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Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 11-24-2003 02:33:58 PM
Personally, I believe a sexually active perosn should be tested every 5 years - weather they are sexually active with only a spouce, use protection, or whatever.

And tested for EVERYTHING.

What do you think?

I think it's in the public's best interest, myself.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 11-24-2003 02:38:19 PM
I don't know, really -- On one hand, you can never be 100% sure about anything -- your spouse may have had a one night stand and got something then.

On the other hand, if both you and your spouse were tested, neither came up with anything, and you know for a fact neither has done anything outside the relationship, there isn't much use.

Then again, I know nothing about sex and such. I'm inexperienced This is just ramblings.

Broadzilla
Pancake
posted 11-24-2003 02:39:52 PM
I think it's a good idea so people can be more cautious and think before they make the decision about having sex with someone.
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Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 11-24-2003 02:42:12 PM
I think it's a good idea that they do. But there definatly should not be any law that says so.

Not sure if that's what you were implying or not.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 11-24-2003 02:51:47 PM
I don't know if there should be a law; While I believe the results should be confidental, I also think a person should be heald responsible.

If someone has HIV/ AIDS and KNOWS THEY HAVE IT, and goes around willy nilly having sex with people without telling them, I fully believe they should be punished - it's an unknown death sentance to others.

[ 11-24-2003: Message edited by: Gikk ]

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 11-24-2003 02:56:52 PM
So who determines what is considered to be "sexually active"? And how will be determined if they were really active or not? And will those who were unlucky enough to be without sex for 5 years or more be socially branded by not having to take the test or having some paper which proves that they have taken the test?

It's a good idea on the paper, but honestly, in the case of AIDS and all other diseases transfered through sexual intercourse, 5 years are too long anyway. It would only offer a false sense of security. "Loook, I took my test two years ago. I got no aids, we can make love without protection!"

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 11-24-2003 02:58:57 PM
How about yearly?

And everyone; age 0 to death.

Would that be better?

At least for AIDS.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 11-24-2003 03:02:44 PM
quote:
Gikk had this to say about Pirotess:
How about yearly?

And everyone; age 0 to death.

Would that be better?

At least for AIDS.


If you want to be certain you'd have to take the test everytime you have had sex. However, if you're living in some kind of relationship and your partner isn't cheating the test would be superfluous.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Mod
Pancake
posted 11-24-2003 03:25:15 PM
I wouldn't mind testing if a girlfriend asked me to, however I don't think goverment should get involved here unless someone is knowlingly exposing you to a disease by lying to you about it. I prefer not to have a huge database of everyone's STDs in goverment hands, hints would start slipping as to whom one should not employ because he's kicking the bucket in five years anyway.

[ 11-24-2003: Message edited by: Shazorx / Modrakien ]

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Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 11-24-2003 03:33:24 PM
quote:
Gikk's fortune cookie read:
I don't know if there should be a law; While I believe the results should be confidental, I also think a person should be heald responsible.

If someone has HIV/ AIDS and KNOWS THEY HAVE IT, and goes around willy nilly having sex with people without telling them, I fully believe they should be punished - it's an unknown death sentance to others.


Well I would definatly be against having a law that required this. Though I think it's good to do if you 'get around' so to speak.

If someone does have HIV and knowingly has sex with multiple partners to spread it they usually do is prosecuted if it can be proven. I know here in Michigan there has been a case or two regarding this matter.

Knowingly giving someone that disease has been previously ruled as illegal, as it should be.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-24-2003 03:40:37 PM
Ultimately, it's in the hands of the person being tested, as it should be.

If Lyinar asked me every five years to get an HIV/AIDS test, I'd be insulted. I've never cheated on her and vice versa. So while I think that if you've had a wild and crazy set of college years it might be a good idea (for peace of mind if nothing else), I don't think that requiring it every five years.

