I don't know if '98 can make good use of all of it, though.
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Lalamile had this to say about Cuba:
Is it worth the money, how big of a performance increase is there?
Any RAM over 128 is minimal performance increase in 98SE. ME isn't much better, and 2k simply isn't intended as a multimedia OS.
You want good performance out of 512 (or 768, like me), it's XP or nothin 
Just hop over to Win2k Pro. =)
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Koska Kintaro had this to say about Tron:
Any RAM over 128 is minimal performance increase in 98SE. ME isn't much better, and 2k simply isn't intended as a multimedia OS.You want good performance out of 512 (or 768, like me), it's XP or nothin
Biased and total shit.
Win2k makes good use of RAM, but from experience the returns on 98 above 192mb is small.... It quits being as effective.
I've got 512 now and Win2k is micking up nicely and compared to my roommate's system at 256, EQ is doing nicer......
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Random Insanity Generator had this to say about Tron:
Biased and total shit.
You disagreed with me, then went right ahead and reiterated everything I said except for the part about Win2k being incompatible with a great many things, which is undeniably true.
Am I the only one confused by this behavior?
I'm on 98SE right now, and I'm thinking I might want to upgrade sometime soon. Is it possible to have 2K and 98 on the same system as a dual boot on different drives? I basically just need 98 for DOS. DOS is how I use my emus, and I hate the Windows based ones, so having an OS that has DOS is necessary. But I want to keep up with the times, and I'm thinking 98SE shouldn't be my main OS anymore.
So, all you Windows experts, gimme your advice please.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lyinar had this to say about Cuba:
I'm leery of XP, so could someone give me the pros and cons of 2K over 98SE?
I dunno about technical specs, but I installed 2k four times. Four. Times. That's install, realize vast array of incompatibilities, reformat, install 98SE.
Four times.
To top it off, 98 granted me better performance in all my games over 2k. Yes I had 256Mb of RAM. Yes I know 2k is supposed to handle RAM better. No, that doesn't change the fact. I had better performance in all my games in 98SE.
In short, I don't suggest it. [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Koska Kintaro ]
Did you use 'Supported Hardware' Maradon? No? And you still expect 'Trouble Free Operation'?
I installed Win2k once on my PIII 700. No issues with anything other than the NIC and that was something that was personal preference to me. I occasionally use this machine to do Work-work. Which means I have to install some software that requires promsic mode drivers for the NIC. Win2k globally disables that. Everything else works just fine, including the A3d sound card that I have that no longer has driver support.
Now as far as what you said before, If Win2k wasn't built to handle multimedia applications, why was DX 8.1 put out for it? Why is WinXP an update off that code? Why were people upgrading in flocks to 2k if things like DVD watching might be an issue?
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Random Insanity Generator had this to say about Tron:
Did you use 'Supported Hardware' Maradon? No? And you still expect 'Trouble Free Operation'?
I did use supported hardware actually.
If you have no problems with Win2k, I'm glad for you. Seriously. However your personal experience will have no sway over my personal experience.
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Random Insanity Generator had this to say about Captain Planet:
Now as far as what you said before, If Win2k wasn't built to handle multimedia applications, why was DX 8.1 put out for it?
Why wouldn't DX 8.1 be put out for it, business-oriented OS or not?
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Why is WinXP an update off that code?
If it were multimedia-friendly, why would the code need an update? WinXP = Multimedia friendly 2k
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Why were people upgrading in flocks to 2k if things like DVD watching might be an issue?
they were? Strange you should mention that though, DVD watching was one of the many issues I had with Win2k...
I have heard more bitching from you about 2k than from anyone else. In fact I've heard bitching from several people about CDROM drives needing UPGRADES to work with XP properly....
If 2k is a business oriented OS, why isn't it treated like NT? They bring NT up to the minimum needed for DX for 90% of business apps. Why does 2k need to go beyond that?
If Win95 was multimedia friendly, why put out 98? If 98 was game friendly (which by your own words it was) why put out WinME (the upgrade to 98 directly) or WinXP? Hell, if I wanted real multimedia on a professional level I'd be looking at a Mac or an Amiga.
