Ja`Deth being his enforcer self said this as I join the channel(me being Mr.Clean)
[02:10] * Pesco sighs, "I give up... I tried to explain something and got ignored... Everyone is different... 4LIVE WITH IT!"
This is telling me that everyone is being a stubborn as usual, cept Pesco is trying to me mediator
[02:11] <Lyinar> That's what i don't agree with. People stating their way is the *only* way, there is no other way to see it
[02:12] <Lyinar> I'm not going to see it how Dem sees it, but I don't tell him my way of thinking is the only way
Ya, you never do that
[02:14] <Delidgamond> Drysart : "You brought up mod business in a public, you broke the rules therefore you are stripped of your status" Lyinar : "It wasn't an 'official' channel, therefore it shouldn't count" <---still in public. Who can't see the others reasoning again?
My point
[02:14] <Pesco> Oh hell... Deli just opened a can o' worms there
[02:15] <Pesco> RUN DELI! RUN MAN!!!
[02:15] <Ja`Deth> Pesco knock it off
Ja`Deth being the enforcer as usual
[02:17] <Lyinar> I wouldn't fight with someone that's just misinformed
[02:18] <Delidgamond> Another, pop shot at Delidgamond
NEWS FLASH! EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WENT ON AT THAT TIME. THAT WAS BASICALLY YOUR COUNTER-POINT THROUGH THE WHOLE GOD DAMN ARGUEMENT
[02:19] <Lyinar> I'm saying I'm not going to bicker over something you thought was right, when it really wasn't, just tell you what it should have been
I think I can just leave that as is
The above was from Sorcery.net the next part is from irc.evercrest.net,
[02:14] <Delidgamond> ARGUEMENT GOING ON IN THE OTHER CHANNEL!
[02:14] <Drysart> eh?
[02:15] <Delidgamond> Lyinar and Demitri aruged about something (wasn't there) and Dem left because of frustration. Now Lyinar is trying to explain that Demitri isn't seeing her side of the arguement and that he is ONLY seeing his side
[02:16] <Drysart> heh
[02:16] <Drysart> So she's being Lyinar, in other words? =P
[02:16] <Delidgamond> yes
[02:16] <Delidgamond> [02:14] <Delidgamond> Drysart : "You brought up mod business in a public, you broke the rules therefore you are stripped of your status" Lyinar : "It wasn't an 'official' channel, therefore it shouldn't count" <---still in public. Who can't see the others reasoning again?
[02:16] <Delidgamond> she started bitching about me now 
[
[02:16] * Drysart cackles
[02:17] <Delidgamond> give her mod status for 1 day, then take it away again!
[02:18] <Darrok> We all have the potential to be serious cocks.
[02:19] <Darrok> Some of us are just more pushed to use that potential more often.
[02:19] <Delidgamond> Arguement threads rule...you can post something with the very hint on a touchy sunject...and the whole thing can turn into one giant debate about some stupid thing
[02:20] <Delidgamond> I like my corn canned!
[02:20] <Delidgamond> STFU you IDIOT!
[02:21] <Delidgamond> Corn on a cob is better for you!
[02:21] <Darrok> Everyone here takes everything as a personal insult, is the problem.
[02:21] <Darrok> What pisses me off, is when people usually tell people to knock off the personal insults, they'll actually slip one at the offender.
[02:22] *** Ja`Deth has joined #Evercrest
[02:22] <Delidgamond> a spy!
[02:22] <Ja`Deth> funny
[02:22] * Drysart laughs
[02:22] <Ja`Deth> given what I've seen of you.
[02:23] <Delidgamond>
[02:23] <Delidgamond> I'm an informer for both parties
[02:23] <Ja`Deth> <Delidgamond> [02:14] <Delidgamond> Drysart : "You brought up mod business in a public, you broke the rules therefore you are stripped of your status" Lyinar : "It wasn't an 'official' channel, therefore it shouldn't count" <---still in public. Who can't see the others reasoning again?
