Nem, have you been hiding something?
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D had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Your average "witness" doesn't know the difference between a Ruger and a Luger.
I am an average witness. 
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D spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Your average "witness" doesn't know the difference between a Ruger and a Luger.
Rugers are those cream-filled wafer things, arn't they?
And if FireArms is any indication of the accuracy of an AK-74, I doubt a sniper would be using one. Escpecially since you never hear about this sniper missing his targets.
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JooJooFlop stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Rugers are those cream-filled wafer things, arn't they?And if FireArms is any indication of the accuracy of an AK-74, I doubt a sniper would be using one. Escpecially since you never hear about this sniper missing his targets.
His first shot was PROBABLY a miss.
His first shot went through a store window, but didn't hit anyone.
It's every shot after, that did.
It's a bit beyond me how people can still make jokes about this, referring to nem.
Yes I understand the joke quite fine, but shit, that's alot of dead people.
This guy has to be either really damn good or he has some rather amazing luck
Why did he have to become a crackpot? I'm sure the military would have found a perfect place for someone that good [ 10-16-2002: Message edited by: Vorago ]
Also considering your average person classifies almost anything above a pistol as a machine gun. But at least Demme made an attempt at not demonizing any particular gun yet. Honestly until I got my two AKs I could not have told you which was the AK-47 and which was the AK-74.
Anyway a "sniper" would preffer a bolt action or break over to an auto of any type for accuracy. Then again I am not an expert in any case.
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Fazum'Zen Fastfist had this to say about Duck Tales:
Is missing like that even possible? I mean, the barrel is pointing straight forward, it's not gonna shoot like 20 feet off mark where it's pointing, or something. Is it even possible for guns to do that? hehe
I'd suspect that imperfections in the bullet, rifling, or the charge could contribute to minor variances in the shot.
And there's always wind. 
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Fazum'Zen Fastfist stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Is missing like that even possible? I mean, the barrel is pointing straight forward, it's not gonna shoot like 20 feet off mark where it's pointing, or something. Is it even possible for guns to do that? hehe
uh, recoil? how about an unsteady hand? misjudging a target's position? the further the distance, the less room for error you have. small errors mean little at close range because you're close enough that small errors will actually have small consequences. but the further away you are, the more chances the bullet has to go off target, and the longer it has to find them. sniping, especially sniping a moving target, is fucking hard. the smallest mistake can put you a few feet off of target easily (the bullet isn't going to find a straight line to the target on its own--an inch quickly turns into a foot which turns into a yard which turns into two). the barrel may be straight, but physics is a cruel bitch, and it WILL find some way to keep the bullet from leaving perfectly straight.
so in short, stick to martial arts, it suits you better.
there's a reason the military will only send the most qualified and prodigal snipers out into the field. if you don't know your gun in and out, you will miss.
this guy is really good, and there's no two ways about it.
edit edit edit. i'm tired today...give me a break. [ 10-16-2002: Message edited by: hard technology rock ]
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hard technology rock's fortune cookie read:
this guy is really good, and there's no two ways about it.
Actually, I've been watching Fox News today and they had one of their reporters go to a firearms training area to see how accurate an inexperienced person can shoot at long distances. They gave her a gun that is similar to the gun police think the sniper is using (it looked like the scoped assault rifle Terrorists use in CS). Her first shot hit the side of the target's neck, and after about a minute's instruction on proper stances her 3rd shot landed in the target's head. Apparently it doesn't take much experience to accuratly shoot at 100 yards or less.
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"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
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Fazum'Zen Fastfist had this to say about John Romero:
Yeah, but I'm asking if the bullet can actually stray off course from where the barrel is pointing
WIND. Physics. GRAVITY.
Gawd, think.
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From the book of JooJooFlop, chapter 3, verse 16:
Actually, I've been watching Fox News today and they had one of their reporters go to a firearms training area to see how accurate an inexperienced person can shoot at long distances. They gave her a gun that is similar to the gun police think the sniper is using (it looked like the scoped assault rifle Terrorists use in CS). Her first shot hit the side of the target's neck, and after about a minute's instruction on proper stances her 3rd shot landed in the target's head. Apparently it doesn't take much experience to accuratly shoot at 100 yards or less.
it's not the accuracy that gets to me...it's the consistancy. hitting the side of the neck probably isn't going to kill somebody...even hitting somebody in the head might cause major wounds over death. this guy's got 9, out of 10, and under much more pressure than you would find in a training environment. to me, that says skill.
and faz, shut up, because you know i'm right. recoil can send the bullet upwards, or even to the left of right, which means you = lose.
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Fazum'Zen Fastfist had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Yeah, but I'm asking if the bullet can actually stray off course from where the barrel is pointing
yes, and we've told you: easily.
If you know how to hold and use the gun, 100m shots are a fairly simple matter.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Optimus Prime:
9 --- 11.
