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Topic: Something about The Matrix that always bugged me
Maradon!
posted 02-24-2002 09:32:12 AM
They've got to eat the ready-eggs slime stuff, right? 'cause that's all they have.

They've also got that Contruct program that they can simulate pretty much anything in.

So, why don't they just feed themselves intraveinously (sp?) and go and have big banquets in the construct?

Sucks to be tank and dozer, but oh well. Would be a nice break in the monotony for everyone else.

Koosh Man
Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 09:35:34 AM
Seems like alot of hassle just to get around eating grits.

I always wondered why they didn't use shotguns against the Agents. I suppose because of their bulk.

Koosh Man
Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 09:36:07 AM
And yes I'm too lazy to switch back to D's account.
Kanid
BANNED
posted 02-24-2002 09:45:50 AM
quote:
Koosh Man had this to say about Pirotess:
I always wondered why they didn't use shotguns against the Agents. I suppose because of their bulk.

Accuracy, range and concealability. Shotguns would be good for short range where you don't care about attracting attention, like when they broke into the tower they started with shotguns, but you want concealability so you aren't drawing attention to yourself.

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Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 02-24-2002 09:48:08 AM
Well they have to hack their way into the Matrix via some kind of pirate broadcast . . . so I assume it's not worth the risk of being traced just to have a fancy dinner now and again.

Kind of like how a commando group would eat cold rations rather than build a bonfire and roast marshmallows when on a secret mission behiond enemy lines, I'm thinking.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Kanid
BANNED
posted 02-24-2002 09:51:36 AM
Well they did have their training programs, where they could interface with a seperate connection, not connected to the Matrix. But maybe they had limited resources and didn't want to waste power just for eating...
"Unlike adults, children have little need to deceive themselves." - Goethe
Happiness is subjective, subject yourself to it whenever possible.
"A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore
Wise men still seek Him.
Koosh Man
Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 09:52:34 AM
quote:
Bloodsage wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Well they have to hack their way into the Matrix via some kind of pirate broadcast . . . so I assume it's not worth the risk of being traced just to have a fancy dinner now and again.

Maradon's talking about the construct, not the Matrix itself.

The Construct is the white place where they get equipped before broadcasting to the Matrix

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 02-24-2002 09:56:20 AM
Ah.

It's probably a philosophical thing, then. They are fighting against the tyranny of the unreal, so it would be a strange departure to coddle themselves with the trappings of the enemy.

Using the Construct for those purposes would be rather seductive, I'd imagine. Look what happened to Reagan, or Mouse's flings with his Woman in Red.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 02-24-2002 10:11:33 AM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Pirotess:
Look what happened to Reagan.
I never realized that was Cypher's name. Sounds like a concealed political joke to me. Oh well.

Anyhow, I agree with Bloodsage's comment about it being a psychological thing. If you're fighting against life being fake, you take life, as real as it is. Otherwise it's like being a hypocrite. "Yeah, all of you, you need to be free! But keep the restaurant scenes, because the food out here sux."

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OtakuPenguin
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posted 02-24-2002 10:28:58 AM
quote:
Bloodsage impressed everyone with:
Ah.

It's probably a philosophical thing, then. They are fighting against the tyranny of the unreal, so it would be a strange departure to coddle themselves with the trappings of the enemy.

Using the Construct for those purposes would be rather seductive, I'd imagine. Look what happened to Reagan, or Mouse's flings with his Woman in Red.


As usual, Sage is probably correct =p

I also did not know Reagan was Cypher's real name

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Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 02-24-2002 10:33:51 AM
That was the best joke in the whole movie! When Agent Smith and Cypher are at the restaurant.

Watch that scene again, and you'll be blown away by the subtle humor.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Steven Steve
posted 02-24-2002 11:08:24 AM
Something that always confused me about the Matrix is that none of the martial arts look like they'd hurt except for the throws, and yet people still get beat up.
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Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 02-24-2002 11:45:19 AM
I've always been fascinated by the staggering amount of Christ imagery in that movie. Every time I watch it, I see something else.
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Beer.

Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 02-24-2002 11:49:05 AM
I did not like The Matrix.

Am I going to Hell?

Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 02-24-2002 11:50:13 AM
quote:
Fazumzen Fastfist had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Something that always confused me about the Matrix is that none of the martial arts look like they'd hurt except for the throws, and yet people still get beat up.

Most martial arts look relatively painless. Until they're done to you, that is.

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Steven Steve
posted 02-24-2002 11:53:47 AM
I know, but jeez look at it
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Soldar
I'll take two of anything, please. To go.
posted 02-24-2002 01:23:55 PM
They're not hooked up in the same way to the matrix as the other people.

Those other people are supported by the matrix with food and warmth. The people in the chairs, are not.

You're hooked up by the back of your head for god's sake. Nothing to your stomach.

HP/MP are restored, but you're still hungry.

Plus the stuff Bloodsage said.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 02-24-2002 01:27:49 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Robocop:
That was the best joke in the whole movie! When Agent Smith and Cypher are at the restaurant.

Watch that scene again, and you'll be blown away by the subtle humor.


*grabs his Matrix DVD*

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 02-24-2002 01:28:39 PM
quote:
Kloie wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I did not like The Matrix.

Am I going to Hell?