Far as I know, someone with HIV/AIDS who knowingly has unprotected sex with someone and gets them infected is charged with murder. Happened a few years back (though one of the guy's victims blew him away before he got to enjoy prison). I imagine someone could be charged with accidental manslaughter or something if they didn't know.

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Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 11-24-2003 03:45:01 PM
My original question was for STDs, as well; Hepatitis can live on surfaces for 2 months, in .00004 ml of blood.

I would want to check on all the stuff, peronsally. =/

Alek
Not The Rapist
posted 11-24-2003 03:48:30 PM
I'd say testing every time you switch partners, be it 5 years or 5 days.
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-Proverbs 4:8-9
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-24-2003 03:52:01 PM
quote:
Gikk said this about your mom:
My original question was for STDs, as well; Hepatitis can live on surfaces for 2 months, in .00004 ml of blood.

I would want to check on all the stuff, peronsally. =/


Keep in mind that Hepatitis can be passed by means other than sexual transmission, as can AIDS (though the occurrence of transfusion-related AIDS infection is at an all time low, there's still junkies with needles, etc).

It sounds more and more like what you really want is a full regular blood workup, which anyone can have done (usually at additional personal cost) with an annual physical (which people should get anyway). But given that most insurance wouldn't cover a blood workup without cause, and having blood work done is expensive, most people opt not to unless they're already sick or the like.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
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Gikk
SCA babe!!!
posted 11-24-2003 03:57:02 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Keep in mind that Hepatitis can be passed by means other than sexual transmission, as can AIDS (though the occurrence of transfusion-related AIDS infection is at an all time low, there's still junkies with needles, etc).

It sounds more and more like what you really want is a full regular blood workup, which anyone can have done (usually at additional personal cost) with an annual physical (which people should get anyway). But given that most insurance wouldn't cover a blood workup without cause, and having blood work done is expensive, most people opt not to unless they're already sick or the like.


My point is that (not to be the "OMG I MUST LIVE IN A BUBBLE THERE ARE GERMS EVERYWHERE!") but... you can get non-curable diseases from things other then sex. Tattoos, If you got a blood transfusion before 1987, or syringes, or many many other ways. I honestly would ask my sig. other if he would get tested - not because I don't sexually trust him, but because you never know. I don't see why you should be uptight about it.
A full blood workup every 5 years wouldn't be a bad plan, in my opinion.

nem-x
posted 11-24-2003 04:04:42 PM
I have a certified license for sex.
Snugglits
I LIKE TO ABUSE THE ALERT MOD BUTTON AND I ENJOY THE FLAVOR OF SWEET SWEET COCK.
posted 11-24-2003 04:08:27 PM
No, I don't like that idea. Disease tests are meant to overshow positive results so they show fewer positives as negatives (better to show negatives as positives). However, this effect would create a lot of unnecessary panic because there would be so many more people taking it. You'd end up having to do retests and everything. In general, for all the added panic and costs, it doesn't sound like a good idea.

Disease tests are not meant to be used on a larger scale like this. They just aren't.

[ 11-24-2003: Message edited by: Oscar 3/Xray 1 ]

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-24-2003 04:11:50 PM
Depends on how you go about it, I suppose. Some people don't like needles (Lyinar, for instance, who had extensive chemo as a child is scared to death of needles), and pressing them or guilting them into getting unnecessary blood tests would get pretty old pretty quick. The fact is that, generally speaking, people don't need annual blood tests or whatever. The exceptions are people who travel in other countries (especially African countries, the Middle East, etc), and people who are regularly exposed to bad health conditions (medical staff, people living in squalor, etc). And generally speaking the people who need that sort of regular non-STD-related blood work done get it. Or it becomes rapidly apparent when you get sick, at which point the issue becomes containment.

