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Topic: Needin some help here... Thought I would ask you all
SavageCheesecake
Pancake
posted 04-18-2004 10:00:45 PM
Alright... I'm writing a paper here and my mind just sorta shut down about the whole issue. I'm looking to you guys for fresh ideas... - Why is slander bad? What constitutes slander? Stuff like that... need a load of bullshit I can shovel into my paper, heh.
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Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 04-18-2004 10:02:15 PM
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-18-2004 10:03:23 PM
A few basic notions:

-Slander is bad because it replaces intelligent debate with name-calling.

-Slander is an avoidance of the issue to attack the opposing person.

Zair
The Imp
posted 04-18-2004 10:03:57 PM
Does this have anything to do with you "slandering" that teacher, as you mentioned in that other thread?
SavageCheesecake
Pancake
posted 04-18-2004 10:04:41 PM
Lol very funny. Been on google for about 2 hours now. Have a whole page of stuff. I just need another and since I respect the intellect of most people here I came here. I thank anyone who bothers to add any insight on the topic.
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SavageCheesecake
Pancake
posted 04-18-2004 10:05:31 PM
quote:
Does this have anything to do with you "slandering" that teacher, as you mentioned in that other thread?

Yes indeed it does

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Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 04-18-2004 11:03:20 PM
quote:
Aw, geez, I have Mr. Parcelan all over myself!
A few basic notions:

-Slander is bad because it replaces intelligent debate with name-calling.

-Slander is an avoidance of the issue to attack the opposing person.


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Sean
posted 04-19-2004 12:41:30 AM
quote:
Karnaj's account was hax0red to write:
Poopface. LALALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE A POOPFACE!

Isn't that libel?

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 04-19-2004 12:45:57 AM
quote:
Sean had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Isn't that libel?

Sadly, that was the best line from Spiderman.

"It's slander!"
"IT IS NOT! I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's 'libel'."

Snoota fucked around with this message on 04-19-2004 at 12:46 AM.

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 04-19-2004 12:48:39 AM
quote:
And coming in at #1 is Sean with "Reply." I'm Casey Casem.
Isn't that libel?

Fine. I just called you a poopface out loud.

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 04-19-2004 12:48:39 AM
yeah one is in print the other is spoken word.
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Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 04-19-2004 12:51:22 AM
So libel isnt as serious or someting?
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 04-19-2004 12:54:40 AM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Elvish Crack Piper:
So libel isnt as serious or someting?

Libel is writing false information that damages a person's reputation. If the damage to their reputation is aggravated or causes them the loss of income or property wrongly, it's legally actionable.

Same thing with slander. Though slander without witnesses is almost by definition hearsay.

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Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 04-19-2004 01:02:49 AM
quote:
So quoth Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:

Same thing with slander. Though slander without witnesses is almost by definition hearsay.

makes me think of Mage: the Ascension...

does slander with witnesses give you an arseload of paradox?




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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 04-19-2004 01:08:26 AM
quote:
Gunslinger Moogle had this to say about (_|_):
makes me think of Mage: the Ascension...

does slander with witnesses give you an arseload of paradox?


Not if it's a voting year. Then it's considered coincidental.

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Abbikat
Tastes best with pudding
posted 04-19-2004 06:54:57 AM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Not if it's a voting year. Then it's considered coincidental.

I thought if it was a voting year then it was considered normal political debate..




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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 04-19-2004 08:50:46 AM
quote:
Abbikat had this to say about pies:
I thought if it was a voting year then it was considered normal political debate..

...Hence the fact it's coincidental and does not accrue paradox penalties. You really must read the rules.

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Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 04-19-2004 09:40:35 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote:
Libel is writing false information that damages a person's reputation. If the damage to their reputation is aggravated or causes them the loss of income or property wrongly, it's legally actionable.

Same thing with slander. Though slander without witnesses is almost by definition hearsay.


Hearsay is any out of court statement offered for its truth -- it is generally inadmissible because it can't be verified without calling the person who said it to the stand, and then it's not hearsay anymore. Hearsay is hearsay no matter how many people heard it -- the rule applies whether or not witnesses were present. There are some exceptions, but that's what it is.

Hearsay is one of those overused legal terms that no one know the real meaning of (including many lawyers).

Slander is a false oral statement that damages a reputation. It's harder to prove because of the need to find witnesses. Libel is similar and has to do with printed materials, and both fall under the general term of "defamtion," which is the term of art now. There's a debate as to online chat rooms and the like -- is that libel or slander?

Truth of the statement is a complete defense to both, subject to Hepps (a decision involving public figures). Items that are a matter of opinion are often not actionable. The standards for libel and slander are higher if the person whose reputation is damaged is a public figure -- the law almost says 'you asked for it'.

Gydyon fucked around with this message on 04-19-2004 at 09:42 AM.

Gydyon
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Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 04-19-2004 03:11:35 PM
So, saying "Britney Spears is a cock" wouldn't be actionable, but saying "Britney Spears HAS a cock" would?
Gydyon
Yes, I am a lawyer. No you can't sue them for that. Shut up, or I'll have your legs broken.
posted 04-19-2004 03:32:12 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
So, saying "Britney Spears is a cock" wouldn't be actionable, but saying "Britney Spears HAS a cock" would?

Possibly, but as a public figure it's a lot harder to prove. And, again, truth is a defense.

Gydyon
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Delphi Aegis
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posted 04-19-2004 03:34:21 PM
quote:
Gydyon's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Possibly, but as a public figure it's a lot harder to prove. And, again, truth is a defense.

Oh, so I guess I should stop photoshopping bulges into random shots of britney spears, then?

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