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Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 09-19-2003 04:43:55 PM
So, like.. I don't draw. Except for doodles. But... I've started WANTING to draw.

I don't know how to make a sketch into a real line drawing, especially in photoshop.

This is my first ever real drawing, so please critsize, but be constructive.

[ 09-19-2003: Message edited by: Gikkwiny ]

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 09-19-2003 04:44:53 PM
Look at it this way: You're doing a helluva lot better then most people out there.

Namely me.

Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 09-19-2003 04:46:16 PM
I wanna make it better.

And less sketchy.

Anythign you think I could fix?

Zair
The Imp
posted 09-19-2003 04:52:06 PM
The alignment of the dagger should be a little further back on her fist maybe? I dunno..

If that is really your first real drawing attempt, then that is pretty good

`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 09-19-2003 04:56:48 PM
Drop and smooth her left shoulder a bit (right side of picture) to match the other one (left side of the picture), and bring the outside line of her left arm a bit closer to the body. Women tend to have slightly dropped shoulders, as opposed to the squared shoulders on men. It's not just a matter of being athletic, either; shoulderblades angle differently between the genders.

Then there's the hand suggestions I made in IRC.

quote:
[16:45] <Gikk> http://forums.evercrest.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=047962
[16:45] <Gikk> help.
[16:46] <Alaan> I have the most random seeing sometimes...
[16:47] <`Doc|Wurq> I can help you with the hands, if you want.
[16:47] <Gikk> yay for avoiding hands.
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[16:47] <Gikk> when I draw hands, they look like a midgets.
[16:47] <Gikk> Or somehtign
[16:48] <`Doc|Wurq> Well, just take the mitten you've got, add three curved lines as finger separators (equally spaced, but with slightly more distance from the top since you're showing a slight top-down angle on the hand), then add a thumb coming off the top.
[16:49] <Gikk> Well, the mitten is a closed hand.
[16:49] <Gikk> Not a mitten.
[16:49] <`Doc|Wurq> The thumb should start at the wrist (top line) with the separator half way up the hand length. The finger separators should only be 1/4 of the hand length for a closed fist, with little notches just beyond the ends to indicate knuckles.
[16:49] <Gikk> but.. I think I kinda see what you mean. sec.
[16:50] <`Doc|Wurq> And pull the knife a bit closer to the wrist, so it's in the hand rather than nudging against it.
[16:50] <`Doc|Wurq> I used to be quite good with hands.
[16:51] <Gikk> Agshdgffff.f
[16:51] <`Doc|Wurq> hmm?
[16:51] * `Doc|Wurq is only trying to help
[16:52] <Gikk> Since my comp is crappy as fuck, it keeps loosing the fact that my tablet is pressure sensitive.
[16:52] <Gikk> Sec while I reboot. Again.
[16:52] <Gikk> Oh, it's not you.
[16:52] *** Gikk has quit IRC

[ 09-19-2003: Message edited by: Ford Prefect ]

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Delphi Aegis
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posted 09-19-2003 04:58:43 PM
Well, was this a sketch done in Pshop with your fancy tablet, or was it done on paper, then scanned in?

If the former, then it's rather excellent, especially for a first try. I know, like, jack shit, so I'd say keep practicing, really. You'll get better.

If it's the latter.. again, I know jack shit, but it's still rather decent.

Maybe take all the lines and make them thinner? The ones around her ears seem kinda thick to me.

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 09-19-2003 04:59:52 PM
Looks pretty damn good to me.

I echo the other responses, though, slide the dagger back in the hand a little more.

Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 09-19-2003 05:18:49 PM
This is what I get after advice.

... And it was drawn with a wacom, in photoshop.

Zair
The Imp
posted 09-19-2003 05:21:49 PM
The hand seems....small

but the changes you've made are good

Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 09-19-2003 05:25:29 PM
quote:
Zair had this to say about Knight Rider:
The hand seems....small

but the changes you've made are good


Can't really make it bigger without fuxing the whole thing up. Uhm.. she's ladylike elf. With small hands. Yeah, that's it.

I'm gonna be trying again.

Oh, and I've only doodled or done landscapes in photoshop, drawing wise. Did a flower and a tree, once...

I used to copy elfquest to, but that doesn't count, cause I copied.

[ 09-19-2003: Message edited by: Gikkwiny ]

Ferret
Poing! Poing!
posted 09-19-2003 05:39:44 PM
The hands look great. The ears seem a little too big and it looks like she has a minor case of flaming crotch to me, but other than that it looks great.

Great job Gikkay.

Nicole
The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
posted 09-19-2003 05:48:50 PM
The eyes bug me. I used to have eye problems, too, so don't worry . I can barely see the pupil, and that's... worrying, plus the eye shape is off. My guess is you're going for anime eyes. Try drawing a circle first, for the eyeball, and shaping the eye around it, rather than just doing the outline and sticking an iris and such inside.

Also, try to make her face shape more even. The right side is very angular, while the left is softer... makes it look as if she got her jaw punched in. Either straighten the left or make the right curvier, and it'll look better.

Remove the lines on her neck. Neck lines never look good. If you're looking to define her neck, do it with shading rather than lines.

Her hand IS a little small, as is her dagger. It's not a big a deal as her eyes, just... odd



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`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 09-19-2003 05:57:34 PM
Mucho improvemented. Nicole speaks truth of the eyes.
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Ares
posted 09-19-2003 06:01:57 PM
The best way to get a sketch clean is to trasfer it to another sheet of paper by tracing or just ink the sketch.
Holden
French Cocksucker
posted 09-19-2003 06:15:47 PM
Thats what I usually do, I mostly do about 5-6 sketches of something and on my final i'll trace with ink or pencil..

So it looks less sketchy =\


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Led
*kaboom*
posted 09-19-2003 09:37:24 PM
Great overall Nice work!

Although I would have to say the facial geometry and eyes are rather off. For a frontal view, the jaw should be symmetrical. The upper eyelines need to be given an arch, and the lower lines are not really necessary at all.

Those two points are stuff you mostly pick up after practice, though I love the detail on the hair~!

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 09-20-2003 02:46:49 PM
What is her right hand doing down her pants?

And she looks like she's about to stab herself with the dagger in her left hand.

Good first attempt, all said.

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Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

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Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 09-20-2003 02:54:04 PM
quote:
Bloodsage said:
What is her right hand doing down her pants?

Well, it IS Gikk who's drawing it.

Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 09-20-2003 03:14:40 PM
It's behind her back. Geez, get your minds out of the gutter.

Looking at it, from the neck down + hair, it's all good. Neck up needs work, right?

Zabe The Confused
Pancake
posted 09-20-2003 03:58:52 PM
Its very good in my opinion. The only thing I think needs some help is the ears. They seem a bit crooked, and one look shorter than the other. Other than that, I like it.
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