Mandated regular blood tests are invasive and violate personal civil rights. You can't make someone else do it without a court order, even if you honestly mean well. The fact is that for a lot of things (especially STD's) there's a certain amount of "let the buyer beware" involved. If you're not positive of someone's sexual history, or aren't comfortable with their sexual history, don't have sex with them. Don't put yourself in a situation where you might expose yourself. Public institutions like colleges already require you to have certain vaccinations, etc. When a company sends you to X country known for malarial problems, they issue preventative measures, etc. And at some point that has to be enough, or you have to take yourself out of the situation.

Likewise, it's rude, and I would feel like an ass if I pressured someone into getting blood work done and it came back clear on all counts. I'm not talking about "Hey you had a wild life, I had a wild life, let's get ourselves tested before we settle into things". I'm talking about haranguing someone who you deep down don't really think has anything into getting a bloodtest just to satisfy your germophobic paranoia. (Note use of infinitive "you" here, rather than you personally, Gikk.)

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Jajahotep
Vader to Deth's Obi-wan
posted 11-24-2003 04:23:33 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Alek Saege said this:
I'd say testing every time you switch partners, be it 5 years or 5 days.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-24-2003 04:24:32 PM
quote:
Jajahotep was listening to Cher while typing:
[QB][/QB]

Going to fork over the money for it?

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
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Jajahotep
Vader to Deth's Obi-wan
posted 11-24-2003 04:30:02 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Going to fork over the money for it?

If I were starting a new relationship where I thought it would lead to intimacy, I would willingly pay for the testing to be done. I would also hope that my partner would have enough respect to do so also.

As for forking over money, you can go to the health department for free testing.

Tareshinal
Pancake
posted 11-24-2003 04:38:02 PM
quote:
Far as I know, someone with HIV/AIDS who knowingly has unprotected sex with someone and gets them infected is charged with murder. Happened a few years back (though one of the guy's victims blew him away before he got to enjoy prison). I imagine someone could be charged with accidental manslaughter or something if they didn't know.[/QB]

Its charged as Manslaughter (not accidental, if you know you have it, if you dont know, like you havn't had a blood test in a while, then its accidental manslaughter), victims get Pain and suffering fees, as well as any medical fees they need for regular check ups and pills which slow down the spreading and since all it really does is destroy your immune system they give you pills to help with your immune system, I think they end up putting you on 5-20 (it depends on the stage of the disease) different pills and they rotate them out every so many months.


(I knew I learned something in that worthless health class last year)

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 11-24-2003 05:02:58 PM
STD's, they're so cheap I'm literally giving them away.
Snugglits
I LIKE TO ABUSE THE ALERT MOD BUTTON AND I ENJOY THE FLAVOR OF SWEET SWEET COCK.
posted 11-24-2003 05:07:36 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Mortious:
STD's, they're so cheap I'm literally giving them away.

Mortious, nobody wants to attend your annual blowout.

[b].sig removed by Mr. Parcelan[/b]
Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 11-24-2003 06:49:17 PM
quote:
Gikk spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Personally, I believe a sexually active perosn should be tested every 5 years - weather they are sexually active with only a spouce, use protection, or whatever.

And tested for EVERYTHING.

What do you think?

I think it's in the public's best interest, myself.


I think no.

I don't like the idea of making a law saying everyone must be tested for this or that. That could just start a downward spiral of new things being added that people must be tested for "In the best interest of the public."

Jajahotep
Vader to Deth's Obi-wan
posted 11-24-2003 08:06:00 PM
quote:
Oscar 3/Xray 1 had this to say about Cuba:
Mortious, nobody wants to attend your annual blowout.

You have no idea what I thought you said.

Sean
posted 11-24-2003 08:13:31 PM
quote:
Jajahotep had this to say about Tron:
You have no idea what I thought you said.

He did say it.

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Snugglits
I LIKE TO ABUSE THE ALERT MOD BUTTON AND I ENJOY THE FLAVOR OF SWEET SWEET COCK.
posted 11-24-2003 09:14:18 PM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Jajahotep wrote:
You have no idea what I thought you said.

