http://www.startrek.com/ and see the details there... omg how cool!
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Illanae had this to say about Punky Brewster:
No, it is not. Only a non-Trekker calls us "Trekkies". Get with the program.
Trekkies sounds better 
Plus I have been to Star Trek conventions and I have heard people use "Trekkie" there so 
Ah'm old skool!
Wait....
Wait a second...
I'm arguing over Star Trek! AWAWERAWERATAEKEW
Karnaj leaps out the window and plummets to his death.
At any rate, "Enterprise" is the reason Gene Roddenberry is spinning is his grave. 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Wait, why am I doing this?!
Karnaj smashes his genitals with a dictionary.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj had this to say about Cuba:
At any rate, "Enterprise" is the reason Gene Roddenberry is spinning is his grave.
Look...the...earth....has developed....a slight...eccentricity....in it's orbit....
(crossover hitchhiker's guide and captain kirk joke)
Joe Bob Captain: Hey what's up you guys, we are from the federation of happy floaty starfleet earth dudes.
Alien: Ah yes we know. But you must leave here in haste.
Joe Bob Engineer: Why?
Alien: Hwa! This is why! Zap zap!
Joe Bob Captain: We can settle things peacefully. Why are you attacking us.
Alien: You fools will not interrupt the great revolution.
Joe Bob Annoying Vulcan Woman That Was Put in the Cast at the Last Minute Just So That the Producers Can Say "We Told You So.": This is illogical.
Alien: Hwa die.
Joe Bob Captain: No!!!
Alien: ARGGH we are defeated!!!
Joe Bob Captain: Captain's log, stardate...
The end
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
hehe "BEGONE" screams a klingon at the dying entity "Rats flee a sinking ship!" or something like that
kirk, spok, scotty and 3 klingons are all laughing at it...reminds me of public schools
the tribble episode is theh suxxorz i dont see wahy everyone likes it
it not in Quebec yet!
still stuck whit Voyager damm it!
i waaanaseeetooo!!
*cry*
Y'know one thing that drives me crazy about people who don't like Star Trek? They constantly rail on its optimistic vision of the future.
Who the hell is to say that it won't turn out for the better? Why is a post-apocalyptic police state beset by acid rain and overpopulation the only vision of the future which is "likely?" Gawdamn.
I do agree that characters like Picard and Janeway stuck to diplomacy too much. But on the other hand, Picard was a diplomat, and Janeway didn't have any backup for her teeny, tiny ship. Recent entry Archer is in the same boat. Not only is the NX-01 decades behind, oh, every other race in the universe, but there's no other Starfleet ship like it.
You don't honestly expect these captains to take their ships into a fight unless it's 100% neccessary, do ya?
Still, the writers on the original series and TNG were confined by certain guidelines. For instance, the Federation could never be dragged into a war. The crew could never ultimately resolve their conflict through combat, and so forth.
Thus, the captains were sometimes forced to be diplomatic at really awkward times, when it would make more sense to fight.
Picard though... there was just no excuse for the first two seasons of Picard. Honestly. He surrendurs the ship on the very first episode, something which Kirk NEVER did in three seasons and six movies
the Original was ok
The Next Gen. was roxxors
DS9 and Voyager sucked ass
and Enterprise roxxors
=P
No woman could resist him and no alien could defeat him. Just don't knock off his hair.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Caanis Lupus was all like:
Shirtless Kirk > AllNo woman could resist him and no alien could defeat him. Just don't knock off his hair.
ROFLMAO!
I liked how his stuntman looked nothing like him.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
As far as the shows go:
I'm too young for the original series.
I <3 TNG.
I <3 DS9.
I hated Voyager. Good at first but got played out.
I haven't watched Enterprise. I don't want to end up going through another break down a la DS9 when it gets canceled. 
trekkers is the in orginal therefore it should be Trekkies uniteA lot of fellow fans disliked Janeway. Their gripe was that she acted like Picard in a situation where not even Picard would act like Picard.
Here's the Voyager, all alone, hundreds of light years from Federation territory. The ship and crew are stranded in a potentially hostile environment where the Federation ideals and the Prime Directive are unknown... and Janeway sticks to the regulations.
This is understandably frustrating for fans looking for something fresh.