[02:23] <Ja`Deth> <Delidgamond> she started bitching about me now [
[02:23] <Delidgamond> yes
[02:23] <Delidgamond> she was
[02:23] <Ja`Deth> <Delidgamond> give her mod status for 1 day, then take it away again!
[02:23] <Delidgamond> ya
[02:23] <Delidgamond> it would be funny!
[02:24] <Ja`Deth> You're unwelcome in sorcery.net #Evercrest, troll.
Ja`Deth being the enforcer as usual
TO SORCERY *old batmin TV screen whirl*
[02:21] * Lyinar watches Delid
[02:21] * Delidgamond watches Lyinar
[02:22] <Delidgamond> and hit TAB once you tybe Deli
[02:22] <Lyinar> Have you suddenly become a playback machine?
[02:22] <Delidgamond> I don't know, have I?
[02:23] <Lyinar> I don't know. It's certainly not me reporting back to the other channel what's happening here
[02:23] <Lyinar> Is there a reason you think Drysart needs to know what we're debating in here?
[02:24] <Lyinar> And a reason to warp what was being said?
I warped what you said?
[02:24] *** Ja`Deth sets mode: +b *!*@111991ef.home.5659fae7.net.hmsk
Me
[02:24] <Khyron> Who is Deth banning?
[02:24] *** You were kicked by Ja`Deth (Trolls Unwelcome)
[02:24] *** Attempting to rejoin...
Session Close: Fri Aug 10 02:24:31 2001
Ja`Deth being the enforcer as usual
So yes I am banned from Sorcery. The question is, how should I play this out? I guess I can use the 'Lyinar' arguement. "This wasn't your channel, you can't use anything I said in here against me!". Or I could use how Ja`Deth abused his mod status by his personal feelings towards Lyinar. Nah, I think I will just leave it as is.
EDIT : missed a / in a [/b] [ 08-09-2001: Message edited by: Delidgamond ]
ahem
irc.evercrest.com:6667 ... now with social consciousness in every PING! PONG?
* Delidgamond cracks his fingers
<Khyron> Okay, there's one good reason that I am not Demitri.
<Khyron> Because I am a feline, and I have an intense dislike for canines.
<Pesco> That and you dont have a high level enchanter?
<Khyron> That too.
<Mortious> Feline meat tastes nice
* Khyron coughs. "I'm not touching that one, Mort."
<Faelynn> watch it bucket boy
<Faelynn> =P
* Waisztarroz transforms Mort into a kitty
<Mortious> They'd eat your balls in Tibet
<Mortious> What? They would
* Waisztarroz cuts part of Mort off
* Waisztarroz transforms him back
* Waisztarroz feeds the part of Mort to....Mort.
<Khyron> Mort : Yeah. Aphrodisiacs. They know just how studly we tigers are.
<Delidgamond> Drysart : "You brought up mod business in a public, you broke the rules therefore you are stripped of your status" Lyinar : "It wasn't an 'official' channel, therefore it shouldn't count" <---still in public. Who can't see the others reasoning again?
* Mortious eats himself
<Mortious> Yes, Khy, I know
<Mortious> Perhaps too studly
<Lyinar> Um, Deli, that wasn't what I said
<Pesco> Oh hell... Deli just opened a can o' worms there
* Mortious gives Khy a "I know something about you, that you think I don't know" look
<Pesco> RUN DELI! RUN MAN!!!
<Ja`Deth> Pesco knock it off
<Lyinar> I said IRC has nothing to do with the boards, another message board doesn't, what's said in real life or e-mail or IMs or whatever other form of communication you can have...does not involve the boards And that it was wrong for him to involve int eh boards
<Ja`Deth> Delid don't troll
* Khyron gives Mort a "I know something about you, that could be dangerous in the wrong hands, but since I'm nice, I won't use it against you" look
<Lyinar> So please do not warp my words
<Pesco> knock what off? I am just saying what pops in my head.. not hurting anyone
* Khyron whistles innocently.
* Ja`Deth will keep that in mind
<Pesco> There was a potential fight brewing off that and you know that
<Kloie> cluck cluck dammit
*** Darrok has joined #evercrest
<Kloie> I am the blueberry girl
<Darrok> 'Allo
<Ja`Deth> yeah and cracking jokes may have been interpreted as support.
