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Originally posted by Keophex:
As you may have read in one of my earlier posts, our navy seals are doing some saboutage. After that we will be bombing the shit out of them. I hope every last one of those bastards burns in agony.
I've said this already but I will gladly say it again:
The attitudes of some people in some parts of palistine is not a reason to attack the entire place. That's not justice, it's murder as bad as the terrorists commited.
Kill 'em all
Let Allah sort 'em out
This made me really angry. Ignorance and hate are a bad combination. People like the said driver of the car are just making things worse.
"Our Navy Seals" aren't doing any bombing in Kabul, Afghanistan. That conflict is the age old Northern Alliance fighting the Taliban. They're old enemies and just yesterday the Taliban injured / killed the NA's leader. So this attack is retaliation.
It's already been confirmed in the news that the US is not involved with it.
While new evidence is being investigated about who did plan this terrorist attack against the WTC and Pentagon, the US has taken no official action.
Osama Bin Ladin is at the top of our list due to an intercepted private communication where people affiliated with Bin Ladin stated that they "hit two targets" today. [ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: Wyndrunner ]
They were innocent. And now they're dead.
We have every right to be mad right now.
By the way, Geeorn just tells us that the resulting damage has cost many Firefighters their lives too.
Whatever the point, let's not argue tonight. For once, let EverCrest be united.
You go off kill 1 - 50000 people over there on a guess and you're wrong you're just as bad as the terrorists
Ya know that footage of the cheering civilians? That was in JERUSALEM!!! If we nuke Jerusalem, we'd be hitting our ALLIES!!
Not only that, we'd be destroying ancient property. Holy land.
Calm the hell down, damnit.
I trust the U.S. government.
I don't care how angry you are, I'm really hoping you don't seriously support sending missiles in the Middle East while guestimating the location of terrorists.
"Bomb the people celebrating in the streets."
First off, we're allowed to bomb them because of their opinions? I'm sure there are a lot of NeoNazis that are pretty damn happy about the Holocaust, but they aren't executed for it. Second of all, even if we did bomb them, there are countless people NOT involved in the "celebrating" that we would hit.
There are so many reasons that "bombing the terrorists" isn't a viable option, and won't happen, regardless of how angry you are.
- George Dubya
for the first time since i've heard of the cretin i actually feel a pulse of respect for the man
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Originally posted by Geeorn:
"We shall make no distinction between those who harbour Terrorists and the Terrorists themselves."- George Dubya
for the first time since i've heard of the cretin i actually feel a pulse of respect for the man
If he intends to follow through on that, it's likely we'll be removed from the United Nations and have embargos placed on us by certain countries (We need that oil, remember?).
Hell, with actions like that, we might even lose NATOs backing....
Killing civilians in the name of being Patriotic is the same as Terrorism. It is just the point of view that differs
You want to get revenge? Fine. Go do it. Hell, strap 500 sticks of TNT and charge in yourself. Just kill the people who are responsible for the deaths. Killing civilans who had nothing to do with the attack on the WTC - no matter how much they cheer - in the name of revenge makes those who kill them no better then the terrorist who flew the planes into the buildings.
Ask yourself: If we were to go nuke [insert the group of people you think are responsible] to hell and back in the name of revenge, what would your reaction be? Would you be cheer or celebrating?
and to tell the truth, anyone who is harbouring the Terrorists, giving them money, support, and hiding them after the fact, is a Terrorist just like the ones that hyjacked those planes today [ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: Geeorn ]
quote:Exactly, and I couldn't stress this enough at kraptastica boards.
Originally posted by Tarquinn:
I've said this already but I will gladly say it again:The attitudes of some people in some parts of palistine is not a reason to attack the entire place. That's not justice, it's murder as bad as the terrorists commited.
Holding governments who knowingly harbor terrorists responsible is not a threat to bomb civilians. Hell, the principle is written into our penal codes: harboring a fugitive is punishable as accessory to the crime committed.
