It confused me. My first thought was "Why?" and it was soon answered. They think it will spread the awareness of African American culture. Then I wondered to myself... Isnt there a Hispanic population there too? And most definately indian. And there's gotta be Anglo American. Where's their year of history?
I cant tell you how much it irks me to be lumped into a blanket catagory because A. I'm white, B. I'm female, and so on. Its not even just racism, its bigotry in general. The fact that I'm a chick doesnt catch me that much flack. On the contrary, what pisses me off the most are the femenazis who are demanding special treatment, and they disguise it to seem like 'equal' treatment. I've noticed quite a bit, at least here where I live, that some women are fine until either a man is promoted instead of them, or they see a man get rewarded for a job well done. Then its automatically discrimination.
Another thing bothering me... the demands for apologies for events long, long past. And the governments who give them. I mean, I never owned a slave, no one I know of in the US has ever been a slave (legally endorsed by the govt.) and I'm not even descended from slave owners. Very few people are.
I just started going off after reading an article about how some class in a business school somewhere decided to focus more on entrepeneurs that were black as opposed to white, because their black students were doing poorly in class and they figured it would be more engaging to them.
By doing all this, isnt it really promoting racism rather than doing something about it? Kinda making it okay for people to pull the racism or oppression card, because of something that happened decades ago? I'm not saying racism isnt a problem, or that it wont go away, in my opinion, it goes both ways.
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You will always be treated diffrently becuase of your race. You will always be treated diffrently becuase of your gender. You will always be treated diffrently dependning on if you are one of the "beautyful people" or not. diadem fucked around with this message on 06-11-2005 at 09:52 AM.
The action of the business school I don't see anything wrong with, it even strikes me as a good idea, giving successful black businessmen as examples of enterpreneurship could help combat the perception that being successful equals 'acting white' and that it is hopeless for a black person to go into the causasian-dominated business world that tends to be a big cultural problem in education.
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The reason why it's only blacks that get their own history lessons is probably that it's mostly the blacks who have lots of history attached to their skin color as a group within the US (Slavery, American Civil War, Reconstruction, Civil Rights Movement, etc). If the regular history currculum is for whatever reason not sufficient to cover those issues, I don't see anything wrong with adding an extra hour of it as a graduation requirement, just as there would be nothing wrong with an extra hour of grammar training if it were found that high school graduates had insufficient grammar skills.The action of the business school I don't see anything wrong with, it even strikes me as a good idea, giving successful black businessmen as examples of enterpreneurship could help combat the perception that being successful equals 'acting white' and that it is hopeless for a black person to go into the causasian-dominated business world that tends to be a big cultural problem in education.
I'd rather have my kids going to a buisness school where they looked at buisness instead of some racist shit like that.
If i wanted to have my kid to learn about a place that specalised in an area, I'd send them to private school. If I couldn't afford private school, I'd deal with it. Or do what I had to to get my kid in.
Also, I'd rather have my kid be learning about how the buisness world works so he can succeed in the buisness world, not how some people of the same nationality/color/whatever as him succeeded. All that will do is enhance the idea he is diffrent and detract from the intent of the buisness course - to teach him about buisness.
edit: and if you want to give me that "acting white" bullshit, show the kids the chippel skit "where keeping it real wend bad"
edit2: and if you want to try to improve our schools in bad areas, good luck. the one's i've seen are in such political bullshit the wellbeing of the kids rarely comes into play. good teachers get driven out by the system. only the crap remains. can you say downward spiral, anyone? diadem fucked around with this message on 06-11-2005 at 10:09 AM.
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I'd rather have my kids going to a buisness school where they looked at buisness instead of some racist shit like that.If i wanted to have my kid to learn about a place that specalised in an area, I'd send them to private school. If I couldn't afford private school, I'd deal with it. Or do what I had to to get my kid in.