My mother has ME and it crashes on me EVERY SINGLE TIME I use her computer. I despise ME.
So it's either stay with 98SE or go to 2K. And RIG, do you know if you can have both installed to dual boot if they're on separate drives?
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lyinar impressed everyone with:
Is it possible to have 2K and 98 on the same system as a dual boot on different drives?
Yep. In fact 2K will set up the boot menu for you.
Is 2K easy to work in? I got confused sometimes in NT, but eventually I got used to how it was. Had to become familiar with that back when I worked for 3Com. I wanna make sure I've got an OS I won't go crazy trying to figure out how to work in.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Wait.. yes, well, I think that's right.
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Lyinar had this to say about Duck Tales:
I'm liking the sound of that.Is 2K easy to work in? I got confused sometimes in NT, but eventually I got used to how it was. Had to become familiar with that back when I worked for 3Com. I wanna make sure I've got an OS I won't go crazy trying to figure out how to work in.
2K is pretty easy to use, instead of a stupid CTRL+DEL+ALT menu, it's got a dialog with shut down, log off, the uber task manager (not really called that, but it IS uber (kinda like windows sniper)), and a few more things, it downloads files MUCH faster (with my cable connection, i was downloading at up to 1000% of my normal speed), has cooler icons, it's a really good OS, but has a few issues with Hercules video cards, and SoundBlaster sound cards. i'd be using it if it worked with my Hercules Prophet 2 MX (a GeForce 2 MX card)... [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Kolak ]
...but, this is just my opinion, you may not like it as much or you may like it more.
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Lalamile wrote this stupid crap:
Whats the max RAM windows can handle, 512? I'm running Windows SE, wiht 128 of RAM, for X-mas I want to get more RAM, would getting 512 be a good idea? Or overkill?
Don't quote me on this, but I believe any home system running Win 98 or higher can use however much RAM your system has slots for. What I know for sure is my computer had no problem using 256MB when it had Windows 98. After I upgraded to XP, I later added more memory, and am now running 512MB on XP. 512MB on 98? That's a definite maybe... should work. I'd say with 90% certainty that it would.
As to whether or not it would be worth upgrading your memory, yes, definitely. Memory is dirt cheap right now anyway (unless you're on a P4 machine, that uses expensive proprietary memory); I only had to pay $30 for a 256MB stick of RAM. And 512 MB lets you get the full benefit of the SoL expansion. I say go for it.
Try to upgrade your system too. Just keep an eye open for hardware that might not be compatible with XP. Especially if you have any older cards or ISA cards. [ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Troodon ]
And I have heard of alot of game problems with 2k also that dont exist with XP.
Of course, I guess im partly a minority also, I didnt have nearly as many problems with ME as most did
Just curious Lyinar, why are ya leary of going with WinXP?
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If you own any "Home" versions, and not the Pro, give me your address. I'm going to come around and bludgeon you.
If you own anything under 98SE, you also deserve a bludgeon. Please send all addresses to my PM box. [ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Mortious Shadowstalker ]
i have a shitty puter SUE me you tone dear fucktards
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Random Insanity Generator had this to say about (_|_):
From my count, you're the minority on this.If 2k is a business oriented OS, why isn't it treated like NT? They bring NT up to the minimum needed for DX for 90% of business apps. Why does 2k need to go beyond that?
2k wasn't designed as an end-user OS. I'm unsure what you mean when you ask why it isnt treated like NT. It's the next logical upgrade from NT4. There are some differences but it is built around NT at it's core.
2k was most definatly aimed at business. Check out the difference between 2kServ and 2kPro, the difference is very minimal.
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Reynar thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
2k wasn't designed as an end-user OS. I'm unsure what you mean when you ask why it isnt treated like NT. It's the next logical upgrade from NT4. There are some differences but it is built around NT at it's core.2k was most definatly aimed at business. Check out the difference between 2kServ and 2kPro, the difference is very minimal.
