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heo muyashi dan
Pancake
posted 10-31-2003 01:41:26 AM
Hello again, all. I have a report I need some help with. Here's the premise:

Choose a world issue that you feel strongly about (Overpopulation) and find out peoples oppinions. Also, formulate strategies to solve the problem. An informal essay is fine.

So, yeah..dealing with the first part...whats everyone's view on overpopulation, and do y'all have any ideas about how to stop it from happening? Thanks in advance, all. {^_^}

Don't have, respect, for the world around me. Don't wanna live, with this death about me. Just wanna run, wanna give it all away...
(Give it---By Me.)
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 10-31-2003 01:44:34 AM
Chop up the really stupid people and feed them to the less stupid people as food.

Meanwhile the smart people will enslave everyone else, and torture sessions will be tech support call roleplaying, supervised by Khyron and Maradon for historical accuracy.

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 10-31-2003 01:48:14 AM
You're typing much nicer. No longer do you have the bane of the red dot.

And on overpopulation, if everyone didn't have 2.5 kids there wouldn't be a problem. 1 kid per family for awhile and no longer will we have this problem of humans up to your arm pits.

Matilda Jane
ph33r my MIRVs
posted 10-31-2003 02:00:09 AM
Tubal ligation
Vasectomy
Education on use of contraceptives
Abortion

Not necessarily in that order. You could go a little further and have the government force abortions or set limits on the amount of children a family is allowed.

uwu

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Mooj
Scorned Fanboy
posted 10-31-2003 02:05:15 AM
Oh, there's something that could easily be done that would do wonders for overpopulation.

If Governments would start offering people incentives to permanently sterilize themselves.

Offer people a considerable sum of money to remove themselves from the gene pool. Many people who we don't want breeding would stop if offered cash, and being Childfree would no longer be looked down on.

Of course, there would be plenty of people up in arms about it... But something needs to be done. The planet cannot support the growth rate we've got. Something's gotta give...

Zair
The Imp
posted 10-31-2003 02:08:53 AM
The Catholic church's war against birth control and abortions certainly doesn't help.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 10-31-2003 03:09:36 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Zair said this:
The Catholic church's war against birth control and abortions certainly doesn't help.

But it really doesn't stop anyone, does it? Quit looking for reasons to bash religions.

Anyways, in order for there to be a "cure" to overpopulation, one of three things would have to happen:

-The entire world would have to give a united "Woah! Is THIS what we've been doing?" and wise up.

-There would have to be a law against having sex that everyone would freely follow.

-We'd have to eradicate key individuals as a routine.

None of these are going to happen.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 10-31-2003 03:42:53 AM
Safely reversible deactivation of reproductive systems combined with legal controls. I'm not talking about making it so you can't have sex. Just turning off the ability to procreate for a while. No more unwanted kids, for one thing.

And there'd have to be legal controls. "Hey you guys can have 2 kids. After that, you have to get clearance for a third (not actually restrict people legally from having them, but require them to sign a voucher stating that they understand what's going to happen legally), and understand that your taxes, etc will be higher. If a child dies, you will of course be allowed to have another." Too many people 1. get too much damned money for uncontrollably having too many kids from the government and 2. have kids and then ignore them or don't take responsibility for them.

That's what you'd have to do. Unfortunately it won't ever happen/there's no way to get everyone on board.

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Talonus
Loner
posted 10-31-2003 07:28:18 AM
quote:
We were all impressed when Zair wrote:
The Catholic church's war against birth control and abortions certainly doesn't help.

They also don't want you having sex before marriage or having sex without the purpose of conception. In other words, they only want you to have sex so you can have a kid. Look at how much people listen to that. Bring your bashing somewhere else please.

Back on topic, some countries have implemented legal measures. You can have X amount of kids, but if you have any more you are fined and have to pay more taxes. Basically tries to make you avoid having a child unless you really want to have one.

Zair
The Imp
posted 10-31-2003 09:22:33 AM
Just to be clear, I wasn't "bashing" the catholic church. I made no judgement on whether its stance on contraceptives was good or bad. I simply state that abstinence only education leads to more unwanted pregnancies.

Part of the topic was asking for ways to help fight overpopulation. I believe that getting rid of abstinence only education and replacing it with sexual education that teaches abstinence AND the use of contraceptives would help.

[ 10-31-2003: Message edited by: Zair ]

Peter
Pancake
posted 10-31-2003 10:51:38 AM
A Big Fricking War will do wonders on lowering the pop count.

Verylong term would be to try to colonize/terraform Venus, possibly Mars.

Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 10-31-2003 10:58:38 AM
Do like they did on one of the alternate worlds in Sliders: Have a lottery. Everyone who is picked is treated like big big jackpot lottery winners for a week, then executed.
Cookie Goddess Supreme
Furry Kitsune of Power!
Pouncer of the 12th degree!
"Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
Translated: "Sell your soul for a cookie?"
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 10-31-2003 11:08:22 AM
The world is overpopulated?
That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Hireko
Kill a fish before breakfast each day
posted 10-31-2003 11:34:04 AM
I think government rewards for voluntary sterilization are the way to go. If you don't need them, you can afford to support the little buggers probably.
Those who dance are thought insane by those who can't hear the music.
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 10-31-2003 11:41:17 AM
But not having kids is already a way to have more money.