OMG TERRORIST SUPPORTER!
for a scoped rifle? simplicity in itself
there is no actual gauge of how far away he is when he shoots, I'm not sure if there were others present at the shooting, but I doubt any of them counted the time between the bullet hitting, and the sound of the fire...
and remember, a Ruger 700, a standard of .223 bolt actions, has an -accurate- range of up to 800 yards, how good he is depends on how far away he is
Alright.
Recoil isn't going to affect the shot that much. Only one bullet has been fired. It's AFTER you've fired that you feel the recoil, not before.
To address Faz's question, yes, missing is possible. Every gun shoots within a certain "MOA" (minute of accuracy.) For example, the US Military claims that their M24 (based off the Remington 700) shoots within 1/2 MOA. This means, that at 100 yards in "perfect shooting conditions", the bullet can deviate one half inch from where the barrel of the gun is pointed. That doesn't mean much at short range, but once you've gotten out to 1200 yards, there's quite a difference.
Wind can be compensated for using something called (and this one will really get you) windage. Basically left or right alignment of the front sight.
HTR is correct in that sniping a moving target is difficult. However, at 100 yards, it can be done simply with iron sights. You all assume when the word "sniper" is used that this guy's using a scoped rifle. Honestly, at the ranges that the police have inferred the shootings have occured from recently, a scope would be unnecessary. It could be done just as easily without.
Joojoo is correct in that there's not a lot of skill involved in shooting at 100 yards. One of my first rifle shoots involved me, my dad, and a friend of ours shooting dimes and pennies at 100 yards. It's not that difficult.
Most modern "sniper rifles" are really just hunting rifles. The M24 and M40 are both based off the Remington 700, which is -- you guessed it -- a hunting/target rifle.
100 yards with a handgun is doable, as long as you're aiming a few feet above your target. 
A scope doesn't help you shoot, it only helps you see.
I'm going to excuse the "Ruger 700" because I know what you meant, CBTao. And while the rifle can be considered "accurate out to 800 yards," a standard .223 Remington load makes a transition from super to subsonic at around 600-700 yards, and that tends to mess with flight trajectory.
My work here is done for today. Azizza will clean up any of my mistakes, I'm sure.
Arttemis out.
-Edit- Oh, and without a conversion kit, the AK-74 doesn't even shoot .223 Remington. It shoots 5.45x39 (silly Russians and their crazy calibers.) [ 10-16-2002: Message edited by: Koosh Man ]
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or have they been silenced shots?
But, what makes you think all the shots were being made from within 100 yards? Only OONE shell casing has been found, according to CNN. The casing was marked by the ejection mechanism in an automatic rifle, and was also marked by the reciever signitures of the Colt AR-15. There are other weapons which make similar signitures, so its nto for sure that it was fired by a Colt, but it is very likely.
As for shot difficulty.
I was IN Virginia last Friday. I was in the RAIN in Virginia last friday. TO make a 100 yard shot in that mess, it would have required divine intervention, or serious training.
My opinions.
The Sniper, is Ex-Military.
My reasons for believing this, are simple. The weapon used, according to information gathered, is very similar to the M-16. You train with somehting, you get a feel for it. The nature of escape. Your average deer hunter can evade an 8 point buck, but tends to not give a shit if humans see him or not. A trained killer, knows how to avoid being noticed. More than likely, the fucker has been seen many times, but just overlooked.
The Van.
I saw 4 white vans this morning, standing outside my work. 3 had ladders on them. I dont think the sniper using such a vehicle, is a coincidence. White vans are one of the most common service vehicles in the country, and they are as easily overlooked, as the workers in them are. Hell, watch some movies.. Bad guys use them, god guys use them.. and all because they are the most inconspicuous things on the road.
Of course, I also doubt the killings are just random. I dont think this guy goes out and pops the first person he sees. This would be clumsy, messy, sloppy. He sits there for a while, in the same place. nobody notices his van, because its been sitting there for hours. He waits for his shot to come to him, he doesnt go out and hunt it. To hunt something, you have to know your target first. His victims may be random, but the killings are not without a pattern.
This is a Sniper. Its not a deer hunter. Its not some kid who plays too much "Doom".
I doubt its more than one person, as all the shootings, and times were within driving time, and waiting time. And a second person, is a liability.
The idea of being an act of terrorism, is also valid. Think about how the country would react.. one sniper in the DC area.. goes say, 3 weeks before being nailed. Then, a few days later, another sniper, in Los Angeles... he gets caught, another sniper, in NYC, Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, Montpelier, Miami..... Something like that could keep the entire nation worried, for months at a time, with only a handful of terrorists.
Hoping its just a deer hunter, may let some people relax.. but in todays world, you can never be sure.
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what makes you think all the shots were being made from within 100 yards?
The fact that in an urban/suburban area, ranges longer than 100 yards are hard to find unless going straight along a street.
all the rain affects is visibility, and that'll affect everyone exactly the same. While military units may have to deal with inclement weather, so do hunters.
Just because the AR-15 is similar to the M16 doesn't really mean the shooter is ex-military. AR-15s are cranked off by everyone and their brother, they're fairly common rifles, and are fairly reasonably priced, as well. One of my target rifles is a bull barreled AR-15, but that certainly doesn't mean that I'm ex-military.