* Lyinar shrugs
<Waisztarroz> I am the kind of Oompa Loompas
<Ja`Deth> "That's funny...keep it up"
* Azymyth rolls Kloie around the room
<Lyinar> No fight, I just correct Deli
<Waisztarroz> We even warned you
<Lyinar> corrected too
Meanwhile on irc.evercrest.com's #Evercrest channel...
<Delidgamond> ARGUEMENT GOING ON IN THE OTHER CHANNEL!
<Drysart> eh?
<Otkureallyafk> Arguments make this place a sadf place
* Otkureallyafk lied, so I'm not really afk... but I'm really going afk now
<Delidgamond> Lyinar and Demitri aruged about something (wasn't there) and Dem left because of frustration. Now Lyinar is trying to explain that Demitri isn't seeing her side of the arguement and that he is ONLY seeing his side
<Drysart> heh
<Drysart> So she's being Lyinar, in other words? =P
<Delidgamond> yes
<Delidgamond> [02:14]
<Delidgamond> Drysart : "You brought up mod business in a public, you broke the rules therefore you are stripped of your status" Lyinar : "It wasn't an 'official' channel, therefore it shouldn't count" <---still in public. Who can't see the others reasoning again?
<Delidgamond> she started bitching about me now [
* Drysart cackles
<Delidgamond> give her mod status for 1 day, then take it away again!
<Drysart> heh
My response in #Evercrest (on Sorcery.net) [ 08-09-2001: Message edited by: Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael ]
*** Ja`Deth sets mode: +b *!*@111991ef.home.5659fae7.net.hmsk
* Timer 1 activated
<Khyron> Who is Deth banning?
* Timer 1 halted
*** Delidgamond was kicked by Ja`Deth (Trolls Unwelcome)
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
Kenn agrees with me that the channel should be an open forum, and people should be free and feel safe in saying what they feel. You violated that safety, and their comfort, so I agree with Deth banning you. I did not tell him to do it, I was not thinking of doing it myself, but now that it's done, I throw my support behind it 100%.
And you did warp what I said. I said what you express in an avenue besides the forums should not have any bearing on your status there. There was nothing about it being the 'official' room or not. So please, quote me correctly next time.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Sure sounds suspiciously like something declared as "censorship" and "abusing power" in the past to me, hmm?
I'll remember that. Call this 'p1'
Kenn agrees with me that the channel should be an open forum, and people should be free and feel safe in saying what they feel.
So do I
You violated that safety, and their comfort, so I agree with Deth banning you.
What safty, In sorcery, I used what you said, to what you did in the past
I did not tell him to do it, I was not thinking of doing it myself, but now that it's done, I throw my support behind it 100%.
This I beleive you in
And you did warp what I said. I said what you express in an avenue besides the forums should not have any bearing on your status there. There was nothing about it being the 'official' room or not.
You just counter-acted your own point, see p1.
Delidgamond claps for Lyinar
EDIT : missed another / in [/b] [ 08-10-2001: Message edited by: Delidgamond ]
Not to start a really big fight here, but something just dawned on me and I find it somewhat distrubing. I am just pointing this out mind you, because it is a potential flaw in how all of this was handled, hence effecting the validity of it all.
So basically.... Deth banned Deli for getting info "leaked" to Drysart about Sorcery... yet Deth got info "leaked" to him about evercrest.com ....
Isn't that a bit of a double standard to a point?
That being said...
Once again, everyone needs to SHUT THE HELL UP.
That includes Drysart, Ja'Deth, Deli, Lyinar, and dammit, everyone with an opinion that's based around the happenings on the matter itself.
By trying to step in on the argument, you are solving nothing, you are angering more people, you are causing the anger BETWEEN the parties involved to grow, and YOU'RE BRINGING EVERYONE DOWN WITH YOU.
For the love of god, people, this is a community. This is a place of peace and friendship. Is it worth getting angry over, is it worth fighting over? ESPECIALLY given that the people most involved are--surprise--the people with the most pull over the rest of the community.