Then why does Win2k receive all the same updates for games and other crap as WinXP and Win98? If it's a business class OS, why does it have anything above DX 6? I haven't seen a business app that needed anything above that.
And what games have issues on Win2k that vanish on WinXP? I'm getting reports from co-workers that upgraded to XP from 2k that are complaining about DX recognition issues with some older games (that also appear on Win2k after jumping to DX 8+) but nothing about games that start working again.... Plus, personally I never had any issues with anything but older DOS games running on the WinXP betas I had access to via work. And WinXP wouldn't handle running PM2, but 2k does.
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Random Insanity Generator had this to say about Tron:
And what games have issues on Win2k that vanish on WinXP?
System Shock 2 (won't even install. Comes up "You're running an NT system, you're fucked"), Deus Ex has problems, Half-Life has problems, most things with the Q3 engine have problems, Tachyon had some severe performance problems, and every game I played had general soupyness and performance issues.
In XP my games didn't only perform better than 2k, they performed better than they ever have on my PC. [ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Koska Kintaro ]
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Koska Kintaro wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
System Shock 2 (won't even install. Comes up "You're running an NT system, you're fucked"), Deus Ex has problems, Half-Life has problems, most things with the Q3 engine have problems, Tachyon had some severe performance problems, and every game I played had general soupyness and performance issues.In XP my games didn't only perform better than 2k, they performed better than they ever have on my PC.
Um, I run CounterStrike on my 2k system. I ran Q3 and Q3TA on my 2k system at A-Kon. I found very little difference in the performance on any of thoes. In fact, the whole ROOM at A-Kon was Win2k systems. The only ones that showed any problems were the underpowered systems that still had issues under Win98 (a particular pII 333 with 64Mb of RAM and a voodoo2 card comes to mind).
And this is still personal opinion and very subjective. I'm still waiting on something concrete. The issue with SS2 is valid. But that's something stupid from the game designer, IMHO. WinNT systems get DQ'ed because of DX version. Why bother writing a check for anything else? Waste of time and resources, IMHO. I know why they don't want it running on NT. Background processes can eat resources. However this is also detectable from a tech support angle via ONE file. Proper training of techs > bullshit code to deny OS.
And I know 2K is the business OS, guys. It's the NY upgrade, duh :P But people here and people I know IRL use it and they've got no troubles with getting around in it. And don't you DARE suggest ME. My mother has that. ME is the devil.
Btw, Kolak, is it only those video cards or all GeForce 2? I don't believe I have a Hercules, as I never saw that mentioned anywhere in the name of it. Doesn't come up under device manager either. But I do have a GeForce 2.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Check out the big brain on Lyinar!
Btw, Kolak, is it only those video cards or all GeForce 2? I don't believe I have a Hercules, as I never saw that mentioned anywhere in the name of it. Doesn't come up under device manager either. But I do have a GeForce 2.
i'm not sure if it doesn't like normal GeForce cards, but i'm sure it doesn't like my Hercules Prophet 2 MX 
there's 3 ways to find out...1) Buy Win2K or if any of your friends have a copy ask them if you can borrow it, 2) *cough*kazaa/morpheus*cough* or 3) try to find out if there's any problems with GeForce 2 cards and win2000 on microsoft.com (or a search engine)
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Kolak impressed everyone with:
i'm not sure if it doesn't like normal GeForce cards, but i'm sure it doesn't like my Hercules Prophet 2 MXthere's 3 ways to find out...1) Buy Win2K or if any of your friends have a copy ask them if you can borrow it, 2) *cough*kazaa/morpheus*cough* or 3) try to find out if there's any problems with GeForce 2 cards and win2000 on microsoft.com (or a search engine)
I have a GeForce1 card and have no issues.
I'm about to be getting some form of GeForce2 for my roommate's system (probally a MX400) and he's using 2k.
I'll let you know what I find.
As for driver issues, ive run into a couple, but they were errors on my part that i fixed
*shrug*
Either way, if ya need help, get a hold of me
And I'll be kicking his ass for it once I get home. 
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
