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Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 10-04-2003 08:31:18 PM
Fun game. Pretty game. Big problem.

I use the 'enter' key to jump in nearly every game I play. It's what I'm used to and it's how I like it (No 'WASD si bettar' crap, I like the way I play and I ain't changing just 'cuz other people like WASD or whatever better).

HALO locks the enter key. It messes me up big-time. Every other game I play doesn't lock it, but Halo just HAS to lock the one damn key I need.

So I'm thinking of a workaround - most games have a keybinds file that can be manually edited. I'll just edit mine... except I can't find it!

Anyone here know where it is or how to work around this issue?

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 10-04-2003 08:33:54 PM
If it had a console of some sort, I'd suggest fiddling around until you find the closest thing to the "bind" command, but as of yet, I'm not entirely sure what engine they're running.

Maybe Gamefaqs can help. Or something.

Led
*kaboom*
posted 10-04-2003 08:52:39 PM
Bwahahaha.
Akiraiu Zenko
Is actually a giddy schoolgirl
posted 10-04-2003 08:58:17 PM
WASD si bettar!
The artist formerly known as Zephyer Kyuukaze.
Lalamile
My title doesn't even make sense any more
posted 10-04-2003 09:03:02 PM
quote:
Zephyer Kyuukaze had this to say about John Romero:
WASD si bettar!
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 10-04-2003 09:10:46 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Zephyer Kyuukaze stammered:
WASD si bettar!
BacardiMunch
Wise enough not to pee on the electric fence?
posted 10-04-2003 09:26:29 PM
WASD cures cancer!
Suddar
posted 10-04-2003 09:29:15 PM
quote:
FrostyMunch's account was hax0red to write:
WASD cures cancer!

WASD made me fertile!

I'm PREGNANT!!!!! :D :D :D

Ryuujin
posted 10-04-2003 09:39:23 PM
quote:
Suddar had this to say about dark elf butts:
WASD made me fertile!

I'm PREGNANT!!!!!


the horror.

Skaw
posted 10-04-2003 09:47:11 PM
I used to be an advocate of arrow keys, but so many LAN Parties using default keys(Which is usually WASD) got me used to WASD. Depending on the keyboard, you have access to just as many keys using the arrow keys. But now on topic. I usually have my middle mouse button bound to jump. So theres an option if you find the bind file.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 10-04-2003 09:59:38 PM
What's wrong with the space bar?
Maradon!
posted 10-04-2003 10:08:57 PM
You know, it's really almost comical how unwilling some people are to change even something as simple as a ritual keyboard layout.

It's really not that hard to get used to.

[ 10-04-2003: Message edited by: Maradon! ]

Nwist, Who?
Nwist
posted 10-04-2003 10:11:31 PM
Hallo!
Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 10-04-2003 10:53:42 PM
ESDF is the button map of kings.
Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 10-04-2003 10:59:19 PM
Maradon, if it works, what's the point?

Jedi Academy let me bind it.
Unreal 1, 2, Tournament, and Tournament 2003 let me bind it.
Quake 1, 2, and 3 let me bind it.
Tribes let me bind it.
Planetside let me bind it.
Tron 2.0 let me bind it.
Jedi Outcast let me bind it.
NOLF 1 and NOLF 2 both let me bind it.
Renegade let me bind it.
BF1942 let me bind it.
Serious Sam 1 and 2 let me bind it.

BUT HALO WILL NOT LET ME BIND IT

Clearly, Halo is an inferior game.

And screw WASD. I happen to like the way my keyboard layout is. It works and it's comfortable for my hands. It works with every DECENT game out there. So why change?

Chugga
Pancake
posted 10-04-2003 11:02:58 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Khyron was all like:
Clearly, Halo is an inferior game.

That's what everyone except the reviewers are saying.

