Go Go Impressionists!

This post brought to you by 6 hours of Diablo, sleep deprivation, and the letter Q.

Stupid thing wasn't showing the names. Bah.

[ 08-07-2002: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]

Modern art is bad when its a hack, when someone can draw you a nice looking self-portrait using toothpaste, thats my kind of modern art

We live in different states, too, for a bit longer at least. So that's from our IRC chat.

We're just very good at tandem posting.

I always look at everything Deth posts on. He always looks at everything I post on. And of course we always look at threads each other starts.

And yeah, that's the point. A lot of modern art these days IS a hack. I respect the greats of the past a lot more, because it wasn't about "expressing creatively" or somesuch, it was about capturing the essence of something. I guess that's why I like the Impressionistic viewpoint best. The essence is there, even if it doesn't look exactly as it does in life. At least it looks like care and attention was put into it.

I dunno. It's 8am here. I played MP Diablo with Deth for like more than 7 hours, the last spent getting our stuff back from Demon Poison Spitting Unique Dog from Hell.

But we got it back! Take THAT, Plaguebringer!

[ 08-07-2002: Message edited by: Lyinar Ka`Bael ]

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Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Tron:
Oh, I thought I saw a picture of you two in a gown and tux somewhere once. Sorry. The same last name in EC got me believing you two were wed. Ignore me, I havent gone to slept yet and my posts are getting a ad bit inane while still eliciting actualy replies from people. I dont understand this

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That was from my IRL sister's wedding. Lyinar was one of my sister's bridesmaids. My IRL sister is "Jajahotep" around the boards. She posts now and then.

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Elvish Crack Piper wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Oh, I thought I saw a picture of you two in a gown and tux somewhere once. Sorry. The same last name in EC got me believing you two were wed. Ignore me, I havent gone to slept yet and my posts are getting a ad bit inane while still eliciting actualy replies from people. I dont understand this

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His little sister's wedding. I was a bridesmaid, he was an usher.

And it's all right. I'm rambling, too.

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Lady Leckie had this to say about Knight Rider:
I enjoy modern art, imho, you either get it or you don't.

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See that's the problem I have with it. If someone goes and makes some odd sculpture out of like, coat hangers, and calls it art, then they think anyone that doesn't see it as more than just some collection of coat hangers doesn't "get it".

But what is there to get, really? What is the essence of a lot of coat hangers put together in some weird shape? Where's the thought, the insight? Or the insight in gluing stools to a ceiling? Or painting pictures of Campbell's soup cans?

That's just not art to me. Something like that just doesn't speak to anything in me, except to say "This makes absolutely no sense at all".

Eh, Modern Art is a way to make easy easy money if you can convince people you inspired. Sadly, I have a use for PvPonline, but the strip series about Alternative comics kind of reminds me what kind of things you hate about modern art.

Fingerpainting with melted jellybeans into a layered scuplture would be some cool modern art

My Deth pinged out in IRC

I guess that's my bedtime cue. My eyes will probably still be darting from side to side, looking for the next enemy, and my hands will probably still be trying to touch the number keys frantically before I die while I'm slumbering.

7 hour Diablo run definitely not good for mental health. But neither is Customer Service. Eh.

Okay, enough rambling. I'm going to bed. G'night all.

Why arent you on to D2:Xpack so we can all twink you yet? If my account still works I have some nice zon and sorcerous stuff I dont use anymore on West.

There is even an "artist" who took photographs of thousands of people lying nude in the middle of a NYC street. Completely pointless, however since it was never done before, it's art.

It might not be too long before someone makes "art" out of severed human body parts, has an agent sell it for him, gets paroled after ten years (for the people he killed) because "it would no longer be art to do it now," and lives on to enjoy 50% of the profits from his "masterpiece".

It has been thought of, it has been created, so it's basically an invention if you kind of put it that way. Lyinar, I do agree with your sense of art, but it depends whether that artwork was a no-brainer or not. If it took a lot of talent, and a lot of imagination, it's true art.

Brain > All

Don't waste your minds on something so... simple.

[ 08-07-2002: Message edited by: Alleria Qui'farush ]

Picasso's works might look dumb to you, and Warhol's might be boring or just wierd, but there are a lot of people who look at them and see something pleasing, and that is the definition of art.

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Maradon discussed politics after typing:

"Art" is defined by how many people derive enjoyment from a work.

Picasso's works might look dumb to you, and Warhol's might be boring or just wierd, but there are a lot of people who look at them and see something pleasing, and that is the definition of art.

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Indeed.

Some guy is being heralded as a renowned genius for making a mess with some melted cheese that he flings all over the place.

If thats artistic growth, then my 3 year old is a genius... Maybe I should stop getting on to her when she flings her spegetti, and food all over the place.. I mean she could end up being the worlds youngest artistic genius! Horrah!

As an artist, as an imagineer, what they call modern art means nothing to me. The guy with the cheese fetish is an excelent example.. I see a mess. Warhol made no sense to me what so ever, save a hefty price tag. Whats even more sad is they make money, where as true ( In my opinion anyways) artist with artistic talent are dead broke, and struggle to make a living even with a day job. Yet cheese boy can make a million dollars to fling melted mozzerella all over the walls and furniture of a house.

