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Topic: Omigosh, this is scary..
Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 09-11-2001 01:06:00 PM
I live in Virginia. I'm 5 hours away from DC. And... I have about 4 bases around me. If people so much as twitch, everything's gonna go haywire.

So many people in my school have relatives dead in the world trade center.. its scary. I'm serious.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 09-11-2001 01:38:00 PM
OK, let's settle down, before everyone starts panicking.

WORLD WAR 3 WILL NOT HAPPEN.

The reasons for this are as follows:

World War 3 is the name that we use for the last war that we will ever fight; that is to say, the war in which the world deploys its nuclear arsenal. I can say with certainty right now that THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.

In all likelihood, we are dealing with a large terrorist organization. However, when I say large, it's still very small compared to the standing military power of the United States. When we find out which of the terrorist organizations did this (and we will, don't worry), we will fight them and them alone using conventional weapons. It will probably be like desert storm. Very brief, very decisive, and very bloody for the other side.

Our allies (and we have a lot!) will agree with our course. Once the enemy is punished, we will have to move on with our lives. But WWIII wil NOT happen.

Please, do not worry over this. There may be a war, but it will be brief. And we will be victorious.

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Reyolen
Wanders too much for a custom title
posted 09-11-2001 01:42:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Karnaj:
[QB]

World War 3 is the name that we use for the last war that we will ever fight; that is to say, the war in which the world deploys its nuclear arsenal. I can say with certainty right now that THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN!

QB]


Where did you get this definition? I figure the 3rd world war is the war in which the world is split again, so this could easily be it.
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 09-11-2001 01:42:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Karnaj:
It will probably be like desert storm. Very brief, very decisive, and very bloody for the other side.

Our allies (and we have a lot!) will agree with our course.


Yep, let's just hope you don't shoot at our tanks like last time

Suddar Williams
SUDAR WILAMS
posted 09-11-2001 01:45:00 PM
I'm not so sure.

This is big.

Other people hate the US. They may strike while we're weak.

They may assist whoever we attack.

It may not be nuclear, but it might become wourldwide.

Faldrick
All about the members
posted 09-11-2001 01:45:00 PM
War could probably only happen for one of two reasons, both of which probably arn't true.


Either A. The country's government supported this terrorist group

or B. They give the terrorist group saftey in thier country and won't let us put them on trial or whatnot.

and we may not even go to war for either one of those.

Like Kar said, it will be very quick once we find out who it was.

and it may not be long, seeing how that lady was able to place a call off the jet, she may of told her husband who it was.

Kekvit Irae
Pancake
posted 09-11-2001 01:46:00 PM
To quote Operation Flashpoint:
"I know not what weapons World War III will be faught with, but World War IV will be faught with sticks and stones."
I forget the original person who quoted that, so I took it from the game itself. It speaks so true.
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 09-11-2001 01:47:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Kekvit Irae:
To quote Operation Flashpoint:
"I know not what weapons World War III will be faught with, but World War IV will be faught with sticks and stones."
I forget the original person who quoted that, so I took it from the game itself. It speaks so true.


Albert Einstein said that. And by that, we can deduce that this will not be World War 3.

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Hireko
Kill a fish before breakfast each day
posted 09-11-2001 01:49:00 PM
I believe you all underestimate the power of American bloodlust. Especially here near NYC or near DC, everyone has been personally hit by this.

The goverment will need to destroy a scapegoat. Read the threads on this message board, Sullon Zek Tavern, anywhere - people everywhere are clamoring to soldier in a war against anyone who so much as looks at us funny.

On thing is for sure - Israel can eat Palestine for lunch now, and no one in the world will cry foul. We'll send 'em candy instead.

Those who dance are thought insane by those who can't hear the music.
Willias
Pancake
posted 09-11-2001 01:50:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Karnaj:

Albert Einstein said that. And by that, we can deduce that this will not be World War 3.

He said that he didn't know what people were going to fight with in WW3 so I would guess that maybe people are going to fight with airplanes...

Wyndrunner
Pancake
posted 09-11-2001 02:06:00 PM
"World War III" is a bit of an exagerrated description of this ...

World Wars are generally fought between large nations, for one, and as mentioned before, usually resulting in world-changing results.