Yeah, pretty much.

Azeroth™
Want my opinion?
posted 02-24-2002 02:55:04 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Kloie was all like:
I did not like The Matrix.

Am I going to Hell?


I thought the Matrix was an ok movie, But I don't understand why people think its like the god of all movies. Just because it had that still camera spin around effect in it.


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Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 02:57:34 PM
quote:
Azeroth had this to say about John Romero:
I thought the Matrix was an ok movie, But I don't understand why people think its like the god of all movies. Just because it had that still camera spin around effect in it.

It was the story (Uh.. heh.), and how it affects our lives. We're in a very digital age, where entire lives are bought and lost in a computer network.. Where a skilled hacker can pretty much erase you from the face of the earth without you ever knowing.
The thought that we could all be part of some giant experiment is a staggering concept, and it was for this reasons (I believe) that The Matrix was a "good" movie.

And the bullet time effects were kewl.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 02-24-2002 02:58:41 PM
quote:
Kloie had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I did not like The Matrix.

Am I going to Hell?


Yes, I'm afraid you are.

I'm sorry.

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 02-24-2002 02:59:56 PM
quote:
Azeroth had this to say about Duck Tales:
I thought the Matrix was an ok movie, But I don't understand why people think its like the god of all movies. Just because it had that still camera spin around effect in it.

Think of Quake. Remember Quake?

Not that great of a single player game, was it? But you know what it was?

A badass engine with great customability and great multiplayer. It opened alot of doors in both game design and general FPS gameplay.

I consider the Matrix to be the Quake of the movie industry. Gave it a nice kick in the ass, much like Seattle did to music in general in the late 80s and early 90s.

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Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 02-24-2002 03:03:06 PM
quote:
Soldar had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
HP/MP are restored, but you're still hungry.

Damned Enertron!

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 02-24-2002 05:01:59 PM
The Net showed that point well. How a skilled hacker could just erase your entire existence.


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Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 05:30:24 PM
quote:
Azeroth had this to say about John Romero:
I thought the Matrix was an ok movie, But I don't understand why people think its like the god of all movies. Just because it had that still camera spin around effect in it.

Delphi pretty well covered what I was going to get at, so I'll use this post to admire your taste in sigpics

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Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 02-24-2002 07:02:28 PM
quote:
Lyinar stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
The Net showed that point well. How a skilled hacker could just erase your entire existence.

Not really. Right now there is still too much hard evidence to prove someone exists left. Main thing of which would be just a simple birth certificate.

'Sides, Matrix opened more cinematic doors, like Star Wars did.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 02-24-2002 07:05:40 PM
A more interesting question than that posed by The Net, but not as far-fetched as that posed by The Matrix, is that of Ghost in the Shell . . .

When computers and people become integrated, what happens when you're hacked? What, if any, are the differences between human and machine intelligences?

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 02-24-2002 07:08:59 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Cuba:
What, if any, are the differences between human and machine intelligences?

Creativity. I've never seen any A.I. that was programmed to have any form of creativity on its own.

"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Themkin the Lucky
Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 09:22:29 PM
quote:
Dr. Vorbis had this to say about vegetables:
Right now there is still too much hard evidence to prove someone exists left.

*pokes self* Like this? Pretty good evidence, methinks, all this existing!

Kloie
tunactsunamooon
posted 02-24-2002 09:25:00 PM
NIPPLE! PR0N!!!!!!!

omgzomgzomgzomgzomgzomgozmgzomgz!!!!!111``

pfft yeah like i've never seen a nipple before god i'm so tired

[ 02-24-2002: Message edited by: Kloie ]

nem-x
posted 02-24-2002 09:25:14 PM
I see nipple.. is that allowed?

[ 02-24-2002: Message edited by: nem-x ]

Maradon!
posted 02-24-2002 09:27:38 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Robocop:
A more interesting question than that posed by The Net, but not as far-fetched as that posed by The Matrix, is that of Ghost in the Shell . . .

GOOD MOVIE!

Themkin the Lucky
Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 09:31:18 PM
quote:
nem-x wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I see nipple.. is that allowed?

Surely your imagination!

nem-x
posted 02-24-2002 09:42:29 PM
I had no problem with it .. HAH! it's still there! You evil evil evil person lol
Themkin the Lucky
Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 09:46:16 PM
I have personally inspected and I can assure you not a single nipple is present! Honest!
nem-x
posted 02-24-2002 09:48:48 PM
CBTao
Pancake
posted 02-24-2002 09:55:25 PM
quote:
Azeroth had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I thought the Matrix was an ok movie, But I don't understand why people think its like the god of all movies. Just because it had that still camera spin around effect in it.

Well, I for one worship the Matrix, I do in fact list it as life changing, I've seen it about 70 times, and the depth of that plot never ceases to astound me.

The various foreshadowings, the whole messiah concept, even to the point where Neo is called "my saviour, my own personal Jesus Christ", one could almost call it a new religion.

for instance, how many movies have had entire collegiate philosophy courses based soley on them? and this is Berkley mind you, not exactly a community college.

The genius of this movie is immesurable, the special affects, settings, character designs, are nothing to the story itself, they only serve to tell it in the best detail.

However Keanu Reeves blows, Edward Norton would have made that roll all that it could be.

that is all.

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