Also, I'd rather have my kid be learning about how the buisness world works so he can succeed in the buisness world, not how some people of the same nationality/color/whatever as him succeeded. All that will do is enhance the idea he is diffrent and detract from the intent of the buisness course - to teach him about buisness.
edit: and if you want to give me that "acting white" bullshit, show the kids the chippel skit "where keeping it real wend bad"
edit2: and if you want to try to improve our schools in bad areas, good luck. the one's i've seen are in such political bullshit the wellbeing of the kids rarely comes into play. good teachers get driven out by the system. only the crap remains.
As I understood it from Aza's post, the school was doing case studies of successful buisnessmen as part of their regular study plan anyway and they decided to use black businessmen as examples to try and demonstrate that blacks can be successful in the business world as a side benefit, it doesn't sound as if they went out of the way to have a 'black people in business'-day.
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As I understood it from Aza's post, the school was doing case studies of successful buisnessmen as part of their regular study plan anyway and they decided to use black businessmen as examples to try and demonstrate that blacks can be successful in the business world as a side benefit, it doesn't sound as if they went out of the way to have a 'black people in business'-day.
good point
There were to many white students at the current school so they bussed intercity students on a 30-60 minute bus ride to join our school. Wow was that intresting. You've got people who grew up on literally nothing..food stamps..welfare..etc.(There were more then just black people in this category btw). Then you have people from my area whos parents are doctors, lawyers, or succesful business people..
Someone with a brain finally realized.. wait thats racism and its not against black people. Alot of people were like 'hah if its not with blacks its not racist!!'
He sued the school system and won. People should do that on this issue to. I want a white/indian/mexican/cubian business class if this grows through. We will spend so much time trying to be 'equal.'
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The reason why it's only blacks that get their own history lessons is probably that it's mostly the blacks who have lots of history attached to their skin color as a group within the US
You talk like "History attached to skin color" is something to be proud of. ANY racial segregation based on skin color is something abhorrent and blacks seeking legitimate equality should be rejecting the concept. Instead they cling to it so they can use it to childishly label themselves a victim class.
"Black History Month" is precisely this kind of racial segregation.
The idea of race is worse than phrenology. It's an arbitrary social construct, it's the idea that an inconsistant, randomly chosen group of meaningless physical characteristics can define a person's culture, heritage, and any number of other incorrectly assumed attributes.
His mother, outraged, slaps him across the face and tells him, "You go tell your father what you just said!"
So he goes to his father and says, "Look, Dad, I'm white!"
His father backhands him and says, "You go tell your Grandmother what you just said!"
So the boy, somewhat less enthusiastic by now, goes to his Grandmother and says, "Look, Grandma, I'm white!"
His Grandmother hits him across the back of his head with her shoe and the little boy starts crying. "What the hell are you crying about?", she asks him.
"I've only been white ten minutes and I already hate grandmas."
(The filter totally killed the punchline.) Snoota fucked around with this message on 06-11-2005 at 10:45 PM.
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The reason why it's only blacks that get their own history lessons is probably that it's mostly the blacks who have lots of history attached to their skin color
Down south (and hell up here in Indy) people still gave my Mom shit because she looks like she's part Native American.
Likewise, black folks weren't subjected to a systematic campaign of genocide. But everyone from the Spanish and Portugese right up through the Americans, Canadians, and Mexicans have at one time or another sought to wipe the Native Americans off the face of the world.
High school, however, is full of adolescents, and frankly it isn't until they're almost done with high school that a lot of students are ready to have intelligent discussions about this sort of thing.
That's what's insulting about this to me. I'm all for deeper cultural education. I think it should be a required element of a college degree (six credit hours of cultural education is nothing. Deduct it from the 30+ hours of "electives" most majors make you have to get in). High school, however, has a bigger responsibility than catering to special interest groups by forcing students to see history through a slanted balance. And they frankly don't have a lot of time to do it in. AND they're saddled with stupid crap like teaching to standardized tests.
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The reason why it's only blacks that get their own history lessons is probably that it's mostly the blacks who have lots of history attached to their skin color as a group within the US (Slavery, American Civil War, Reconstruction, Civil Rights Movement, etc).
No, no they don't.