Poor people still do it.

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
heo muyashi dan
Pancake
posted 10-31-2003 12:54:03 PM
Thanks for the input, all. Please keep it coming. I've got another week to gather responses before I must start the actual paper, and so far this has been the most productive way. {^_^}
So having been said, off to the NYPIRG conference.


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(Vanishes, leaving a black rose behind.)

Don't have, respect, for the world around me. Don't wanna live, with this death about me. Just wanna run, wanna give it all away...
(Give it---By Me.)
Ace in the Spade
Pancake
posted 10-31-2003 01:12:40 PM
Hmm, don't really need controls on over population. Biggest thing probably would be medicine and internation orginization promotoing over population.
If our average life expectancies decreased we'd die off a lot quicker. But then we'd breed ore as a people in reaction to it so scratch that.

Medicine. Before we used to have plagues every so often, those always did the trick of the reset button. Agriculture etc have really helped out the reduction of famines.

Also wars were always good scources for population controls.

Mostly though in this age the biggest thing thats going to effect population are diseases. Namely aids at the moment. Watch Africa in about 10 years or so. I think its like 1/3 to 2/3 of many African countries are infected with aids.

Also eventually people cap out a land's capacity to feed that population, due to globalization we've negated this effect to some degree.

Natural diasters played roles, but except for earthquakes and tornados/hurricanes they don't have much effect.

I'd say biggest thing now is like what China is doing to curb over population. But at the moment we down really have over population. The world is far from being overly populated, what the problem is, is that people are congregating in areas far to densely. That the best solution, relocating people into more unsettled areas etc. If the population densities were spread out much more then the cramping effect felt in many cities would be far less aparent.

Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.
Drysart
Pancake
posted 10-31-2003 02:05:27 PM
quote:
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But it really doesn't stop anyone, does it? Quit looking for reasons to bash religions.

Actually, it does. The Catholic Church is doing a lot of work in Africa and their missionaries are not introducing people to the concept of contraceptives. As a result, two things are happening: a population boom, and unchecked spread of HIV.

Not to mention the small, but not insignificant number of people in more developed countries who won't use birth control because the church said not to. Religion may not dictate such details in your life, but it does in the lives of many others. The church's stance against birth control has also led "christian scientists" to extoll the many imagined health risks of birth control, scaring even more people away from it. And then there's the fact that the religious right has crusaded against proper education about birth control, to the point where they don't even teach you how to use a condom in school -- a stance that I can guarantee you is based on the church's viewpoint on the matter.

Don't underestimate the impact of human stupidity, nor the impact of religion on wielding the power of that stupidity.

[ 10-31-2003: Message edited by: Drysart ]

Lalamile
My title doesn't even make sense any more
posted 10-31-2003 06:18:05 PM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about (_|_):
1 kid per family for awhile and no longer will we have this problem of humans up to your arm pits.

Good Idea, REALLY bad in practice. China is being raped by the policy. Yes, it reduced population growth. But, what if the child isn't what the parents wanted, a girl, rather than a boy? That is what is happening in China, a large portion of girl's born are abandoned, and often die. Those that are found, and put in orphaniges, are often adopted by parents in different nations. Soon china will be faced with a disporportion in its population, like %5 more men then women. Its not hard to see the problems that will lead to.

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 10-31-2003 06:19:50 PM
Fighs to the death over women?

That could curb the population.

So could a revolution

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Lalamile
My title doesn't even make sense any more
posted 10-31-2003 06:23:26 PM
Just a random note on africa, right now, it has the largest population growth in the world. Its about to stop. AIDS is going to do that shorly, and with all the growth in africa will just be working to replace the people lost to AIDS. Ya....
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 10-31-2003 06:24:59 PM
So your saying we should infect china?
(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-31-2003 07:50:15 PM
quote:
We were all impressed when Elvish Crack Piper wrote:
So your saying we should infect china?


Actually, it kinda sounds like Sashu is saying Nature keeps shit in balance in its own way.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 10-31-2003 11:49:42 PM
quote:
Naimah Model 2000 was programmed to say:
You're typing much nicer. No longer do you have the bane of the red dot.

And on overpopulation, if everyone didn't have 2.5 kids there wouldn't be a problem. 1 kid per family for awhile and no longer will we have this problem of humans up to your arm pits.


The main problem is in Africa and such where the average birth rate is ~8.7 children per woman (that's the last figured I heard, anyway)

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 10-31-2003 11:54:52 PM
quote:
Karnaj stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
The world is overpopulated?

I think the thought of the world population doubling in the last 50 years should cause at least a bit of concern

Talonus
Loner
posted 11-01-2003 09:34:47 AM
quote:
Drysart had this to say about (_|_):
Destroyer of Worlds

*sighs* The title is so true.

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