How retarded is this? In another 10 years, every kid who uses our pathetic excuse for a public school system will end up in prison, because that's how they treat kids nowadays.
If I were in Texas, I'd be even moreso pissed. They call the cops if kids talkback or have food fights?? O_o
I can understand the zero tolerance policy, but then when you start getting paranoid and accusing that every 16 year old is out drinking at football games, then you're just plain stupid.
edit: Wait, carrying a pager through school is enough to warrant police? I understand the whole "no skateboard" if some guy uses it to smish a guys head in, but the pager?
I dunno... Lechium fucked around with this message on 04-18-2004 at 02:45 PM.
The whole thing seems to be falling to shit. I suppose every generation thinks that, though.
Katy is full of nutjobs. Seriously, they are all whacko super rich. (For the most part) and everyone made fun of Katy ISD when I was in school.
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"The intent of our policy is to create a learning environment," KISD spokesman Steve Stanford said. "If a kid flicked a french fry at another kid, you're not going to call the police."
Flip these paragraphs and this makes no sense...
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"We make it a very positive experience to start the day," the principal said.The entrance to the discipline school is monitored by a security guard and blocked by a metal detector, where the students line up every morning to be searched before they can enter. Bing and other faculty members greet the students as they lift up their shirts and pants, empty their pockets and take off their shoes.
And one Representative who's on the right side...
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"I have not been a fan of zero tolerance because it implies or requires zero thinking," said state Rep. Harold Dutton, D-Houston. "If we have adults who can't apply discipline in a reasonable fashion, then we've got problems with the adults, not with the children."
It's really scary to see stuff like this because these are the entry-level workers of the future. If this type of situation is not handled well during one's formative years, then we, as managers, will have some tough problems on our hands.
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"We make it a very positive experience to start the day," the principal said.
The entrance to the discipline school is monitored by a security guard and blocked by a metal detector, where the students line up every morning to be searched before they can enter. Bing and other faculty members greet the students as they lift up their shirts and pants, empty their pockets and take off their shoes.
Yeah although fliping them it doesn't hold up, that description there is of the entrance to the Disciplinary School, not the regular ISD school. Disciplinary Schools in Texas are like Juvinile Hall. So in THAT case, at least I can understand the thorough searches because it's a detention center type invironment. You are going to be on lockdown. We had one of those schools next to my Highschool, and it is where the criminal elements of my school district had to go to school.
Now of course why they were sent there in the first place is an entirely different issue. Conditions there shouldn't exactly be lax for what the school is initially for. The only issue with it is why the students are there to begin with.
Most schools have at least metal detectors in major cities now though, and to a degree that is understandable with the sheer potential for weapon violence. They aren't going to impede or hinder any student in any way unless they are like, actually carrying a firearm to school.
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Phony Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Zero tolorence is great it allows them to kick out anyone they wnat under false charges. All you gotta do is say they did it no proof needed. Sure you should have proof but often its Nothing but whitepaper.
haha, and you have the audacity to make fun of others.
assface
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Reynar had this to say about Knight Rider:
In another 10 years, every kid who uses our pathetic excuse for a public school system will end up in prison, because that's how they treat kids nowadays.
I was under the impression that they already were. California should just give up the pretense and merge the Dept. of Ed and the Dept. of Corrections and be done with it.
At least then schools would get increased funding every year instead of yearly budget slashing.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Dr. Gee said:
I was under the impression that they already were. California should just give up the pretense and merge the Dept. of Ed and the Dept. of Corrections and be done with it.At least then schools would get increased funding every year instead of yearly budget slashing.
Well, it is california after all...
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Dr. Gee was naked while typing this:
I was under the impression that they already were. California should just give up the pretense and merge the Dept. of Ed and the Dept. of Corrections and be done with it.At least then schools would get increased funding every year instead of yearly budget slashing.
And convicts have to teach unruly students for as their punishment! Excellent idea!
"I'm going to sentence you...
Convict thinks "Oh man, here comes life.."
teaching 3rd grade!" Skaw fucked around with this message on 04-18-2004 at 03:40 PM.
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Dr. Gee had this to say about Tron:
I was under the impression that they already were. California should just give up the pretense and merge the Dept. of Ed and the Dept. of Corrections and be done with it.At least then schools would get increased funding every year instead of yearly budget slashing.