Haha, I realized that after I typed it.

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Y.O.T.C
No longer a Towel Girl
posted 11-24-2003 09:22:35 PM
I get tested every month when i get my blood drawn for my ulcer/high blood preasure/possible liver problem after-affects of acutane(probaly sp). It's free so why not.
Ares
posted 11-24-2003 10:02:59 PM
quote:
Hello Cuthy impressed everyone with:
I get tested every month when i get my blood drawn for my ulcer/high blood preasure/possible liver problem after-affects of acutane(probaly sp). It's free so why not.

Acutane is baaaad shit.. My sister was on it for awhile. thankfully, she went off it.


I dunno.. I mean, I trust my BF and I would hope that he loves me enough to never put me into that kindof danger. I think that if the couple decides it, then go for it. But don't get the government involved.

LostFizodeth
Pancake
posted 11-25-2003 03:07:12 AM
I could see the merit in it. My high school has bi-annual blood drives, and this last one they had, 45% of the blood was infected with AIDs.
Hostile Makeover
Evil as chocolate covered thistles
posted 11-25-2003 06:41:23 AM
Speaking for myself, I get tested once a year.
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 11-25-2003 07:16:17 AM
I agree with Trent. Too much bad that could be done with it. Where does it stop, as he said, with things "being in the best interest of the public"?

Plus I find it rather rude, too. I've questioned Deth extensively over time about his past history, as he has me. Not like twenty questions, but I've asked what I wanted to know. I'm satisfied that he's taken the proper precautions to protect himself, and I won't insult him by demanding a test.

If I wasn't this comfortable with it, I just wouldn't have sex. Or I would at least explain my doubts in an adult manner and politely request that he get a test. If he wasn't willing too, then I wouldn't go through with it.

You have to remember that there's a certain amount of personal responsibility in getting an STD as well, Gikk. It isn't always the fault of the one carrying it.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

BeauChan
Objects in sigpic may be hammier than they appear
posted 11-25-2003 07:17:20 AM
every time you change partners is a good idea.
Endured by EC for over 7 years and counting...
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Pancake
posted 11-25-2003 08:20:22 AM
quote:
LostFizodeth stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
I could see the merit in it. My high school has bi-annual blood drives, and this last one they had, 45% of the blood was infected with AIDs.

45% of your school has AIDS? WTF?

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
LeMiere
posted 11-25-2003 10:13:44 AM
Get tested after each sexual encounter with a new person.

I say get tested every goddamned year. Or more than that. Don't wait for five feckin' years... that's murder, yo. (Depending on how many lovers you have that is... some more than others.)

Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 11-25-2003 10:53:08 AM
I have been tested once. About 3 months ago a friend found out she had Herpes. We slept together about 4 years ago. And while I was 99% sure she could not have had it that long I went ahead and got tested durring my normal physical. I am very careful about who I sleep with so I consider myself a bit more safe. However no one is completely safe.
"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 11-25-2003 11:24:47 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Azizza said:
I have been tested once. About 3 months ago a friend found out she had Herpes. We slept together about 4 years ago. And while I was 99% sure she could not have had it that long I went ahead and got tested durring my normal physical. I am very careful about who I sleep with so I consider myself a bit more safe. However no one is completely safe.

About 80% of the world population has herpes. Oh no.

[ 11-25-2003: Message edited by: Tarquinn ]

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Fizodeth
an unflattering title
posted 11-25-2003 11:46:02 AM
quote:
Shazorx / Modrakien's account was hax0red to write:
45% of your school has AIDS? WTF?

45% of the blood, not the school. Some people donated 2 bags, other people were stingy with their blood.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 11-25-2003 01:41:11 PM
quote:
LostFizodeth was listening to Cher while typing:
I could see the merit in it. My high school has bi-annual blood drives, and this last one they had, 45% of the blood was infected with AIDs.

Holy shit

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