc.) Just because they don't have every equation yet doesn't mean there's some kind of deep mystery at work.
For example, you could make that same statement about anything. We don't know everything about how planes fly either (There's a lot going on on very small scales that most equations just discount as negligible), or how social behavior works, or anything else once you get to a fine enough level. There's no sort of mystery or impossibility in bumblebee flight. It's no different from anything else in science, we've got a working model of equations that approximates the actual occurence well, but not perfectly. I don't see why it would be singled out as "they still don't have the knoledge to explain fully". They have just as much knoledge there as anywhere else, and no apparently unanswerable conflicts or problems.
In the beginning the Universe was created.Douglas Adams, 1952-2001
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Razor had this to say about Cuba:
Personal opnion:
Look up
Look Down
what do you see?
the answer is nothing. it is the perception of the electrical impulses to your brain from the cones and rods in your eyes which act like solar cells
Last I checked, that is how you "see". So no, the answer's not nothing. 