YOU ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE UPHOLDING THE IDEALS OF EVERCREST AS A FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT, NOT FUCKING DESTROYING THEM.
Everyone here needs to grow the hell up. And someone needs to start it with an apology.
-Carl, pissed.
Let him speak freely in both..
Or ban him from both(Probably the most safer cause Deli scares even me )
[ 08-10-2001: Message edited by: Skaw ]
People are fighting over 'leaked' information, which is somewhat stupid. It's all fine and dandy to be saying 'Hey, guess what happened over in sorcery.net?'. But if you're gonna bring up a point, at least have the balls to bring up something you were there for and witnessed. Makes you sound like you're intentionally trying to start something otherwise. If Delid tells Drysart what happened, let Delid bring it up on the forums, Drys wasn't there, even if it was cut and pasted to him, he didn't witness any of it. He doesn't need to be in it.
The same would go if someone was talking to Lyinar. If, for example, Batty was telling Lyinar what happens in irc.evercrest.com, then Batty should bring up what is said, and Lyinar shouldn't. It's just common sense, I'd assumed. I guess that common sense is in short supply these days. Lord knows I have little enough of it =/
(Batty's name was just a random pick from the list of peeps online in the #evercrest room, nothing against him personally. I coulda picked anyone, myself, Deth, Kloie...) [ 08-10-2001: Message edited by: Khyron ]
quote:
Originally posted by Pesco:
So basically.... Deth banned Deli for getting info "leaked" to Drysart about Sorcery... yet Deth got info "leaked" to him about evercrest.com ....Isn't that a bit of a double standard to a point?
Basically. Notice from Deth's logs that Delidgamond only said ONE thing in SorceryNet IRC before he was banned, and that Deth felt the need to come to irc.evercrest.com to inform Delid about it. Obviously the banning was because Delid "leaked" info to the Evercrest IRC room.
As to a double standard.. nah, I don't care if people "leak" stuff to SorceryNet, it's not like I'm running a secret society or anything. But if you DO want to see a double standard, take a look at how they banned him for his speech in an "unoffical forum". The same thing they jumped down MY case about not two months earlier.
Now whats going on, this still confusles me.
I asked a few select people to keep an eye on things there, for just such an instance as this. I recalled in another thread where Drysart and I were arguing that Deth said I wasn't ignoring his arguments, that I was playing his game. And then Drysart said he knew I was arguing with Parcelan in the Sorcery.net channel. Now, tell me, how could he possibly know what's going on in a channel he's not in? Obviously, we had a leak.
Since we had a leak, I asked those people to look out for someone reporting back. I informed Kenn of my suspicions and said I was going to try to track down the leak, and then we could see what action was to be taken against that leak.
For the record, I didn't ban him. Nor did I tell anyone to. My intention was to confront Delid and hear him out. I do think Deth was a little hasty, but I was going to push for Delid's banning anyway. There is no reason, other than to start trouble, to report back what's being said in the Sorcery.net channel. We don't have anyone, excepting this time when I specifically asked them to, reporting back to us what goes on in the Evercrest.com channel.
Why? Because we don't give a damn. We're two separate channels. If either channel wants to know what's going on in the other, then they can come in the channel and see for themselves. I never ask what's going on in there, because it doesn't concern me, and I just don't care. I concern myself with the Sorcery.net channel and that's it.
I don't know why people feel they have to report back to Drysart, unless they just want to start trouble. There's no point in telling him what's going on, because it doesn't concern him. Just like Evercrest.com doesn't concern us over on Sorcery.net. So I think both channels should just stay out of each other's hair, and go on their merry ways.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Personally if it was "Oh hey Mightion, Deth is looking for you on Sorcery" I wouldn't care. The fact is that Delid was 1. Trolling and 2. Trolling and reporting back elsewhere. The trolling on its own would have gotten him kicked and banned. The fact he came to Sorcery.net exclusively for the purpose of trolling (which in a lot of cases seems to be Delid's modus operandi...he finds someone he can get a rise out of, and when he's bored he harasses them) to entertain Drysart...well...that made things worse.
