Hmm on that hand how about the White Star Vs. The Defiant.

no contest.

Good read, good site.

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Suddar Williams thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
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I share the genetics of a Teir'Dal of course my face is blue..

Give me the Enterprise D over the Defiant any day. Exploration and science with the firepower to stand up for yourself is where it's at. Anyone who gets their jollies on ships like the Defiant needs to get out of the Federation.

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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Suddar Williams was all like:
But the rest of you is white.

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He had a bad accident with flour.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I never liked the Defiant. Federation got ahold of a Romulan cloaking device at a time right when they were becoming obsolete anyway. And the ship was grossly overpowered for its spaceframe (something cited in DS9 early on...thank god Chief O'brian could fix it), plus it flew in the face of everything the Federation and Starfleet stood for (it was a warship, plain and simple. If it were green it could've been an ugly Klingon ship). Yet everyone and their grandmother thought it was a badass little piece of technology.

Give me the Enterprise D over the Defiant any day. Exploration and science with the firepower to stand up for yourself is where it's at. Anyone who gets their jollies on ships like the Defiant needs to get out of the Federation.

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Unfortunately, the Defiant was a necessary piece of machinery. Given that the Federation was nearly destroyed by one Borg Cube and the the Dominion gace the entire Alpha Quadrant a run for its money, I'd say a few-hundred Defiant-class ships are in order.

In case the Borg decide to send 2 ships their way.

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Karnaj impressed everyone with:
In case the Borg decide to send 2 ships their way.

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Do you think that the Borg are THAT clever?

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Suddar Williams had this to say about Optimus Prime:
But the rest of you is white.

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Armor. And actually it is silver. I will post the full pic later.

Enterprise: Shielding, hellaciously thick armor (narf, them tech manuals are fun reads ^_^), lots of phasers, and animatter warhead torpedoes. All fired by by computer, so just push a button and stuff dies.

White Star: No shields. Nice and fast would make it last a while, at least until Riker says 'Fire a full spread' :P

Narf.

I geek.

I have cheetos ^_^

Ok How about the Mimbari vs the Federation? Or The borgs vs. the fist ones (aka Vorlons, Shadows)?

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Suchii had this to say about pies:

Enterprise: Shielding, hellaciously thick armor (narf, them tech manuals are fun reads ^_^), lots of phasers, and animatter warhead torpedoes. All fired by by computer, so just push a button and stuff dies.

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Thats why the White Star would win.
It's an Minbari ship after all, and ALL Minbari ships have a device called 'jammer', preventing any lock ons by enemy targeting computers.
(This was one of the main reasons earth was defeated so quickly by the Minbari in the EA/Minbari war.)

So unless Worf has learned a few new tricks with the manual targeting of the E/d the Enterprise is toast.

Disclaimer: I do NOT say that Bab5 is better than ST, I like both equally.

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Well... I doubt the Enterprise would only have sensors dependent upon active sensor input, I am sure they would have some sort of visual tracking software

Narf.

But does it really matter? A McKenna class supercruiser would wax them both

"Fire the MACROSS Cannon!"

-zip

"We've destroyed 60-70% of them!"

McKenna class supercruiser ,nyah. =Þ

The Borg vs. the Vorlons

"We are the Borg."
"We are all Borg."
"Your culture will adapt to service us."
"Not for a million years."

Winner: Vorlons

The Borg vs. the Shadows

"We are the Borg."
"Have I got a deal for you."
(the following week...)
"Why not assimilate the entire Alpha Quadrant while you're at it?"
"One thing at a time, Locutus; one thing at a time."

Winner: n/a

OR

"We are the Borg."
"Have I got a deal for y-"
"NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR GALAXY!"
"Oh, okay."

Winner: the Borg

White Star vs. Enterprise

"Captain, our targeting systems are useless, and the enemy vessel is too fast to target manually!"
"Shields?"
"Shields holding. Holding. Holding. Still holding."

Winner: Draw

White Star vs. NX-01 Enterprise

"Ivanova, what the hell was that?!"
"A target, apparently."

Winner: White Star

SDF-1 vs. the Borg, the Shadows, the Vorlons, the Enterprise, the White Star, the Minbari, the Klingon Empire, the Centauri Replubic, and what the hell, Jim Carrey

On second thought, I'm not touching that one.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about pies:
Enterprise E, baybay. Smaller crew (don't bring your family...just Federation personnel, por favor), better firepower (Defiant-esque firepower), plus it's an exploration vessel.

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Read my mind.

As for shielding, don't forget the Whitestar was a hybrid ship. Constucted using Minbari and Vorlon technology. Vorlon's were millions of years ahead of anything the star trek universe had short of Q and even the younger races of B5 had, including the minbari. The ships were organic and could absorb great deals of damage and repair themselves. I believe it was stated the whitestar could repeair itself up to 80 percent of it's damage. The biggest concern was if was under mass amounts of firepower of equiv. damage, then it was a matter of the damage vs. regeneration ratio. ie...if the mass amounts of damage were being wracked up greater then the regen capability.

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Sentow had this to say about Pirotess:
White Star vs. Enterprise

"Captain, our targeting systems are useless, and the enemy vessel is too fast to target manually!"
"Shields?"
"Shields holding. Holding. Holding. Still holding."

Winner: Draw

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You forgot a line:

"Mr Data, take over fire controls. You're fast enough to hit it."

Winner: Enterprise

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Azizza impressed everyone with:
Armor. And actually it is silver. I will post the full pic later.

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Did you know your armor has no joints and a great amount of detail in the pectorial area? It must be really difficult to move in.

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Sentow had this to say about Duck Tales:
the Funney

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Now that was hilarious.

By the way, White Star. Nearly invulnerable, far more maneuverable, and adaptable to the technology being used against it.

i think the white star would win

but you KNOW the enterprise would find some way to win... they always do

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Lawgiver Cadga wrote this stupid crap:
this thread is too biased

i think the white star would win

but you KNOW the enterprise would find some way to win... they always do

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Depends on who's writing, JMS or the Deus ex Machina folks at Star Trek. Don't get me wrong, I loved Star Trek, but dang if every problem was not just solved by modifying the deflector array in new and exciting ways.

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We were all impressed when Palador ChibiDragon wrote:
You forgot a line:

"Mr Data, take over fire controls. You're fast enough to hit it."

Winner: Enterprise

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Oh jeez, I didn't even think about that!

So yeah, as long as Data was on board, the win would likely go to Enterprise.

[EDIT] Addendum for Gydyon! White Stars are tough little birds, but certainly not invulnerable. Clarke's advanced Destroyer fleet took the White Stars to task near the end of the fourth season.
And most weapons in ST tech are beam weapons, too

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Sentow thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
White Stars are tough little birds, but certainly not invulnerable. Clarke's advanced Destroyer fleet took the White Stars to task near the end of the fourth season.

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Good point. Still White Star one on one though.

This is like Stand by Me. Mighty Mouse versus Superman.