But I always saw Janeway as the Don Quixote of the Delta Quadrant, nobly (sp?) holding up the ideals of the Federation even when they were detrimental to the situation. She was adamant, virtuous, altruistic, all at times when she really shouldn't have been; knightly qualities if I've ever seen them. Jane of Arc, maybe?
Still, she really did struggle with the decisions between personal benefit and Federation ideals. But when she chose the latter, it always worked out.
I think if Janeway's better judgement had proven faulty at least once, the show may have benefited. When she attempted a treaty with the Kazon, going against her intuition, it went sour. Cutting a deal with the Borg in their rout from Species 8472 (God, I'm such a geek) was a disaster.
Ultimately, having Janeway's stubborn holdout for the Federation sometimes fail would have been much more dramatic - and interesting.
Another random thought!
Voyager is, so far, the only ST spinoff which has gone in reverse. While TNG and DS9 started out on shaky ground, they evolved into dynamite, must-see series.
But Voyager began as a promising new Trek, ultimately falling prey to slipshod writing when the Borg made their first appearance.
That's why I'm a little concerned with Enterprise. So far, it's fantastic. But I'm worried that it'll run out of steam in the second or third season.
There's already room for improvement. The "humanity stumbling through the galaxy" schtick is getting a little old. I'd like to see more confidence in Archer during a first contact situation; god knows he'll have plenty of practice.
Furthermore, eagle-eyed fans have noted a similarity between Enterprise's format, and that of the original series. Although there is a large command staff, only three of the characters are ever highlighted.
Personally, I dislike this practice, and I'd like to see it stopped
Whoa... tangent.
Enterprise has obviously learned from Voyager's mistakes, and it's proving itself as the show Voyager should have been. But the writers are still on eggshells as they develop their new milieu; you can still make a mistake even knowing what the mistake is.
I'm done now.
[RADICAL EDIT] Small is not I! I is not small! Small, small, small, small! Oooo, something good for Edit? [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Sentow ]
The most prevalent example:
I love how first contact with the Klingons was established repeatedly throughout all 4 series to be 2218, and then Braga and Berman say, "OH NO WE WATN the KILGONS ON ERTH BFRO TAHT!!!!11 NOW LETZ MAEK PEWPIEZ ON the MONEY WE GETZ!!!! LOL"
That's why I stopped watching after the premiere. As far as I'm concerned, Enterprise is fanfic.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
I got sick of the enlightened liberal humans, not that a Utopian Earth wouldn't be a good thing, but still it's nice to see a contemporary crew doing things I can relate too. Humans in all it's wonderful flaws. Thing to remember is this is PRE-trek. I hope the series doesn't just stay pre-federation, I hope as the season go on, they start showing the foundations of the Federation. That we will get to see it evolve and form before our eyes.
As for Star Trek canon, hell the main under theme for the show will be the "temporal cold war" stemming from the 29th century...which the 29th century was elded to in Voyager in it's time travels stories. So really, if time is being mucked around with, yeah...the timeline of canon could be changed.
One man with courage makes a majority.
). That smacked of fanservice.The tech levels were the major aesthetic license. Brannon and Braga thought it silly to use push-button, lever-pulling tech for the future, when we have stuff much more advanced in the real world. It just didn't square.
But, they did try to keep the general look of things similar. For example, the scope at the science station, Hoshi's commpiece, the pistol-shaped phasers, et al.
Of course, so far, those are the only major licenses they've taken*
In regard to the new song...
I like it. The series is intended to have a, well, down-to-earth, closer-to-home feeling. While the previous spinoffs focused on the grand majesty of space, Enterprise is a more personal, human story, one of trailblazing into the final frontier. The song is very fitting.
I have a feeling that series will end with the foundation of the Federation. Or, the first look at a Constitution class ship (that's the same class as the original Enterprise, for those who aren't as big geeks as myself ).
So my current major gripe is... much as I enjoyed watching Jolene Blalock get three-quarters naked and rub lotion all over herself, could the fanservice have been a little more obvious?
* You could argue that the NX-01's very existence goes against canon; in the TNG episode "Relics," the 1701-D's computer states that there have been five Federation starships by the name of Enterprise.
However!