Make no mistake, I was on him about the trolling from the start. Finding out what I did otherwise was just the icing on the cake.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
quote:
Originally posted by Lyinar:
I don't know why people feel they have to report back to Drysart, unless they just want to start trouble.
Boy that sounds familiar. Sounds just like the reasoning I gave you when I said I didn't want people to bring up moderation issues in public.
Shoe, welcome to the other foot!
quote:
Originally posted by Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
We've suspected for a while that someone's been violating Sorcery.net #Evercrest channel rules by feeding information from our channel to the other channel.
So in other words, you're censoring what people can say in my channel and what people are allowed to talk to me about. Very 1984 of you.
Lyinar and Drysart had basically the same response to my question. So I am gonna go chill somewhere and ponder it all.
If that's how it seems to you, then it must be obvious that I learned from the best, Drysart
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
We all know two wrongs make a right!
For the record, I didn't ban him. Nor did I tell anyone to. My intention was to confront Delid and hear him out. I do think Deth was a little hasty, but I was going to push for Delid's banning anyway. There is no reason, other than to start trouble, to report back what's being said in the Sorcery.net channel.
irc.sorcery.net is a secret society that all information in that channel must NEVER go anywhere else.
Why? Because we don't give a damn.
I just thought that needed to be separated from the rest
We're two separate channels. If either channel wants to know what's going on in the other, then they can come in the channel and see for themselves.
And how do they know what went on prior to them coming in?
I never ask what's going on in there, because it doesn't concern me, and I just don't care. I concern myself with the Sorcery.net channel and that's it.
And you and Ja`Deth have shown a remarkable example of that!
I don't know why people feel they have to report back to Drysart, unless they just want to start trouble. There's no point in telling him what's going on, because it doesn't concern him.
Guess what, Drys is a funny guy...and he can crack some jokes up about almost anything. If there is something that I find funny, or that can be made funny in another channel or website, I should be able to post it there WITHOUT YOU PEOPLE USING IT AGAINST ME! *gasp* I just used the 'Lyinar' argument
quote:
Originally posted by Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:
eyes DrysartIf that's how it seems to you, then it must be obvious that I learned from the best, Drysart
If you don't think it's the same thing, please explain the differences, why it's not ok for me to take action when people stir up trouble in other venues, but it's perfectly alright when you do it. [ 08-10-2001: Message edited by: Drysart ]
Drysart, you're a nice guy, I enjoy talking and joking around with you, you do some things I agree with, you do some things I disagree with... You can be an ass, to put it bluntly, but you admit that you can be an ass.
Lyinar, your a nice lady, I enjoy talking and joking around with you as well, you do some things I agree with, you do some things I disagree with... You can be an ass, to put it bluntly, but you havn't admitted it.
You two are so much alike it's almost frightening, and that could be one of the sources of the "clash."
I havn't been around Drysart lately, so I can really only speak to Lyinar here.
You often get on people about forcing their opinions upon people, and them saying that there is no other way to be. Well, if you looked at some of the things you've said and done, I think you'd realize you do the same thing. Call it "spreading your opinion" all you want, but it's more like firing your opinion at people, weilding it at people. You refuse to act in an arguement as if anyone else has a point, they're wrong, you're right.
This wouldn't be a problem to me, I'd just let it slide, but then you tell other people not to treat their opinions like Royal Law.
It's like the pot calling the kettle black...
I know you'll probably hate me for this, and this post may or may not be picked apart and flamed. Things I've done or said in the past may or may not be brought into an arguement about this post. But I hope you'll just take this post with a grain of salt, and think it over for a bit and examine your actions.
quote:
irc.sorcery.net is a secret society that all information in that channel must NEVER go anywhere else.
I don't think that is the issue. I think it was that you were reporting it to cause trouble.
Rules rules...hmm...where exactly isn't it written that putting the quoted text of one person, especially themselves, is against the rules? Furthermore, where are these rules?