We should punish those who harbor terrorists. There is no moral difference between committing a crime, and aiding someone whom you know is going to commit a crime.
That is what the President was talking about. It is not only legal to punish a government who harbors such terrorists, but an important message that should have been delivered long ago. Nor is it without precedent. We have struct both Libya and Afghanistan before, using exactly the same principle. Only this time, we've chosen not to limit ourselves to the terrorists' facilities.
But nowhere has anyone implied that civilians will be targeted. Please, relax and think this through before getting hysterical.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Originally posted by Bloodsage:
Calm down, folks, geez. No one has suggested killing civilians in retaliation for today's attacks.
Nobody official, in the government, has said this, but several people who post at this boards have been saying that it would okay, since "they" killed several US Civilians...
I think this is what is being referred to, and I know thats what was in my post.
No harm, no foul. Being utterly outraged is understandable.
Just forgive the ignorance underlying the actions, and understand that people deal with massive grief differently. It's only evil when it turns into action.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Originally posted by Lashanna:
Nobody official, in the government, has said this, but several people who post at this boards have been saying that it would okay, since "they" killed several US Civilians...I think this is what is being referred to, and I know thats what was in my post.
Targeting civilians is not likely, but it will happen innocents will be lost, and although I am sorry for that. I cannot stand by and condone what happened to day as an excuse to get them off the hook. As I said in the other thread what do you suggest we do if you feel so deeply for this nation? I never said bomb, and I don't want nuclear war. But I want blood, I want the blood of those responcible, and the blood of teh government that harbors them. Going to war doesn't mean the "bomb" but some innocent life will be lost, and those that are won't make up for our loss today. Because as the US Armed forces march, whenever the know who to march on. I have no doubt they will take whatever steps nessessary to lessen the loss of innocent life. Will ALL innocents be spared? Unfortunately no. That is a shame, but a nessesesary one. The big difference is we will at least TRY to lessen it, as aposed to today where the sheer intent was to do exactly that. To terrorize, and kill whomeever possible. Everysingle plane today was a passenger flight, WITH innocent passengers on a comute or a vacation. No, they will not get off scott free, and if some innocence must be lost, so be it. It will not equal what we have lost today. And again, at least we'll try to spare the innocent.
Tell me what we should do Lash, you give me the ansewer. Tell me we shouldn't go to war, tell me we should accept what happened today and just move on. Tell me my daughter will have to grow up knowing today she could have lost her life locked in that bomb shelter at her school. Tell her that she is perfectly safe in her contry. You tell my family and my loved ones if we just move on, it will all be okay.
To do nothing at all would condone and accept this behavior and allow it to happen again, maybe bigger next time. How would you feel if they had a nuclear weapon and detonated it in a city, ANY city, in the U.S.? They didn't this time, but next time...who knows.
Should we arbitrarily kill civilians in retaliation? No.
Should we do everything in our power to find out the REAL culprits? Yes
Should we retaliate against the real culprits, INCLUDING those who harbor these fugitives? Yes
Were their actions an act of war? Yes
Are their innocents in war? No.
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Originally posted by Lashanna:
Hell, with actions like that, we might even lose NATOs backing....
Most all of the NATO countries are behind us on this one... it was an attack on the U.S., which by NATO, is an attack on them all, and none of them want to support terrorists because they never know if their country is next on the list. Heck, even countries that we usually have chilled relations with are behind us on this one.
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Originally posted by Lashanna:
If he intends to follow through on that, it's likely we'll be removed from the United Nations and have embargos placed on us by certain countries (We need that oil, remember?).Hell, with actions like that, we might even lose NATOs backing....
The United Nations have begun to pull all of their personal out of Afghanastan already, heh.
And all 19 NATO countries are in the process putting together an official document giving the US full military support with whatever actions the Government deems neccesary to deal with the people who did this.