Except that all of California isn't Compton.
I went to Carlsbad High School in Carlsbad, CA and for the most part it was a pleasant experience. Head right down the road to Oceanside however and you're likely to get stabbed for wearing the wrong color.
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Kermitov painfully thought these words up:
Except that all of California isn't Compton.I went to Carlsbad High School in Carlsbad, CA and for the most part it was a pleasant experience. Head right down the road to Oceanside however and you're likely to get stabbed for wearing the wrong color.
That's my point. The school district (here in San Diego at least) treats all schools as if every school was in Compton. Relying on Zero Tolerance instead of actually using disciplinary techniques.
I'll tell a story to help prove the point.
A friend of mine did some part-time work for his dad. A large portion of his job was opening boxes to ready them for inventory. To do this job he usually kept a single blade razor in his wallet. This is the kind of razor that gets stuck into a mold and called a shaving razor. Since he spent a lot of his time in French schools, he didn't really know about the Zero Tolerance binge here in the US.
So one day, he needs to cut some papers or somthing in class. He takes out his little teensy razor to do the job rather than waiting for the class scissors to come around. A girl sitting next to him instantly flips the fuck out and goes running to the teacher. The teacher calls in the campus police, who come in, handcuff him, and escort him to the office where he is immediatly suspended.
Being the champions of Zero Tolerance they are, the school board reviews him for expulsion, and expells him on his first for having this tiny razor. This was also his first real offense beyond like, swearing or some such. His mom petitions for a reversal of the descision and the board "benevolently" decides to let him off with further suspension and having to go to counseling for his "violent behavior."
And anyone who thought i was being serious with my first post loses IRL.
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Nobody really understood why Dr. Gee wrote:
And anyone who thought i was being serious with my first post loses IRL.
Anyone who missed the fact I was joking should do the same thing.
you Skaw? Fogive me? 
Oh wait, flame thread.
So like, your mother was a town bicycle. Or something. Dr. Gee fucked around with this message on 04-18-2004 at 04:10 PM.
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Skaw stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
And convicts have to teach unruly students for as their punishment! Excellent idea!"I'm going to sentence you...
Convict thinks "Oh man, here comes life.."
teaching 3rd grade!"
Teaching kindergarden would be scarier!
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Verily, Dr. Gee doth proclaim:
And anyone who thought i was being serious with my first post loses IRL.
That's what I get for not having some coffee before I post
seriously, I just read it again and I can't even see what I was all on about.
Although I went to a private school.
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This insanity brought to you by Lenlalron Flameblaster:
Hey, I'm from Katy. Pseudo Katy.Although I went to a private school.
And now we know.
And knowing is half the battle!
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There was much rejoicing when Lenlalron Flameblaster said this:
Hey, I'm from Katy. Pseudo Katy.Although I went to a private school.
And do you deny the allegations?
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Check out the big brain on Dr. Gee!
So like, your mother was a town bicycle. Or something.
Why didn't you opt to return to the shire after helping Frodo?
Back to the Zero Wor-- I mean, Tolerance topic.
Kids'll stop being uppity of detention was more than just sitting in a room for 30 minutes after school. Make them work like slaves! Give the Janitor a 30 minute break. Skaw fucked around with this message on 04-18-2004 at 05:02 PM.
Still, it's ridiculous, and could potentially be manipulated by angry, jealous or other students to wreak havoc on others.
I can't stand Zero tolerance myself. All rules should be enforced with judgement as to the severity of the situation. It does noone any good to take an honors student or the like away from a school for bringing in something like a nail file (which was mentioned as an example in the story).
Also, the school doesn't believe in "innocent before proven guilty"? I thought one basic role of schools was the teaching of how to be a good citizen. How more unamerican can you get than ignoring the foundation of our justice system?
I know the reason why such things still stay in the school though....
Zero tolerance makes for good soundbites for legislative and school board campaigns, thus makes getting re-elected easier.
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From the book of Cherveny, chapter 3, verse 16:
Also, the school doesn't believe in "innocent before proven guilty"? I thought one basic role of schools was the teaching of how to be a good citizen. How more unamerican can you get than ignoring the foundation of our justice system?
Want another example?