Right now, this has the potential to be in the "Gulf War" scale -- that is to say, stopping a madman / organization from threating the US and/or other countries. This is assuming that when we find out who orchestrated this attack is entrenched somewhere (as opposed to on the run now). If they are in a singular location, I have no doubt the US and it's allies will invade to end the threat.

Purely speculation: for this situation to escalate to World War III, a few things will have to take place first I think ...

One, there will have to be a continuing formidable threat and/or attack against the US. That is to say, an attack from a formidable enemy. Afghanistan alone is hardly a threat. Unless countries in the Middle East band together versus the US, then it could be something. And as far as a formidable attack, I would assume a missile attack would suffice as a clear act of war.

Other than the above taking place, this will remain a terrorist attack by a terrorist group / organization.

Now, how the US reacts is a large factor as well. Ideally (in my opinion), once they find the guilty party(ies), the US would proceed to eliminate the threat once and for all (ie. the assassination and/or capture of the leader and dissolving the organization). If the said organization is taking refuge in a country (ie. Afghanistan), then we'll just have to invade and secure it. After all, if the example country does not aid us in apprehending the terrorist organization, then they are essentially guilty of aiding them.

That's how wars are fought.

We (the US) should be taking notes on how Israel deals with terrorism ....

[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: Wyndrunner ]

Lyrre Wyndrunner
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Wyndrunner Art
Star Collective
Pancake
posted 09-11-2001 02:53:00 PM
One thing's for sure, after this someone will be hurting. Its absolutely horrifyting that someone would contemplate this much less do it.
The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. - Ursula K. LeGuin ~ The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 09-11-2001 04:42:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mortious Shadowstalker:
Yep, let's just hope you don't shoot at our tanks like last time

Let's hope we don't shoot at our OWN tanks like last time.

Now then. Let's break this down. Someone was looking to rouse us. Someone was looking to escalate things. Given that there's no one, or was no-one (haven't seen the news in a while) claiming responsibility you can deduce one of several things.

1. It's some Muslim nutcase group. That's the obvious choice. We've been the great western satan since before I was born. Would they really do this? Yeah. They want an escalation. These are fanatics who've been hardened by decades of war. So you take out an Islamic fundamentalist group. So? They're more than willing to die for their cause. The potential nastiness is that if you piss on one, the others will get angry. Then you have oil shortages and all kinds of shit. And if they get into the actual fight, well, that's it. All out war.

2. Israel. What do they have to gain? Well...anyone itching for some justice? Who ya wanna hit? Oh...you wanna hit Israel's traditional enemies? I thought so. Arabs. Who don't like Israel. Who've been pissing off the Israelis for who knows how long. Do I think this is wholly likely? No. Do I want to raise terror over people of Semitic descent? With a last name like "Zimmerman" even though I'm not of Jewish descent, no. I don't think I'd be stoking the flames of that fire. But you have to consider all the possibilities.

What I'm saying is that we're going to have to pick and choose our allies closely. Personally I think we shouldn't trust anyone in the middle east right now. Even allied governments over there tonight can't vouch for all their people. Stepping down might step us right into a basket of asps. But we need to operate. We need to find out what's going on, and who did it, then apply pressure. Do it by the numbers.

Will this be World War 3? No. Unless the Arab nations make the mistake of siding militarily with the terrorists, we won't see a split. We are the superpower still at full strength. If they pissed us off we could send them all back to the stone age, oil or no oil. I'd be much more concerned, if I were them tonight, that this terrorist attack has once again roused the sleeping dragon. We only dabbled our claws in their business before. We're awake now.

Will this be grounds for a recession? Those WERE the World Trade Centers after all. No. There are records elsewhere for everything there. Thank goodness for the Information Age. Thank goodness for the Internet. If anything, and this is...the most chilling possibility, while also the most unlikely...Nations come out of wars with an economy buzzing. The past few months we've been struggling at the edge of recession. *shrugs* I don't think they'd do this for that reason...but I also don't think this will lead to recession.

Don't panic folks. This isn't the end. This will get better. Life will go on. We just have to get through this. Gather your wits. Be strong.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 09-11-2001 04:49:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:

Don't panic folks. This isn't the end. This will get better. Life will go on. We just have to get through this. Gather your wits. Be strong.

Exactly.

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

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