Come on! You can't tell me that is ok...
Deli........
Watch it.... 
Shrugs.
Before you say anything, I would like to state that I am a nuetral party when it comes to religion. I believe in the existance of a higher power though I also believe he/she/it doesn't give a rat's ass if I go to a set establishment to worship him/her/it.
Ok....Look. I'm catholic. And yeah, I'm pretty open-minded about other people's choice in religion....but PLEASE don't get me going about my beliefs...First of all, I'm really not in the mood, and second of all, I'm almost impossible to have a real debate about religion WITH because it ends up like a battle. I've tried it before.
I'm out of this one.
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Originally posted by Delidgamond™:
Gotta like how Azymyth had to post a disclaimer
Religious debates can get nasty and I'm not going to be around for a few hours so I need some way of keep myself from being flamed up the ass while I'm gone. 
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Originally posted by Delidgamond™:
Also, he killed awhole bunch of Egypt guards chasing some Hebrews, and then God just killed them all by collapsing the water right on top of them! It may have been in self defense, but that is still like, 4 years in jail!
I sense a great loss of intelegnce in the force.... like a million voices crying out in ignorance....
Threads like this should be drove off a cliff. [ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Black Mage ]
When one looks like Imhotep, one gains a fresh insight.
Illanae hugs Deli
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Originally posted by Delidgamond™:
HE COMMITED MASS MURDER BY KILLING THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY EGYPT PERSON!Come on! You can't tell me that is ok...
Let's see...the egyptians were enslaving an entire race. Not only that, but ANYONE who put the blood of a lamb above their doorway would be spared.
Don't post crap like this without all the facts. Thanks.
God can kill all the people he wants, since he made 'em and all. We are God's bitches!! God 0wnz us!!
Well, he 0wnz christians anyway
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Originally posted by Maradon?:
You see Deli, it's only bad to kill people if you aren't God.God can kill all the people he wants, since he made 'em and all. We are God's bitches!! God 0wnz us!!
Well, he 0wnz christians anyway
Cept it wasn't the Christians he was /ownzoring.
I discuss religion and study it all the time, as the subject interests me, especially comparing the mythologies of the different religions, how similar and different they are.
What's wierd though, even though I find religion interesting, the more I study it, the more I think it's just a placebo people use to avoid the consequences of their actions (God made me do it, Satan made me do it, Siva made me do it, etc), or to attempt to comprehend in easier terms things that scare us (what happens after death, does existance have an end point, etc).
Of course the above is just my opinion, one that some people may not like, but one which others may understand. I fully respect others rights to hold thier own opinions, and come to their own conclustions, as long as they respect my right to hold my own opinion.
I wonder, can our boards stand a discussion on religion, with all sorts of beliefs, or will any such thread just die in a flamefest.
If we could have a rational discussion on what people believe, and why, I would like it actually.
Deep down, I always hope someone out there will find the right thing to say to me that will show me there is a religion I should follow, and inspire faith.
So far that hasn't happened.
*Preemtively starts ducking flames*
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Originally posted by Cherveny:
What's wierd though, even though I find religion interesting, the more I study it, the more I think it's just a placebo people use to avoid the consequences of their actions (God made me do it, Satan made me do it, Siva made me do it, etc), or to attempt to comprehend in easier terms things that scare us (what happens after death, does existance have an end point, etc).
That is pretty much exactly right, to me, anyway. I'm sorry, fanatics, but thats how I feel. [Edit: Happy now?] [ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Pvednes Phoenixfeather ]
It's really great that we can, I think. Speaks volumes about the type of people who post here.
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Originally posted by Black Mage:
We could easily start a religous thread without any flames, but what Delid wrote just asks to be flamed.
Well, the last few religions threads I've seen on the board always get flammed out.
But I agree, the way the thread started is just asking for flames.
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Originally posted by Cherveny:
But I agree
I love you marry me. [ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Black Mage ]
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Originally posted by Pvednes Phoenixfeather:
That is pretty much exactly right.