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A municipal court judge threw out the charge. But KISD still sent Jewel to the discipline school
Oh yeah, respect for the whole justice system just SKYROCKETED there.
"A court said you didnt do it, and we cant prove that you did it, but you're guiilty anyway so go to prison."
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
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We were all impressed when SavageCheesecake wrote:
I currently am doing some "correctional activities" for slander cuz i joked a teacher and got overheard. Go figure.
There is no first ammendment in schools. Which in a way makes sense, and in another way is really stupid.
In regards to Zero Tolerance, it is just plain stupid. No need to elaborate, as I don't think there are any dissenting opinions in this thread....
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SavageCheesecake's fortune cookie read:
But if the entire board is against zero tolerance, and we represent the people, whered this policy come from? I thought the school boards were elected REPRESENTATIVES. The only thing they are representing at this time is stupidity.
The entire board is not representative of America. The vast majority of us are under 30, and most are even 20 or under. THere are plenty of other demographics besides age in which we aren't exactly a balanced example of the American people (not least among them that we aren't all American).
Sorry for the flamingness... I just am starting to have my fill of seeing this garbage where kids are being arrested/sued for things they usually aren't even old enough to comprehend yet.
About a year ago, she had a sixth grader come to school with bullets. Normal bullets. .22 I think. In any case, the kid had no means of firing the bullets. He wasn't threatening people or showing off. Near as she (my stepmother) was able to make out when the kid was dragged to the office, the kid had gone hunting over the fall break, had taken his bookbag, and the bullets were in there from then. The only reason anyone found out about them is that the kid was taking his book or calculator or something out and the bullets fell on the floor and the teacher freaked.
About two or three months after that, an 8th grader came to class with a clip full of 9mm rounds. He said some teenage boy had stuck them in his bookbag. His parents, when contacted, were indignant and contested the punishment levied
Third incident, another 8th grader comes to school with a .38 automatic and .22 bullets. The mentality was clearly there; gun, ammo. The fact the kid had the wrong sort of ammo was a detail. The kid wasn't a problem student, but he admitted to bringing the stuff in to show off.
All three of these students' infractions tripped off the Zero Tolerance laws. As a matter of course, all three were expelled (and couldn't go back to school the next year in that school system without passing a review by the school board), and were handed over to the police, who obviously have to do their duty.
The principal has absolutely no say in any of this stuff. Not punishment, not degree of severity. The kid who went hunting with his Dad and big brothers two weeks before and who had, unwittingly, carried three rounds of .22 ammo in his backpack's front section was treated the exact same as the one child who came to school ineptly looking for trouble. They were both treated the same as the child who was, morally and ethically, more in the middle. Summary expulsion, turned over to law enforcement, now you get to fight to stay out of a juvenile detention center and your parents fight criminal negligence charges.
In high school, way back in 1996, years before 9/11, it was made illegal to have nail clippers on the high school campus. The nail file could be used, in theory, to shiv someone. Zero Tolerance rules applied here as well. A good number of students were caught in the web for things they used to trim nails if they tore one or whatever. It wasn't until AFTER 9/11, five years after the rules were altered, that there was a stabbing on campus. A pair of female students stabbed a young man they didn't even know with the intent being to kill him returning from lunch with an independent nail file (IE a nail file not connected to nail clippers).
Should those kids caught in the zero tolerance have been punished? Did it prevent an incident from happening? No to both, but Principals, in theory the final authority at their school have been robbed of their ability to handle problems.
Fist fights in the past were relatively common. Hormone ridden boys tend to get into them in middle school. Now you get arrested and charged with assault.
It's gotten out of control. Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael fucked around with this message on 04-18-2004 at 11:34 PM.
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never mind that ive had countless small runins with school adminstation at most schools ive been too, but never for anything but stupid kid stuff, and never realy ogtten into much trouble, last year their was a fight in my old schoolone kid who was heald back like 3 years, a sophmore and like 18, picked up another kid, slammed him against the floor, the stomped his face with his foot, broke the kids glasses, left boot marks on hsi face, ahd to go tot he hospital and everything, ambulanceand police where called, kid jsut walked out of school, it was a friday, next monday he was back in class
im not a fan at all of zero tolerance policies, but the polar opisiste isnt that good either