NX-01 can't possibly be a Federation starship, because there is no Federation yet. Therefore, no Federation registries.
It's a little thin, but, it holds up.
[EDIT] Had two more thoughts.
First, the "new" date for Klingon first contact is because of the cold war. The Klingon only crashed on Earth because of Suliban, remember? And what are the Suliban doing right now...?
On an unrelated note, the decontamination scene in "Broken Bow" is thus far the only Blalock fanservice we've been exposed to. The rumours of Enterprise as softcore porn are greatly exaggerated. [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Sentow ]
Damn it all to hell!
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Constitution class vessels were first developed in the 2230s, well beyond the scope of Enterprise. Unless we wanna see bababababababBakula when he's 140.
Where the hell do you hear all this stuff?!
Anyway, with the Constitution class out of the question, I bet the series will end with a declaration of a certain interplanetary government.
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Sentow had this to say about Tron:
Where the hell do you hear all this stuff?!
ST Encyclopedia was my Bible until 3 years ago. I have a massive knowledge base as a result, even after all this time.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Tarquinn had this to say about pies:
Can someone explain me why the "Enterprise" is looking like an Akira?
(leery of replying to a man attending a pancake feed, but, fortune favours the bold...)
In Trek cannon, there have traditionally been two major theories on starship design.
The classic theory follows the Constitution design; saucer section attached to a "star drive" through a "neck" piece. The nacelles are attached to the star drive. Classic examples of this design are the Constitution, Excelsior, and Galaxy class vessels.
The minmalist theory first appeard in Star Trek II, by way of the Reliant. This concept abandons the star drive, instead fitting the saucer with a simple frame which holds the nacelles. Classic examples of this design are the Miranda, Akira, and Nebula class vessels.
Being an early, experimental ship, NX-01 follows the minimalist approach
There are of course deviations. The Oberth class (from Star Trek III) follows a bizarre variation of the classic design. The saucer is fit between the nacelles, which are far above and to the fore of the stardrive. The briefly glimpsed Jenolen (from "Relics"), little more than a garbage scow, discards the saucer section, simply attaching the nacelles to the side of a small, boxy star drive.
It's nice to have a thread where I know what I'm talking about
[EDIT] Couldn't help but mention the relatively new Intrepid class, the first instance where the saucer section and star drive have been "fused" into a single, streamlined... shape.
Also, I wanted to acknowledge what Karnaj said [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Sentow ]
Someone who knows a lot about ST tech and canon...I thought I was the last one.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Check out the big brain on Tarquinn!
Of course you could say its just a re-use of one of the cooler looking ST models ...
Well I could, but then I wouldn't get to hear the sound of my melodious... text?
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Sentow had this to say about Robocop:
Couldn't help but mention the relatively new Intrepid class, the first instance where the saucer section and star drive have been "fused" into a single, streamlined... shape.
The Sovereign class (Enterprise -E in the movies) also follows this design philosophy...
And it's Trekkies...
*is old enough to remember they used to have a Star Trek ice-cream cone here in Australia, sold in boxes and came with 2 free stickers of pictures of the cast of the Original series*
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Karnaj impressed everyone with:
Tee hee.Someone who knows a lot about ST tech and canon...I thought I was the last one.
*admits to having both released versions of the ST Tech Manual... TNG and DS9... and also of participating in a IRC-based Star Trek RPG*
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Sentow had this to say about John Romero:
[QBY'know one thing that drives me crazy about people who don't like Star Trek? They constantly rail on its optimistic vision of the future.
Who the hell is to say that it won't turn out for the better? Why is a post-apocalyptic police state beset by acid rain and overpopulation the only vision of the future which is "likely?" Gawdamn.
[/QB]
cause it sells :P
noone wants pretty things on TV unless they are wierd
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AbbigailSD had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
*admits to having both released versions of the ST Tech Manual... TNG and DS9... and also of participating in a IRC-based Star Trek RPG*
Bah, that's nothing. I had all the encyclopediae, Omnipediae (for the computer), both tech manuals, the official ST Chronology guide, and I RAN an IRC Star Trek RPG.
UCIP sucks, BTW. Even though it's the oldest existing sim group.
EDIT: Forgot something [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Karnaj ]
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