Personally if it was "Oh hey Mightion, Deth is looking for you on Sorcery" I wouldn't care. The fact is that Delid was 1. Trolling and 2. Trolling and reporting back elsewhere. The trolling on its own would have gotten him kicked and banned.
See ya Cadga
The fact he came to Sorcery.net exclusively for the purpose of trolling (which in a lot of cases seems to be Delid's modus operandi...he finds someone he can get a rise out of, and when he's bored he harasses them) to entertain Drysart...well...that made things worse.
A) I don't 'entertain' Drysart. I finds funny what he finds funny.
B) I didn't come there to 'exclusivly' troll. I used what Lyinar said against her (that is a crime against all humanity if you didn't already know).
C1)I love arguement threads. My recent 'religeon' thead started off with some points about how 'God' killed innocent Egyption first borns. Then someone posted about how people in the name of 'God' killed each other. It got hi-jacked on a similar, but different topic.
C2)Guess you are going to ban Maradon for arguing about Necro's. Since he just WANTS someone to try and prove him wrong so he can argue....but wait...this was about Lyinar, so I guess that makes all the difference in the world.
D)I don't go in sorcery to TROLL. What you see as 'trolling' is when I argue a point that YOU don't like. The ONLY TIME I EVER, EVER trolled is the time I said *Delidgamond sticks pins through a voodoo doll of Lyinar* and this was LONG ago when Drys and Lyinar were both friends
quote:
Originally posted by Kinanik:
I don't think that is the issue. I think it was that you were reporting it to cause trouble.
How was it causing trouble? I laughed at it, made a snide joke about it and that was it. It's not like I'm masterminding trolling operations. Delid thought I'd find it funny, I did. Having fun is a bannable offense on SorceryNet now, it seems.
Really though, it sounds more like he was banned because someone's ego was bruised.
quote:
Originally posted by Kinanik:
I don't think that is the issue. I think it was that you were reporting it to cause trouble.
I don't see how me quoting myself of what I thought as funny to #evercrest, that Lyinar herself says she doesn't care what happens in, would case trouble. If I see something I think is funny, I WILL post it where I see fit. I don't think that should be held against me *oh wait there goes that 'Lyinar' type of arguement again*
Drysart and Delid are clearly speaking together about this. Does this mean that Drysart is dating Delidgamond?
quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Hmmm. I just had a thought. Deth and Lyinar are a couple, and are clearly speaking together about this.Drysart and Delid are clearly speaking together about this. Does this mean that Drysart is dating Delidgamond?
*gasps*
Yes, that's right, hot live sex!
quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Drysart and Delid are clearly speaking together about this. Does this mean that Drysart is dating Delidgamond?
I did not have sexual relations with that bald headed guy.
quote:
Intentionally trolling or spamming will not be tolerated and will be dealt with, with extreme prejudice.
So, technically Delid should already be banned by posting that 'God should burn in hell' thread for his own enjoyment?
quote:
Originally posted by Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:
We don't spy on Evercrest.com. I have been there, as of tonight, exactly ONE time. We've suspected for a while that someone's been violating Sorcery.net #Evercrest channel rules by feeding information from our channel to the other channel.
Where might we find these rules? I for one, have never seen them.
How has it become that these two channels are like seperate countries where people feel they are taking sides by which one they visit or listen to?
Many people frequent both, why should information be said in one, be kept secret?
This is really really sad....
quote:
Originally posted by The Otaku Penguin:
I am all confused as to WHAT and WHY you guys are fighting in the first place...
Short version: Delidgamond was banned from the SorceryNet IRC channel for making a joke about Lyinar in the irc.evercrest.com IRC channel. See the logs above for the full story.
This kind of thing seems to happen every time I hit my spell level.... I guess the Gods themselves are laughing at me...
Apparently Drysart was right... people really can't be left to their own devices. There will be a few bad apples who ruin the the basket. So I'll be making a few changes....
Whatever I decide, there are people who won't like what I might plan. At this point, I don't care about that. I can't please everyone, so I'm going to concentrate on the majority of people. Well, anyways... ciao....