Bummey the Fool
Prefers to play with men
posted 10-04-2003 11:05:19 PM
Try and use the right shift, it's right underneath enter
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 10-04-2003 11:06:44 PM
quote:
Bummey the Fool was listening to Cher while typing:
Try and use the right shift, it's right underneath enter

Usually I do Enter for jump, right shift for crouch, and ctrl for walk. When I don't use enter, I get confused and hit Right-shift for crouch and end up jumping =/

Dr Cysa
Angsty Mcangst
posted 10-04-2003 11:14:31 PM
I use ctrl for jumps and 0 numkey for crouch, you could try that.
I don't discriminate...I hate everyone.
Suddar
posted 10-04-2003 11:15:45 PM
quote:
Cysa Da Devil had this to say about Duck Tales:
I use ctrl for jumps and 0 numkey for crouch, you could try that.

Maybe I just have small hands, but jeez that's awkward.

Carpal tunnel syndrome ahoy.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 10-04-2003 11:18:44 PM
0 num key is what I use for, well, 'use'.

My setup works really well, when the game lets me use it, and almost no games disallow changing a bind like 'ENTER' to be jump... Halo is the first in a long, long time that hasn't let me use Enter.

Chugga
Pancake
posted 10-04-2003 11:23:33 PM
quote:
Khyron thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
0 num key is what I use for, well, 'use'.

My setup works really well, when the game lets me use it, and almost no games disallow changing a bind like 'ENTER' to be jump... Halo is the first in a long, long time that hasn't let me use Enter.


Yeah it's a pretty strange game overall, performance wise it's not too great, apparently the net code really sucks, Gearbox just didn't put enough effort into porting it. From what I read on message forums, Gearbox stated they only worked on Halo for 9 months.

Dr Cysa
Angsty Mcangst
posted 10-04-2003 11:39:10 PM
quote:
Suddar wrote this stupid crap:
Maybe I just have small hands, but jeez that's awkward.

Carpal tunnel syndrome ahoy.


I work it like this:

upkey - forward
leftkey - sidestep left
rightkey - sidestep right
downkey - backward
ctrl - jump
Rshift - turn left
Num1/end - turn right
Num0/ins - crouch
Delete - Use
End - Reload
Pagedwn - Binocs/map
num4 - misc

This keeps it so I can control all my movements and functions and aim with out much hassle. I also HATE the WASD set up...

I don't discriminate...I hate everyone.
Maradon!
posted 10-04-2003 11:53:56 PM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq Khyron booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Maradon, if it works, what's the point?

Completely avoiding your current issue, for one.

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 10-05-2003 12:01:46 AM
The big question is: Are the people using arrow keys left or right handed?

If you're right handed, it's easier to use wasd (I think) because your hands stay far apart, and your dominant hand (Right) stays on the mouse, where it's used to it.

Vice versa for lefties.

If Khyron is right handed, he's a fucking freak. And Cysa, I could bind those very same commands, but in less then half the reaching space of what you have it currently set to with WASD.

Just saying.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 10-05-2003 12:02:29 AM
quote:
Maradon! had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Completely avoiding your current issue, for one.

An issue which appears with a single game, which every other FPS recently released doesn't encounter. Therefor, yes, I blame the game, seeing as how all the GOOD ones out there don't restrict its use.

Suddar
posted 10-05-2003 12:05:52 AM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Delphi Aegis:
The big question is: Are the people using arrow keys left or right handed?

If you're right handed, it's easier to use wasd (I think) because your hands stay far apart, and your dominant hand (Right) stays on the mouse, where it's used to it.

Vice versa for lefties.


This is true. I guess it's just hard for me to accept because I've always used my mouse on the right side of my keyboard like a good little boy (technically, though, I am left handed...I use different hands for everything though, it's weird). Even so, the arrow keys are tough on the hands. It hurts for me to use them like that.

I suppose it depends on the keyboard, too.

[ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: Suddar ]

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 10-05-2003 12:08:23 AM
Holy shit, I said something smart and someone agreed with me. THE WORLD IS ENDING OH SHIT OH SHIT
Canadian Mountee
Rumble Pak+FMV Sequence=FUN!
posted 10-05-2003 12:09:25 AM
Mouse in left hand, WASD with right. Left-handed.
The World is Yours
GDJacks
Pancake
posted 10-05-2003 12:13:50 AM
Nostromo for the left hand. Mouse for the right, and to hell with developers preferences on keyboard layouts.