Most of the study covered during blackhistory month has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. Aside from the likes of Martin Luther King and Civil Rights Movement, the majority of whats covered is things black people have done throughout history that really has no relevance to skin color other than the fact those who did it were black. The skin color of the person making the discovery should have no bearing, because it could just as easily been a whiteman or a redman, it is irrelevant. The issue arises from the fact that these discoveries and accomplishments are given more worth pure;y for the fact the person involved is black, and thats just wrong.
And if you wanna pull that argument, early Chinese American's were actually oppressed as much as Black americans, and no one was oppressed more than the native americans. It really is just a bunch of bullshit, and Maradon had the right of it. Intentionally segregating something is its own form of racism. If the black community really cared about eliminating racism instead of playing up the racial victim card, things like this wouldn't exist.
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Most of the study covered during blackhistory month has absolutely nothing to do with skin color.
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My thoughts exactly.
The whole point of the month is BASED on skin color. How could it have nothing to do with it?
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My thoughts exactly.The whole point of the month is BASED on skin color. How could it have nothing to do with it?
You entirely missed the point. 
You and Nox both.
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the majority of whats covered is things black people have done throughout history that really has no relevance to skin color other than the fact those who did it were black. The skin color of the person making the discovery should have no bearing, because it could just as easily been a whiteman or a redman, it is irrelevant. The issue arises from the fact that these discoveries and accomplishments are given more worth purely for the fact the person involved is black, and thats just wrong.
They make it something having to do with blacks, instead of, you know, just a regular american. So they put extra significance on it just because the person happened to be black, which is wrong. Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 06-12-2005 at 02:56 PM.
Do people make a bigger deal out of the Tuskegee Airmen because they are black? Sure, but they are still a fascinating and praiseworthy group.
Sure there are some things that are based purely on race, like the first black to serve in national legislature, but they have significance as Civil Rights landmarks as well.
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I guess I see your point, but I don't really agree with it. In both of my Florida Middle and High schools they made a big deal out of Black History month and I didn't really see what you are talking about.Do people make a bigger deal out of the Tuskegee Airmen because they are black? Sure, but they are still a fascinating and praiseworthy group.
Sure there are some things that are based purely on race, like the first black to serve in national legislature, but they have significance as Civil Rights landmarks as well.
Are the Tuskegee Arimen any more deserving of praise and facination than any number of succesfull or presigious military groups? No. There is nothing special about them over any number of influencial military groups.
And as far as the whole Civil Rights movement, why do you need a month specifically delegated to this specific event. Why are the women (Unless they are black) left out of this study period even though they were just as big a part of it. On that, as well, I'm sorry, but even without Black History month we covered the Civil Rights movement when we got to that time period in American History in high school, why should there be another month dedicated solely to that event when you already go over it in a regular course of study in the first place purely because it has to do with Black people? Nothing. Why don't all the other significant NON-Black events on the same scale or MORE important even, than the Civil Rights movement not get a month of thier own just because they didn't involve any black people. Why is it when we go over the Civil War, which covered black involvement when I went to school in a regular course of study, get special treatment for a month focusing ONLY on the black participation, why doesn't the white participation get thier own month instead of the glancing over they both (Whites and Blacks) get during the coverage of the Civil War in regular course study? None.
And in reference why should a year of study on Black History, specifically Blacks, be required to graduate? Absolutely nothing, they didn't do anything special over any other group of people, why do they get an exlusive year when they can be, and usually are, covered over a regular course of study along with everyone else. You can't use "They had to deal with slavery and oppression" as an excuse because that applies to a LOT more than just blacks, and the slavery period didn't really have an significant Black advancements by it's very nature. So all you are doing by grinding thier servitute into a year of study is keeping the mistakes of the past fresh in young minds so that it may continue to be abused via victimization. It's stupid.
And as far as your civil rights landmarks, those can be covered in the regular course of study, why are they somehow deserving of thier special month where they are recognized. Why are woman left out of this, or native Americans? I mean come on... It's racist plain and simple, and it's racism propogated by the black community. Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 06-12-2005 at 04:05 PM.