Pvednes, using definates like that in regards to a topic like this is a bad idea. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion is going to see it as you TELLING them that's how it is, and will likely get mad.
I think the statement Cherv made is partly right. I think Cherv is speaking on organized religion, but is there not also a secular religion? One wholly contained within one's self?
I've always seen organized religion as letting other people think for you, but when you come home from church, most people still maintain thier own beliefs on life, the universe, and everything. I feel it's these beliefs that really count (and according to the Gospel of St. Thomas, so did Jesus, apparently).
True religion isn't churches and candles and giant invisible old men with long white beards, it's the way you make sense of the living universe around you, and the things you believe about that universe even though there may not be concrete evidence of it. You believe in it for no other reason than you believe that it is right, that it is the way things work.
Props to those who know the signifagance of that phrase.
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Originally posted by Black Mage:
We could easily start a religous thread without any flames, but what Delid wrote just asks to be flamed.
I think Deli's smart enough to know to not put down any religious belief or idol....He'd definately be asking to be flamed, then, but I don't think he is crossing any borders in this case (except for maybe the title of this thread, which bothered me more than anything) he's just stirring the pot which makes it a touchy subject (for me anyway)...
Nae is right - if it's his belief, let it be. It's just not mine, and I guess there's nothing else I can say. [ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: DivaliciousEm ]
Or his bald head.
[EDITED: Because Delid is stinky.] [ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Black Mage ]
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"I love you, you love me."
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Originally posted by Maradon?:
Pvednes, using definates like that in regards to a topic like this is a bad idea. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion is going to see it as you TELLING them that's how it is, and will likely get mad.I think the statement Cherv made is partly right. I think Cherv is speaking on organized religion, but is there not also a secular religion? One wholly contained within one's self?
I've always seen organized religion as letting other people think for you, but when you come home from church, most people still maintain thier own beliefs on life, the universe, and everything. I feel it's these beliefs that really count (and according to the Gospel of St. Thomas, so did Jesus, apparently).
True religion isn't churches and candles and giant invisible old men with long white beards, it's the way you make sense of the living universe around you, and the things you believe about that universe even though there may not be concrete evidence of it. You believe in it for no other reason than you believe that it is right, that it is the way things work.
Yep there has always been two sides to religion, the individual trying to comprehend the mysteries themselves by introspection, or the secluded few holding the mysteries, and revealing parts of them in small doses to the teaming masses via ritual.
Along with the side that I was saying how many people just use religion for a comfort, look at the Catholic Mass. The esential ritual hasn't changed since the church was founded. It wasn't until Vatacan II that it was even translated from Latin in the vernacular of the various regions! People were going to the ritual and not even understanding what was being said. But, people felt comforted by it because it stayed the same. What ever else in their life would change, they could count on their Mass to be the same format every year, the same liturgy at the same times next year, etc, giving them a sense of permanence to an ever shifting, impermanent world.
I think the several of the native american religions had a good take on this division, with a shaman guiding the person on the beginning of his spiritual journey, then the individual left to his own to actually take the journey.
Ok, I've rambled enough now, time to get lunch.
[Texan]
Ya'll a bunch of uptight yankees!
[/Texan]
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Originally posted by Delidgamond™:
God is the devil!
Actually, that can be true for someone who's a Christian with Universalist tendancies.
They would believe that all things in existance are a part of god, thus if the devil exists, it was created by god, and therefore, a part of god.
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Originally posted by Black Mage:
Look under a rock, and you will find me.
Split a piece of wood, and I am there.
From the Gospel of St. Thomas, oldest of all the gospels and the one most likely written in Jesus's own hand.
It's instructions to the apostles on how to establish the church. The ideas presented in it make the establishment and worship of a physical thing like a temple or church sound like blasphemy.
The Gospel goes on to say that the only church that counts is the one contained within.
The Gospel of St. Thomas is not recognized by the Vatican. When they tried to make a movie about it and the ideas it presented (Stigmata) the vatican condemned them and threatened legal action.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
If I offended you with my fews, i appoligise now.