[ 10-05-2003: Message edited by: [PPZ]Kamikaze Gerbil ]

Maradon!
posted 10-05-2003 12:24:46 AM
quote:
Khyroning:
An issue which appears with a single game, which every other FPS recently released doesn't encounter. Therefor, yes, I blame the game, seeing as how all the GOOD ones out there don't restrict its use.

You blame the game for your inability to adapt to a keyboard layout that works with it?

The fact that you've even dedicated this much concern to the issue is absurd - if you'd dedicate half the effort you've spent on changing the binding to learning a new layout, you'd have it done by now. You'd also be one step closer to being able to play any game out of the box without wasting a single second on personalizing the key bindings.

Suddar
posted 10-05-2003 12:29:18 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Holy shit, I said something smart and someone agreed with me. THE WORLD IS ENDING OH SHIT OH SHIT

How did I know you were going to say this?

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 10-05-2003 12:30:10 AM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Maradon!!
You blame the game for your inability to adapt to a keyboard layout that works with it?

The fact that you've even dedicated this much concern to the issue is absurd - if you'd dedicate half the effort you've spent on changing the binding to learning a new layout, you'd have it done by now. You'd also be one step closer to being able to play any game out of the box without wasting a single second on personalizing the key bindings.


Whereas I'd be learning new bindings, trying to adapt to something I'm completely not used to, in lieu of keeping to what I'm used to. What I use works, and it works well for me : I get more than a few kills in the multiplayer games I play, and I do respectably well. Sometimes I get 'OMGUBERGREATKILLS' on a map, sometimes I don't. But I definitely do well enough.

Do I want to play Halo? Yes. If there's no workaround, though, I will not play it. One game alone is not enough to make me want to change the entire way I play my FPS games.

Which brings us back to the point of this thread - finding that workaround. I don't CARE if you think that WASD is the holy way, the one and only way, the true what, whatever other bullshit you say. You can sit there and preach to me about WASD until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't mean I'm magically going to see some light that makes it better - Perhaps for someone else, it is better. For me, my way is better, and I want to know how to do it my way. If I can't, then screw Halo.

Dave
)_(
posted 10-05-2003 12:39:23 AM
There must be a config file you can edit?
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 10-05-2003 12:41:54 AM
I've been trying to find it. It isn't in the Halo directory itself, and I checked documents and settings/current user/My Games/Halo/ and its subdirectories, and I couldn't find it there either.
Freedan
Pancake
posted 10-05-2003 12:51:04 AM
Just bind jump to every key between e and c, to u and m

Then when you're in a real bind and need to jump you can go~! "Quick! slam!" jump! aha!" without having to go "oh.. need to strrreetch the finger ooooover to the enter key"

Maradon!
posted 10-05-2003 12:53:53 AM
quote:
x--KhyronO-('-'Q) :
I get more than a few kills in the multiplayer games I play, and I do respectably well. Sometimes I get 'OMGUBERGREATKILLS' on a map, sometimes I don't. But I definitely do well enough.

None of which can be attributed to your keyboard layout.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 10-05-2003 01:07:22 AM
quote:
Maradon!'s fortune cookie read:
None of which can be attributed to your keyboard layout.

Exactly, so why should I switch? What I have works, and it's what I'm familiar with. It's what I'm comfortable using.

I have 5 mouse buttons (Fire, Alt-fire, reload, etc), the scroll wheel, enter for jump, shift for crouch, CTRL for walk, arrow keys to move, and INS/KP_0 for use.

It works fine for my games. I play well with it. It's both familiar, and comfortable, for me. Halo is the ONLY game that I have problems with. Would I like to play it? Yes. Is it a good enough game that I shall sit here and grow familiar with a completely new set of keybinds? No.

Naj
I asked for a title and didn't get banned!
posted 10-05-2003 01:24:48 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Sentow, Maybe said this:
ESDF is the button map of kings.
Suddar
posted 10-05-2003 01:28:45 AM
quote:
Freedan had this to say about John Romero:
Just bind jump to every key between e and c, to u and m

Then when you're in a real bind and need to jump you can go~! "Quick! slam!" jump! aha!" without having to go "oh.. need to strrreetch the finger ooooover to the enter key"


haha

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