Your point about the van is an excellent one, however.
And just an aside (not talking to you in person, Twitch) I love how everyone labels this guy a "Sniper". I mean, out of 12 shots he's taken, there have been 9 deaths, two woundings, and a miss. The reason the statistics are so impressive is because of the human tragedy. If you were to relate the same thing to a target (say 9 in the 8-10 range, two in 5-7, and one four or below) you'd have something just about any CMP shooter, hunter, military marksman, or recreational plinker can achieve.
If it were really a skilled marksman, a "sniper", we'd have two, possibly three more dead.
That's just my opinion, though. I expect my snipers to live up to higher standards than the average man, it seems.
While this guy could be some great sniper the shots he has been taking are pure run-of-the-mill. they are saying his shots are made between 60-100 yards. I can put 29 of 30 rounds from my AR15 into an area no bigger than a human head at this distance off hand(no benchrest or other support) And your average shooter could do almost as well. This guy has time to line up every shot and I would bet money he is laying down or otherwise supporting the weapon.
Right now balistics are pointing to an AR15 style weapon. While it could be an AK varient that shoots .223/5.56 I don't find it likely. While balisticly it would be possible this guy is showing a calculating mind. He almost seems to take pride in his work. One shot then he is off. To me it seems like this would carry over into his weapon as well. While there is nothing wrong with an AK style weapon the AR15/M16 is just much higher quality and instills a sense of pride in its owner. This guy may be a phycho. But he seems to have some paterns and this would fit.
Now one other fact to keep in mind. the .223/5.56 has an effective range of just over 200-300 meters from an M16/AR15. Sure it can kill a lot farther out but it is to light of a round to be effective. bullet weight is in the range of 55-68 grain with some speacialty loads as low as 45 and as high as 80.
So sorry CBtao. I have to tell you that you are wrong. Accurate range on a Remington 700 in .223 is 300-400 MAX. After that the bullet drops to far and is affected by even light wind far to much.
I am poretty suprised by his choice of calliber for the reasons I listed above. To be honest the .223 is a sub-par round to use on humans. It has a much higher wounding ration than killing with anything higher than a 1/8 twist in the barrel.(1/7 gives a higher kill ratio but at a loss of acuracy) Hence the use by modern military of a 1/9 twist with a 68grain bullet.
And to settle the argument. Recoil has no real impact on accuracy of the FIRST shot. My 300Win Mag is just as accurate as my .22. But holding onto the 300 is a bit more of a challenge when I light off a round. Recoil is a nasty affect of the gasses exiting the front of the barrel along with the bullet. By the time recoil hits the bullet is gone.
Well I think I covered everything. If not I will make a followup post. I need food [ 10-17-2002: Message edited by: Azizza ]
Azziza.. do you have that shit memorized, or do you leave your ballistics manuals laying close to the computer? My GOD man.. you're like a fucking machine.
The low killing power, and energy dump of the .223, is the reason I think familiarity with the weapon is the reason for its choice. Accuracy over blunt killing power, as if you are accurate enough, you dont need the heavy force.
At ranges of 60-100 yards, for more of a definate take down, regardless of hit location... something like a 45-70 would be my choice. Especially in varied weather, and wind, and random foliage blocking the bullet path.
Blah...
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Twitch had this to say about Matthew Broderick:Azziza.. do you have that shit memorized, or do you leave your ballistics manuals laying close to the computer? My GOD man.. you're like a fucking machine.
LOL Don't ask, just don't ask.
Lets just say I have no idea where my manuels are right now since I am moving stuff around...
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Twitch's fortune cookie read:
The reason I doubt the kilings are from 60-100 yards, is that at such close ranges, the shooter would be much easier to spot. And the shooter, isnt that sloppy.
Actually most tactical concealment of snipers not on specific intelligence known targets takes place with 100-150 yards. If inteligence has laid down a specific 'marked' target, that is when you get into the really long range, but sniper 'runs' are typically short range.
The size of a football field with as much cover as some of the locales in DC has is quite a significant tactical advantage for easy deployment, targeting, and exiting. Which is exactly what is being done, otherwise there wouldn't be any injuries, only deaths. Unless he sucked. The killings at this point have, as Azziza and Art said, been pretty run of the mill. He may or may not be a sniper, but until (And hopefully it doesn't happen) he could pull a long range deploy, his abbilities are pretty much that of a common hunter. And concidering 3 survivors, he's not even that good.
One thing you learn as a sniper is, if you are not smart, fast, accurate, and methodical, you are dead. One of the first things you are taught is, you are the enemies first priority target; Take out the snipers. How you manipulate that detemines your survival. You HAVE to know what you are doing under those conditions, and you HAVE to be good, or you are a sitting duck and as good as dead.
Edit: On a side note, Suppressed (Silenced) shots are glorified in the movies. They are not used half as much as you may think in the real world. Just adding to Art's comment on Silenced shots being a movie term. [ 10-17-2002: Message edited by: Faelynn LeAndris ]