Take a piece of canvas to the zoo and let the monkeys fling poo at it for a while, sell the masterpiece on Ebay, make millions! (Whats sad is, you probably could.)

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Maradön² obviously shouldn't have said:
"Art" is defined by how many people derive enjoyment from a work.

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And if your definition is accurate, then anything people enjoy would be called "art". Mind you, some people actually do go around calling everything, from food they like to the flowers in a field to that green awning hanging over a storefront, "art". However, those people are often refered to (whether or not the description fits) as "pansies".

I doubt most people would look at the blue rubber balls they used to throw around when they were five years old and call those toys art.

Just think about these example:
:: A man painted a white canvas completely with white paint. He then painted about a dozen more the same way. He then sold them. They are now called "art". Yet if anyone else does that, it's called "a waste of paint".
:: There was a period of at least 5 years when people threw buckets of paint at canvases and called it "art". This may still be going on. Some of this actually proves pleasant to look at, but others look only like what they are.
:: Some people create "art" with the specific intention of getting people angry.

Okay, so I can't think of all the examples I'd like to.

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Faelynn LeAndris was listening to Cher while typing:
What about the guy who covers things in cheese! No really it's true...

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I saw that. He made a cheese house once. The town it was in thought it was ridiculous and made him take it down.

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Ford Prefect said this about your mom:
Then why does "art" include things which everyone, including art critics, refers to as "hideous" and "repulsive"? Somehow, even though they call it that, they still call it "art".

And if your definition is accurate, then anything people enjoy would be called "art". Mind you, some people actually do go around calling everything, from food they like to the flowers in a field to that green awning hanging over a storefront, "art". However, those people are often refered to (whether or not the description fits) as "pansies".

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There are, of course, logical constraints on the definition. Art is obviously limited to human constructs that, at least in part, are intended to serve aesthetic sense. Art can also evoke unpleasant emotions and people will even buy it because of that.

What I see everywhere is art. It's not just what was created, or what should be seen. Everything includes all elements of art which are line, shape, value, texture, color, and form. So don't you people go thinking that "That's not art!" It truly is, but it shouldn't have that title claimed because it's so simple.

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Alleria Qui'farush had this to say about John Romero:
{some stuff about lines and form and art and nature}

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Hope they allow image linking from their site..

[ 08-07-2002: Message edited by: ImNotTrent Inc. ]

I don't really give a rat's ass about where it came from, if others thing it's hack work, if it took three seconds to make, if it's uberly-realistic or WHATTHEFUCKEVER. If I like it, I like it. If I don't, I don't. Modern art or no.

Good enough for me.

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Ford Prefect painfully thought these words up:
[QUOTE]Alleria Qui'farush had this to say about John Romero:
[qb]{some stuff about lines and form and art and nature}

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Perfect example.

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Alleria Qui'farush was naked while typing this:
Perfect example.

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Oh, the irony...

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You pansy!

[ 08-07-2002: Message edited by: Alleria Qui'farush ]

And yes, Alleria, I know from my art classes that it's about lines and texture and form and such, but I don't truly think that's what art should be about. It gives rise to too much of the things Fae and I described.

I'm not an artist. I don't consider myself one. But I'm a good bullshitter. I could fling around some paint and make up some artsy sounding excuse for it, and people would consider me an artist. But that doesn't make me an artist. It just makes me a hack. I have no real talent.

That's why I can't appreciate modern art. I don't see any real talent there, so I can't consider them real artists.

THAT's artistic genius, and what made the cambell soup a successful piece.

[ 08-08-2002: Message edited by: Dr. Pvednes, PhD ]

I had a V:tM character before named Jayde. She did extremely disturbing paintings of blood and gore and guts and demonic stuff, and then sold them to Malkavian and Toreador vampires.

She was, of course, a Ventrue. They have great business sense.

Forget who said it. But my point is that what to most people is inane crap is to other people inspired genius.

In *my* opinion, it's the difference between art and interior decorating. Splashes of paint and weird pictures of flowers just fit some design schemes. But it's not art. It's creative interior decoration. Art can be hung anywhere, interior decoration completes the look of a room.

Say I went and bought an original print of a comic Jack Kirby did. Brilliant as he may have been, I wouldn't hang it on the wall and call it artwork. Even for the insane amount of money I paid for it. It IS Art, but it's a specialized FORM of art.

And brilliant as Kirby's work is, how does it compare to something like Michelangelo's "David"? How does one of those paint-splatter images compare? How does one of the stool-glued-to-the-ceiling images compare?

You look at something like "David" and you say "Wow. My god. That's a profound piece of work." You look at the blotchy paint smear picture and you think "Eh...pretty colors". There's a difference.

But to some people, pretty colors are the cat's meow. To some people, Jack Kirby's work is the best. I personally don't dig a lot of art. I appreciate the craftsmanship it took some artists to create their images, but to me the subject matter has always been more important. That's why I'll always prefer the Escher-style pics or Dali's paintings, that's why I'll always think well-hewn statues like "David" and a well-drawn, emotive comic image are more profound than a picture of a bunch of flowers.